Mexico will go full Venezuela next years, would you receive Mexicans in your country?

>Mexico will go full Venezuela next years,
How?
>would you receive Mexicans in your country?
Yes, of course, you are always welcomed in here, as long you are not n*rco scum. It wouldn't be much of an improvement tbqh, but we can help you to get to Chile instead.

Maybe you can come to Europe instead and outcompete the Arabs.

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>. It wouldn't be much of an improvement tbqh, but we can help you to get to Chile instead.

Pffff fuck that, i would much rather stay un Perú than Chile, economy Is stable and growing, dope food and shit, chile has a better economy sure but it just looks so boring and soulless , also i preffer a spanish speaking country

Only the women aged 16-40 so I can BLEACH them.

gee ikr?
we should have voted for PRI

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Mexicans always wanted to be part of Spain, why do you think a third of them tolerated becoming a literal French colony? But you never cared.

Fuck off you are full

Yes
Come on in
t.Texas

Stop crying, grow up and follow Quetzalcoatl reborn into a new golden age.

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>Mexicans always wanted to be part of Spain

No we didnt , México Is probablly the hispanic American country that has distanced itself More from spain , a lot of south america Still has stronger comercial ties to it, we broke diplomatic relationships with spain during franco era, not even communist Cuba did that

I don’t know why you guys are freaking out about AMLO. Ask any economist why neoliberalism has failed to turn Mexico into another South Korea or Japan and they’ll always play stupid and shrug their shoulders when the real answer is that Mexico actually follows neoliberal economic policies and that shit won’t get you anywhere without protectionism in place to foster growth for homegrown companies. If AMLO can set some protectionist policies up while letting Mexico continue being the free trade powerhouse it is, Mexico could start seeing real change in a few years.

Doubtful. Mexico us going to start being able to export a lot more via the new Pacific trade deal, Mexico can still send cars, appliances, aerospace, medical, oil and other manufactured stuff to the US/Canada after this renegotiation deal and now the workers making those will make a little more money than before but not enough that those jobs will go back to the US.

North America is also effectively locking out a lot of Chinese competing goods too.

Curious why Mexican right wingerd think AMLO will wreck the economy. Mexico real wages actually decreased under the previous PRI leadership and inequality and insecurity grew under the preceding PAN administrations.

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That's because you were run by nazis during the Franco era when you were at your most independent.

CHI

And?

CA

user knows what's up. Mexico actually is starting to build a competent aerospace industry and I know VW and Hyundai-Kia have both considered creating a Mexico based automotive brand to sell cheapo cars in Latin America like what GM did with Baojun in China.

Mexico already designs and produces alot of the components and sub assemblies that go into American, Euro and Asian branded cars, electronics and appliances.

It wouldn't be that hard, it'd be a matter of organizing and fiancing domestic brands, but as AMLO is a bit socialist he could always create a few semi-private state directed companies that are geared to follow market trends like China has.

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>run by nazis

Fuck you talking about, only thing close to a nazi weve has was vasconcelos, he was never president, and wasnt active by the time of the Spanish civil war, Lázaro Cárdenas was preetty much a commie, hence why he Let the Spanish republicans exhile goverment to set in México and aided the commie side of the war with money and guns

the only thing wrong living in Peru and not other latin american country is that most poor people have tall houses that are not finished on the sides and sometimes on the front like this shit, also most livable places are on the coast so unless your district has good stream systems to supply parks (In lima at least)

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Kek, I have a Peruvian neighbor who has an ugly ass house here like this here. It's narrow but three stories. The front is all painted and stuccoed but the sides are just ugly raw cement.

He's not even poor, he's a service advisor for Mercedes. Is this done on purpose or something?

yes that's completely common in Peru. What happens is that they think their neighbour will construct their houses so that they brick sides get hidden.

We also tend to build so it's not uncommon to see houses of poor-near poor people having 3-4 stories.

