Why do Iranians look like this? They were described as fair skinned and blonde haired in ancient times, what happened?

Iranic is a language group.

Iran is a country.

The Alans lived on the Pontic Steppe, far outside the modern range of Iranic languages today.

Brainlet.

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But the man in your picture lives there?

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ossetians are the descendants of alans and they are genetically half georgian today but keep the language

And Ossetians are white & based.
I don't think this is a coincidence, lads. All Indo-Europeans were fair skinned and blonde haired, it has been proved over and over. