Why did Baltic Sea civilization never become a big deal like Mediterranean Sea civilization?

Why did Baltic Sea civilization never become a big deal like Mediterranean Sea civilization?

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>civilization
Doesn't that imply the ability to build cities?

you can cross it like in a day

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Low-Level food production.

then how come the southern EVROPAN countries are so fucking shite in comparison to northern europe?

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just a banter bro

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But it did? The Baltic sea basin played a pretty important role in European politics from the dark ages until the early modern period. It just didnt spawn a Roman-tier empire because post-Roman civilization had already entrenched itself throughout Europe.

As for why it did not happen sooner, it was too far north. The climate and vegetation wasn't suitable for agriculture outright, it took thousands of years for the population and amount of cultivated land to slowly reach the levels required to sustain large civilized societies. Aka the same reason why Rome and Greece only became civilized many thousands of years after agriculture was invented (which was like 10000BC, btw). What most of you zoomer fucks don't appreciate is the fact that exponential growth curves are very flat for a very long time before you hit the sort of development paces seen in the 19th, 20th and 21st centuries. Civilization isn't built in a single generation, it is the product of many, many generations of incremental progress. Technology wasn't always doubling in potential every decade or so.

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That's a good thing. Maritime travel was much faster than overland travel for most of history. What a sea like the Baltic or Mediterranean does is essentially act like a highway or rail network, facilitating logistical ties between otherwise distant areas. That way some places can specialize and subsist on trade, which boosts surpluses of all kinds of non-edible things immensely.

The Baltic is a pretty good size, it's just located in a place that was still very sparsely populated 3000 years ago.

Because the Mediterranean has fertile land as well as easy access to Asia from Syria. Baltic sea and Scandinavia land is cold and sparsely populated

bro tier

Hansa was a thing, you know.

Mainly the problem was sparse population and Novgorod getting rekt. Russia wasn't as much of a trade partner and certainly not as likely to give access to external merchants. Rigid state control doesn't stimulate trade ventures. Without N. the only population centers were Germany and Poland, with G. not really needing anything from the basin besides nonsense like furs and Poland spamming grain exports beyond the Danish straits and actually doing business with the Dutch over anyone in the Baltic.

Not enough actors, not enough items. Compare this situation to Mediterranean sea, even in ancient times, where you have the whole Middle East, politically united in one empire or another (streamlined trade), Egypt, Greece, Italy etc. Different regional goods, rudiments of Silk Road, large manufacturing base in more than one area.

because they were our slaves and slaves never do great things

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rammed you with a fucking tree

shut up or i tell Ober G

Tell him and find his replacement

It is cold. Also dark.

because Sparta

>The climate and vegetation wasn't suitable for agriculture outright
Actually during the bronze age when the agriculture started spreading here the climate was pretty nice

>What is St. Petersburg

it was too cold and also dark

Vyborg was Finnish though right until 20th century

because they're dumb snowniggers

Russian oppression

>big deal like Mediterranean Sea civilization
Explain med sea civilization without greek and romans, just trading shit around.

The hanseatic league did trade from russia to scandi and all baltic trading around materials furs and food.

too few people, hansa was good as it was tho

Climate i guess. Less farms, less food, less population; more snow and cold so less communications between populations.

Not close big trade routes to other continents (Asia, Africa), etc

>without greek and romans
That's what all mattered.

Phoenicias (Cartagine included) were dumbs

Cold as fuck. Especially the eastern half, Southern Sweden and Denmark are warmer than Belarus and Lithuania. Cold seasons>low population density>no need nor possibility to build cities until High Middle Ages.
Scandinavia had this trick of suddenly going full Russia once in several years, which made locals choose between starving to death and sailing the fuck away, hence you have at least two waves of massive population outflow - the Germanics and later the Viking migrations. Again, hard to build a city based civilization when your pops migrate randomly away when winter kicks them in the balls.
Also bad soil. The Baltic states are mostly sand left over from several glacial waves, with soil level relatively thin and infertile, while in the Scandinavia you have many hills and the very Scandinavian mountains hampering agriculture.

It is like asking why the Japanese Islands produced its own civ, however China influenced, while Sakhalin or Kamchatka or the Kurils were still hunter-gatherers until mid-XIX century (early XVIII century in case of extremely violent conquest of Kamchatka by the Cossacks). Shit's cold as fuck.

>The Baltic states are mostly sand left over from several glacial waves, with soil level relatively thin and infertile
This. Whatever land isn't covered in swamplands is covered in sandy pine forests

autism, low population, long winter

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