What's the deal with Southern Italy?

>The italian regions with more non italian citizens / non italian speakers are the most prosperous with higher income and lower unemployment.
That's an effect, not a cause. Foreigners flock to the richer areas

Nope, i've met many terroni, and they were all good people except neapolitans.

I like calabrians, they are poor but nice

Why not just admit that non italians are superior?

Because it would be untrue

>it's a region with great architecture, great food, great weather
True.
>traditional and nice with a cool sense of humor
Also true.
>hard-working
Uhhh...
>Why are they often referred to in derogatory terms like "terroni"
Regional banter culture when it comes to Italians. Other countries mostly form their opinions on secondhand experience.

So weird seeing this controversy about Italians on Jow Forums

In the US we don't have stereotypes or discrimination of Italians, we just think they're obnoxious but otherwise normal people. The only people who promote italian stereotypes are italian-americans who think it's funny.

How so? Tyrol is clearly the italian region with the highest living standards and there are barely any italians in it.

Regional hatred is well ingrained in Italian culture

They're poor because 99% of their industry was destroyed by the North during the unification wars. Which was a war of conquest by the North, no one actually wanted to be a part of that shit state.

>In the US we don't have stereotypes or discrimination of Italians,
now but we did well into the 1970s.

>I'm American and my opinion is: BLA BLA BLA BLA

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kek even more than regional. Take Toscana for example all the cities hate each other

>They're poor because 99% of their industry was destroyed by the North during the unification wars.
Nice bullshit you got there. Outside of Naples the kingdom of the Two Sicilies was literally Africa-tier. The only reason why they had more monetary reserves was simply because in Piedmont the king actually invested on railways and infrastructures in general, whereas down in the South the king didn't really bother.

t.polentone. You people acted like animals but I imagine you want to brush your brutalization of the South under the rug.

Kek and lets not start with the war between North Rome and South Rome

>muh bell tower

yep, it's real everywhere

t. 1/64th terrone

That's true but man, that was 50 years ago.
Today nobody gives a shit.

Daily reminder.

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>we just think they're obnoxious

rich

>Piedmont the king actually invested on railways and infrastructures
ha. Kingdom of Two Siclicies was into all sorts of manufacturing, including high end stuff like shipbulding, before the Poletone army came and destroyed it all. From there, it received scant investment from the North until after WWII. Which is why so many came here, among other reasons.

>great architecture
>great food
>great weather
>people are hard-working, traditional and with a cool
sense of humor

Are you talking about Tuscany?

stai zitto porco

>lets not start with the war between North Rome and South Rome
This is literally a modern meme, far from being historical like the Tuscan rivalries or the north-south division in Dublin, and it hardly makes sense 2bh.

You're deluded m8, and I'm not even from the north.

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>great food
>great weather
>traditional
>cool sense of humor
He isn't.

I had a sicilian friend in my childhood whose parents where cousins. He was a bit retarded btw

The northern Italians are instead "polentoni", It comes from "maiser", a derogatory term that Swiss and German gave to the emigrants of Northern Italy who always fed polenta

>there are barely any italians in it.
Bolzano has an Italian majority

I heard they were poor bumpkins.

>if we finish here they'll send more packages
he was right though

Highest gdp capita of the whole country at 150% of the national average.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Italian_regions_by_GDP

Regions with most italians like the southern ones earn 60% the average meanwhile multiethnic lombardy clock at 132%.

Nationalism/racism is a meme for poor people.

youtube.com/watch?v=vEtp8qpvcec

I ask the same but about Sardinia

t.errone

>I like calabrians, they are poor but nice

they are brown manlets who need to be purged

youtube.com/watch?v=axnSO2l1QpM

>purged
You already tried during the unification wars but failed. How many did you kill and displace in yourimperialistic war of aggression? Hopefully North italy will be overrun soon.

The only thing more annoying than a terrone is an American mutt larping as one

a pulenta whining about it is even worse trust me

>b-but teroni are just bad I don't need to discuss this

at least he's bringing up fair points you brainlet

What data do you prefer? The tax evasion one, SAT scores, or maybe the welfare leeches one?

calmati e rifletti sulla saggezza del Professore

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I'm not even strictly terrone but 1) the economic centre of Italy is in the north and it's been placed there deliberately, so you can't really blame terroni for this too or for being poorer; 2) south italy did have a more functioning economy before unification so it's worth asking why things got worse 3) >muh SAT scores, fuck off wanker; 4) it's a complex issue and if you don't want to discuss it fuck off back to /ita/ instead of crying like a bitch

>the economic centre of Italy is in the north and it's been placed there deliberately, so you can't really blame terroni for this too or for being poorer
>placed there deliberately
>south italy did have a more functioning economy before unification so it's worth asking why things got worse
It wasn't, it was a backward agrarian state much like pre-revolution Russia. Only the king was rich. See >muh SAT scores, fuck off wanker
>high levels of education aren't economically relevant

The south could be improved by replacing a portion of the native italians with more competitive foreigners with culture of work like we did in the north.

since when Italy has SAT you absolute mongoloid?