Looks like any barrio in a small mexican city , can deal with it

not true

>Is this done on purpose or something?
Yes, sadly. I've heard that people do this kind of stuff in order to avoid taxes or another kind of payment towards private enterprises or the state.
No one does something about it but a very few districts across the country. This is probably the reason why I loathe a big majority of my countrymen.

I thought it was just for saving some bucks

Calla gil

Exactly because half of national socialism is SOCIALISM.

PRI was natsoc until NAFTA.

No
It is.

Spain has the biggest FDI in Brazil and Mexico pal. You are the biggest source of revenue of companies like BBVA

USA and Germany invest more.

I wouldn't be surpriser of Korea ends up at that level soon too.

I think Hyundai-Kia alone has poured $5 billion since last year.

>Mexico will go full Venezuela next years
Pinche derechairo eso quisieras

Yes

>protectionist bad
>globalism good
>foreigners should feel secure to do wathever they want except ask for asylum

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Asylum isn't an economic program bud

only the females

>Mexico will go full Venezuela next years

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the problem with latin american countries is that they are indeed PROTECTIONIST, not liberal. Brazil and Argentina are shit today because they starting protecting their economies to foreign asian industry like that, and now they are on the brink of collapse.

The point of open economies policies is that when someone invests in an industry of your poor country, YOU STEAL THEIR KNOW-HOW SO THAT YOU CAN START A COMPANY IN YOUR NATION LATER. That's how the asian tigers and China did it, and now they have the knowledge to not only copy stuff but invent knew things.

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>Mexican population in 1968 - 49 million
>Mexican population in 2018 - 130 million

Jeez people just stop breeding, no wonder you're poor.

>Shit archaical agricultural laws
>politicians linked to corruption and narcos
>Economy entirely dependent on their Neighbour
> Wildlife on the point of collapse
>Quasi-socialist government with a retard as president

not so fast

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Why does it seem like Mexico can only ever function and prosper under authoritarian socialism?

>You are the biggest source of revenue of companies like BBVA

Gee a 120 million people country makes for a good consumer market, what are the odds?

Maybe México Is one of the countries where spain invest the most, but spain Is not one of the countries that invests More in México, their investments in other countries might be smaller than the ones in México but represent a bigger percentage of direct foreign investment for those countries

>a breeding competition between Pablos and Ahmeds

You stop breeding, oh wait

Kek, go fuck a llama non OECD commodity exporter

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Nah, you didn't accept a few french and an austrian

Actually I think life in South American countries 50 years ago must have been better than now. They were way less populous so natural resources and agricultural goods they mostly export could bring them more money per capita, also they didn't suffer from overpopulation so probably they didn't have these disgusting favelas and high crime rates.

>México Is probablly the hispanic American country that has distanced itself More from spain
This is just plain stupid, Mexico was the only Lat Am country who supported Spain through its civil war and the first to make an FTA with the EU, now 2 decades old, seriously where the fuck do you get making uninformed claims like that?

>life in South American countries 50 years ago must have been better than now
Not for the average Joes, upper middle class Latin Americans probably did have it better than their counterparts in Europe tho

You realize what you are talking about right? Colombia is the size of the entire western Europe and has only 46Million people. They are not overpopulated at all.

The only one you might have a point in is Brazil and Ecuador, the rest are completely unpopulated in their mayority, and still have tons of natural resources.

Like i told you, all your exports are dependent on the US. One might thought that all that industry in Mexico would make it a developed country, but it's still in the brink of failure

>Shit archaical agricultural laws
Elaborate, this sounds interesting.

Most ethnic natives in Peru were living in a feudal system up until 1968

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your naive , romantic , common view of LA is cute.

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this was for

Mexico actually did it's best historically under the early rule of Porfirio Diaz, basically a proto fascist, but he went senile in his later years and delegated too much power to greedy landowning aristocrats and it ended up fucking over the average Mexican severely.

