I just got ripped off by a web design client. I was promised 50% commission on items i list on the webaite i build for them. Spent 15-18 hours last week building the site, they didnt let me list any items because the site "didnt look good" so they change yhe background color, list a bunch of items, then tell me they dont need me any more today. Im supposed to go by tomorrow to collect my compensation, as he said "what youre owed" and im expecting it to be 20-35 bucks. Thats not enough. Even if i worked minimum wage thatd be 150$ for the 15 hours... what should I do?
Ps i dont have a contract Pps im considering sueing if he doesnt give me at least 100 bucks. I gotta eat and did all that work and was lied to...
It's the principal. I did the work, i was promised a certain deal, and when it was time to let me start earning what I was promised (by listing the items) i was told I was no longer needed. I told them I rather have money for the site than the comission but was promised up and down that the commission would be better for everyone. He shouldn't be able to get away with blatant theft and dishonesty.
Nolan Butler
principle** not principal
Caleb Peterson
If I sue it's going to be more than 100 dolalrs. I'll take all the items they listed on the site, that i was promised I could list, and 50% the total. SO far it's about 2,000. so i'd be suing for 2000+
Aaron Morris
bump. anyone have experience with this before? any tips what I should say tomorrow to avoid litigation and just get paid and walk away?
Why the fuck would you make a deal like this without a contract, retard?
Nicholas Ross
YOu're right, I thought they were friends, apparently not. It was my first business experience striking the deal and I will never fall for that again.
Samuel Jones
I'm sure you can squeeze out $10/hour from them if they're not absolutely poor. Without a contract or evidence of your deal, you might as well sue thin air. If you're going to work as a freelancer and have clients, you HAVE to have some sort of legal agreement. Companies don't work on good faith, and nor should you
Austin Barnes
Sounds like you learned a valuable business lesson here.
Jayden Morris
yes, yes I did. YOu're probably right... I have a lawyer friend who said "if they don't pay you enough you can sue them". SMall claims in my state has no minimum, and a maximum of 10,000.
any tips on securing the payment tomorrow? The guy is an ethnic jew from the olden days (aramahic) and is going to resist if I tell him 30 bucks isn't enough... I was thinking of mentioning taxes, or something.. labor board?
Joseph Rogers
Lol you wanna sue over work you never signed a contract for... GL buddy.
John Morgan
>i dont have a contract Consider that a lesson learned. Write something down next time.
Brody Reyes
as for evidence, I was going to put the audio recorder on my phone when I go see him tomorrow, and mention the 50% commission thing and have him affirm it on the secret recording device.
by the way, thank you so much everyone for the constructive criticism and advice.
Christian Gonzalez
>The guy is an ethnic jew from the olden days (aramahic) Oh wow. You actually got Jewed. Yeah, you're never getting paid, because you didn't agree on terms for payment.
Cameron Moore
thats wht I said, but my lawyer friend suggested I sue... He would know better than some chumps from Jow Forums
Hudson Gomez
Yes, getting jewed isn't just a boogyman story ;) i thought everyone knew that.
And we did agree on terms, I would get 50% of items I list, and i was supposed to be listing the items on the site. but they went ahead and listed them and told me I was no longer needed. Im going to get this on the audio recorder when I go in tomrrow for my 'what i'm owed' according to him
>mention the 50% commission thing >promised 50% commission on items i list >they didnt let me list any items J-E-W-D, son. Your agreement has not been violated. You were promised a commission on what you listed. You didn't list anything. You can threaten a jew with their own agreement, especially when they delivered on what was promised.
Matthew Jenkins
Make sure you're in a one party recording state. Might not be legal to record them without their consent.
Ian Bell
I was just about to say this. I'm not a lawyer but you really got fucked out of that front.
Liam Myers
So you have a lawyer friend who says sue, then you ask biz?
Ian Brooks
fuck me. I charge $225 per hour. I would go on welfare rather than to work 15 hours for $150.
Christian Sanders
thought I made it clear above that he told me I could liste certain specific items, then when I asked to list them he said 'sites not ready yet' then changed the background colour without telling me and listed them himself. pretty sure this is legal in my state. my lawyer friend told me it would be good idea to record.
Dylan Young
well yeah of course, but I don't expect him to dole out 225 an hour for 15 hours of work. I'm just trying to get some money and walk away never to see him again... If he says no i'm thinking of going for a higher number, the stuff they listed on the site is worth over 5k, so if i 50% that it's about 2500... i think he'll say '150 vs 2500 i just pay the 150" i mean I don't know that's why I'm asking you geniuses.
yes he said sue if they don't pay up. I'm asking you guys specifically how to get him to pay up so I don't need to go through court system..
Daniel Evans
It doesn't matter what he told you, you still didn't get to do it, and there's absolutely nothing protecting your agreement. The labor is one thing, but this is commission you just didn't get to earn
Anthony Gray
There was no agreement on the labor. I worked for 100% comission... I don't know how that works legally, but he can't be not paying people for 15-18 hours of work..
Logan Sanchez
>I worked for 100% comission... ... and you didn't list anything to make a commission on, by your own admittance. Which was the deal. JEW'D, son. Learn your lesson. Every newbie in every industry that has ever worked with a jew learns this early. Be glad it only cost you a few hours work instead of signing up for a three-movie contract where you only get paid a percentage of the net. (But, goy.... that hollywood blockbuster still hasn't turned a profit... :^) )
Camden Morales
What is the website?
You could take it down. I'm assuming there was no design approval process?
Tell them you can make more changes, and some have already been comped. But they'll have to pay for support.
give us the website or have it shut down for legal reasons. you can definitely sue for compensation.
Ian Parker
>he can't be not paying people for 15-18 hours of work Yeah, I know, but that's the only basis you have, and that's what he's trying to pay you for. You should be focusing on getting paid for that, because the whole listing commission thing you didn't actually do, unfortunately
Anthony Long
>Invoice the client. The main thing here is money. You want to get paid. Send an invoice detailing the work you completed as a service. Then follow up in 30 days (and I do mean within 30 days, not 30 days-ish) with a late payment notice. After 90 days the client should have from you an invoice, a late payment notice and a second late payment notice.
The last notice should say that you are going to pursue legal recourse. You have now established for the courts that you have given both adequate and regular notice to the client to have them pay you for your service. Do this via hard copy, snail mail.
>File for small claims.
>See if you can reach a settlement.
>If a client pays you in part or in full, it is an affirmation of your contract. If, as in this case, you do not have a contract, the invoice you have sent them will serve as the contract. (Thus, your invoice should reflect terms of license, i.e.,: quantity, area distributed, time period, etc.) Their payment is an agreement to that contract.
sorry user, but this is the price of an education. get what you can, but don't expect much. just use a contract for any future jobs to protect your interests. the biz world is full of predators and shysters. good luck.
Samuel Johnson
>Ps i dont have a contract you're going to spend more to sue than you're worth, and you will lose because you have no contract.
Colton Taylor
get a real job. WIX is a real thing now. pajeets over seas get paid 10x less to make better looking websites.
Anthony Carter
is this the fucking twilight zone? same exact shit was posted weeks ago
Alexander Price
It's called "downpayment". Mention downpayment before you start work and observe the reaction; that's what the client will say after you finish work. "Are you crazy, you didn't do any work yet?" etc. Some people will go to great lengths to jew you for $20 bucks or whatever so you outjew them.
Cooper Foster
Get a deposit next time u mongoloid was this your first web deal?