>it was a backward agrarian state
true and it worked as such, wealth has since then been drained and the effects of this are showing, other countries had the opportunity to redistribute their old feudal wealth evenly and this didn't happen in the south of Italy, it's just a fact, no industry was ever developed and the capitals fled to the benefit of other areas, simple as that.
inb4 muh gold memes, go back to facebook.

>since when Italy has SAT you absolute mongoloid?
Our national equivalent. Invalsi
>true and it worked as such, wealth has since then been drained and the effects of this are showing, other countries had the opportunity to redistribute their old feudal wealth evenly and this didn't happen in the south of Italy, it's just a fact, no industry was ever developed and the capitals fled to the benefit of other areas, simple as that.
Literally did all by themselves, it wasn't the north

>it wasn't the north
literal bullshit, the development of the industrial triangle in the north was the first voice in the agenda of the entirety of the post-unification governments.

>b-but it's their fault they decided to emigrate
yeah nah it doesn't work like that.

>literal bullshit, the development of the industrial triangle in the north was the first voice in the agenda of the entirety of the post-unification governments.
The North was already developed. The south decided to focus on being a mainly agricultural area and refuse to reform

>The south decided
another literal bullshit statement, the south didn't decide shit.

> refuse to reform
in what what though?

You mean the leadership of the South (landowners, mostly) wasn't adamant in refusing any kind of industrialist reform?

Actual course of history.
>Two Sicilies is a feudal monarchy where nobles have an iron grip on their lands, any attempt by the king to reduce their power was met with fierce and successful resistance.
>Naples, the capital, gets developed to Hell and bakc because that's about the only place the king controlled, all other nobles couldn't concieve the idea that land could be anything but profitable forever.
>A few peopel with money and business sense pen up small textile and glass factories in Puglia, basically all the industry in Two Sicilies that didnt rely on artisans.
>Garibaldi fucks shit up, Two Sicilies gets annexed.
>Economics minister of the Kingdom of Italy is basically a mongoloid, opens up the Italian market to way better and cheaper goods from outside, almost kills the entirety of the North's industrial base and annihilates the Pugliese factories.

Land remains the most stable investment, financial economy aside. I’d rather own land than stocks or even gold.

Perfectly reasonable if you're paid per hour

Most landowners in the south didn't cultivate the land they owned and let it turn into wilderness, then got cucked by more efficient farmers in the North

No the North wasn't developed in most parts and all investment went to the North to build it up while the South got jackshit and the government neglected all the industry and development their as well.

Just look at this map

good post

on purer measures of intelligence, such as Raven’s Progressive Matrices, there is no significant difference between North and South children.

>Most landowners in the south didn't cultivate the land they owned and let it turn into wildernes
insane troll logic. How do you think they ate?

what incentive was put in place to develop industries?

>ah yes mr. old Count, build a massive airplane industry in the middle of your field where there is no rail or road to trasport your goods, surely this will be profitable.

as a matter of fact the South was abandoned and no solid infrastructure was built after unification, because that money had to go to the actual hearth of the economy in the north.
you can try to blame the landowners for opposing reform but the national policy has never EVER been focused on doing something useful for the South and instead always handed out money to the north before.

>b-but cassa del mezzogiorno
after WW2 when everything was already fucked beyond repair

Never said they're dumber. They may score significantly less than the rest of Italy in all standardised tests for other reasons

I've seen for economic series that demonstrate that before the unification the North-South gap existed, but wasn't nearly as wide.

They authors, still, were unable to prove a direct causation, and that it wouldn't have happened anyway. I think a similar phenomenon would have ended up occurring anyway even without unification, just less pronounced and probably later in the peninsula's history.

You don't have to be efficient if you don't care about your farmers starving

t. Camillo Benso

>after WW2 when everything was already fucked beyond repair
The most bombed areas were all in the North, since the South was liberated earlier. I don't think WW2 damage is responsible for the South's backwardness

the fuck are you on about, I'm saying that infrastructure in the South got a boost only after WW2, after 80 years of effective draining of the wealth and non existent development policies directed to the south

>if you don't care about your farmers starving
If you honestly think that's how people thought you are clearly indoctrinated with base level propaganda.