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But why? If Mexico was 3 times less populous it meant farmers had more land to grow crops, there were less people to feed so per capita they had more food and more money (if they sold it). There was also less severe competition for jobs.

Agricultural societies are always better off with smaller population. Just think what a shithole Uruguay would be if they had 3 times more people than now.

They kind of remind me of my little cousin.

>in the brink of failure
By what standard?

>exports are dependent on the US
That doesn't change the fact that amongst NICs we remain the sole manufacturing powerhouse outside of Asia, we can produce everything an advanced economy needs unlike countries like yours who rely on imports

He probably thinks most of our agriculture is still under the ejido regime

>farmers had more land

people didn't had any land. Thats why they had a mexican revolution.

>and still have tons of natural resources.

No matter how much resources you have you will always be better off if you divide income from export by less people.

Just imagine UAE has 100 million people (native citizens). Would they be all so rich like now? No, they would be probably Russia-tier.

Only an American could be so retarded as to say this with a straight face.

I'm talking about 1968 not 19th century.

>Mexico actually did it's best historically under the early rule of Porfirio Diaz
No, read John Turner, Mexico was only exporting commodities, literally South American tier

To put it simply they still have some laws that prefer either the big companies, rich landlords, or "cooperatives" to do agriculture rather than their average Juan to do subsistence farming.

In Peru for example since 1986 we have the scales turned, big companies would no longer hold the land and Criollo landlords as well, but the military of Velasco favoured cooperatives of natives that still fucked up the agriculture because of inner conflicts. In the Fujimori presidency that changed though, the laws were relaxed so that small farmers could farm their lands without being part of cooepratives and shit. There's some exceptions like the Maras cooperatives who are owned by 30 families of the Maras Salt mines, but most of it benefits the small and middle scale agriculture.

That's why most peruvians in the andes are getting richer and having a more rich life than virgin MIGRANTES that fled to the cities in the 80s.

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My dad was born in 68. His entire family moved the US when he was 8. Life was apparently really shitty in Mexico even then.

>But why?
Because Mexico was even more deeply unequal than it is today

Look man, do not oversimplify the issue as we are fucked because we reproduce, Mexico is undergoing demographic transition, same as Europe did, and the same as Europe it got a surplus from exporting its own poverty, why do you think there's plenty of Polish Americans?

Demographics are not about concious choices but circumstance

Developing countries can achieve high GDP per capita growth rates only if they can stop population growth.

The fastest developing countries in the world in the last 30 years were Poland and China. What do these countries have in common? They both have low birthrate.

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as there are plenty of countries with low birthrates that are going down.

China is going up because is selling their shit everywhere.

Educated Mexicans, who can invest here and improve our quality of life, Hate Mexico and everything on it. The people working on technology like Intel or aerospace don't want to open their own company, they plan to move to the first world. And complain that's so hard to invest here but do nothing because corruption n shiet, just shitpost, and then whine when people who are trying to survive actually do something drastic so that country change. And wonder why the poor and the ignorant are imposing their views.

Mexico's laws have nothing to do with, read our laws they're downright Sovietic. If you think small farmers can compete you're in for a disapointment, some few may thrive and prosper (if they expand) most are doomed for eventual failure.

Seriously Perú we're the world's biggest producers of organic agriculture and products like blackberries and avocadoes, we've gone into producing value added crops rather than subsistence staples, if you think you can compete on international markets with every cholo having his own farm you're in for a disapointment.

Do you want to say Mexicans dont move to the US nowadays?

Poland was third world tier poor up to the 1990s because we had high birthrate. Poland's population had doubled between 1945 - 1990 so no wonder we were poor. But since we already stopped our population growth things have only
got better.

And I don't get how you were more unequal in 1968 if it was long after the Mexican revolution and you had a socialist-leaning government.

>Educated Mexicans, who can invest here and improve our quality of life, Hate Mexico and everything on it.
No, dumb fuck malinchistas like you do, I know plenty of well educated Mexicans opening shop here and looking to improve their country.

>with low birthrates that are going down.

Because of external factors like wars (Ukraine), international sanctions (Russia) etc. But if they had high population growth it would be only worse, they would be as poor as Africa.

Russia exports oil and divides income between 140 million people. How poor they would be if they had to divide the same income between 300 million?

>That doesn't change the fact that amongst NICs we remain the sole manufacturing powerhouse outside of Asia, we can produce everything an advanced economy needs unlike countries like yours who rely on imports

What's fucked is Mexico has all this capacity yet hasn't used this position to form any large domestic industrial firms like Asian nations have.

Mexico could 100% already have it's own companies manufacturing cars and phones at parity with international brands.

Half of the shit in North American BMWs and Samsung stuff is subcontracted out to Mexican suppliers already.

I don't see why there isn't aren't big Mexican equivalents to Hyundai or Lenovo already.

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AMLO will make Mexico tolerable again:

>national mass transit network
>welfare, public hospitals and libraries outside of DF
>clean nuclear energy
>a southern wall
>yanquis removed
>cheap, subsidized diesel for everybody

What's not to enjoy?

You as a Pole don't get it how a left leaning regime can lead to inequality? Which brings me to the point of you don't think political changes in your country in the 1990's had anything to do?

We don't all get EU gibs, still Mexico is currently China-Russia tier, it's not like we were ever a banana republic like some countries to the south of us

>some laws that prefer either the big companies, rich landlords, or "cooperatives" to do agriculture rather than their average Juan to do subsistence farming.
How do Mexican cooperatives work? Do these function the same way that Peruvian cooperatives used to?
Also, kek. You reminded me of how shit cooperatives were in Velasco's government.

Income is not a static thing. Actually one of the things that is boosting china is that they are getting rural people to work in the industry and services, thus they are adding more income.

Actually low birth rates is a problem for countries like japan or germany that are getting old.

>You as a Pole don't get it how a left leaning regime can lead to inequality

No. As long as we had the communist government we didn't have almost any inequality. Still eastern European countries have relatively low inequality, except for Russia (but that's because of their oil magnates), you can check the Gini Index.

Just in communism everyone was equally poor. But the reason of this poverty was also growing population.

We will shoot every Spic that crosses the border.

>I don't see why there isn't aren't big Mexican equivalents to Hyundai or Lenovo already.
It's not about who own the brands, it's not like the American market is all that receptive to us right now. Still, take a look at who profits from the bread that you eat. Slow and steady wins the race.

Do we even have a choice?

>I don't see why there isn't aren't big Mexican equivalents to Hyundai or Lenovo already.

because our countries don't own the technology. We can assemble shit, but we don't create shit.

>Actually low birth rates is a problem for countries like japan or germany that are getting old

Japan and Germany are highly advanced countries and they need workforce. South American countries are underdeveloped, struggle with high unemployment and most of them are dependent on agricultural export so growing population is the last thing they need.

>in communism everyone was equally poor
You actually believe this?

We do R&D Colombia, don't make asumptions other countries work like yours
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_mexico#Engineering_and_Design

Mexico is not protectionist lol
It’s got more free trade deals than any other country on earth and hosts hundreds of companies from all over the globe. Honda, Toyota, Mazda, Ford, Chrysler, VW, and more have car factories in Mexico, but there isn’t a single serious domestic car company in the country.

show me the mexican samsung. I'll buy a big tv from you guys.

Yes, because my uncle was a communist politician and a representative in the parliament and all his wealth he got from the state was Fiat 125 (that was already an outdated car in the late 1980s).

Believe me, commies in commie countries lived modest lives, except for crazy dictators like Ceaucescu and Tito. But these were exceptions.

>there isn’t a single serious domestic car company
Why invest on a dying market like India has done buying British brands? We'll all have to move away from combustion engines sooner rather than later.