Maybe because half the South was actively hostile against the central government?

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>let me tell you about your country
Do you think the average landowner cared about what were basically his slaves? They were just serfs

>half the south
source?

>was actively hostile against the central government?
so that means it's solely their fault? it's your job to try to unify the people of the country through fair and equal treatment and the development of equal opportunities.
you fail to understand that countries even more divided than Italy managed to create a real sense of national identity.
but even that would be too meta to explain what happened, basically the entirety of the south was left to their own means, with brigands and landowners personal "militias" still existing on the territory way after unification, the central government failed to establish control in those areas and since 1) it didn't actually keep the order and 2) focused on developing other, far away regions, obviously people never came to love the central government.

this weird notion that people will keep believing the same exact thing over generations just because it's a widespread belief is honestly retarded. people didn't trust the government because there was no government, how dumb do you have to be to try and shift all the blame on them?

asshurt shitalians desperate for a scapegoat

it's your job as the central government I mean^

>source?
What is brigantaggio?

>more wining
Yeah, it's always the North's fault for everything. Maybe the South should just leave and be free from the oppressive yoke of the tyrannical North

the opposite coin of the whining is the North acting like mr. Self Made Big Dick when they benefited immensely from the unification at the expenses of the South.

I'm the first to admit the South has its fair share of autoctonous problems but trying to play down the effect of one hundred and fifty years of severely skewed and flawed politics is absolutely fucking pathetic.

>the opposite coin of the whining is the North acting like mr. Self Made Big Dick when they benefited immensely from the unification at the expenses of the South.
Since a lot of my money ends up wasted in the black hole known as the South, and so it happens for the money of my family and my whole community I believe I already repaid that debt if ever there was one

They are non white terroni.

sure buddy, the North has never stolen one single cent and you're all gud bois.
let's instead try to mention all the northern enterpreneurs that have made big money collaborating with the various mafias by perpetuating the disgustingly corrupt real estate system in Padania.
or the blatant corruption at every level of society that existed during the reign of the DC in the post war years, the P2 and all their tangentopoli friends were pretty fucking present in the in the north as far as I rememeber.
let's bring up the massive tax evasion by companies in the North.

you're just as scum as everyone else man, or alternatively you and you're family are just about the same as the families of southerners who moved to the north to break their backs in the big industries and build a life there since the south was forgotten.

too easy to say "yeah go on leave Italy" now that you have already benefited from this.

>more whining, again
That's why the South will forever remain a shithole

nice argument mate, go on make your family proud and weasel out of this discussion like the absolute dumbfuck you are.

Everyone like recycling dirty money, do you even realize the profit margins?

sure but let's blame evasion on terroni as always ;)

I'm just tired of hearing the >muh gold argument over and over again while you receive billions every year and just waste or steal them
Also some entrepreneurs or politicians may be corrupt in the North, in the South the entire population is corrupt. That's the problem

calling a mutt anyone who says the truth just because you can't handle it

you have padrino and sopranos movies only thanks to terroni :3
youtube.com/watch?v=cbbMIg-Aw8E

it's not the muh gold argument, I talked about other stuff and if you're too much of a mongoloid to answer to those it's on you.

>just waste or steal them
yeah they do, more than the north (which still does) but my argument is that fundamentally the central state experiment has failed in Italy and the south of the short end of the stick in the end, having been effectively turned into a non competitive wasteland where the only really profitable opportunity is emigrating.
conversely, the North is rich because of politics that always favored its development and not because your inbred family is so good and cool.

>in the South the entire population is corrupt.
nah it's your typical victim-card playing polentino bullshit.

The irony of this was suppose to be that both Italian Americans and Amerindians were screwed by the Judeo-Anglo elite but by pitting the groups against each other they deflect criticism from themselves.

the real difference between Northern italy and Southern Italy is the fact that the northeners are the butthurt ones and the Southerners are the nicer ones dealing with the shame of having a bad name for anything they aren't responsible of

>more than the north (which still does)
It our money, I would prefer to burn them but here we are
>conversely, the North is rich because of politics that always favored its development and not because your inbred family is so good and cool.
I don't remember getting free billions out of the sky, maybe we could change that and see how it goes? Btw some regions in the North were as poor as Sicily by the end of the war, and still here we are. You literally get more money than Poland (which was a communist shithole since 30 years ago), stop playing the victim and stop being a useless leech
>nah it's your typical victim-card playing polentino bullshit.
*bows down at the funeral of a mafia boss*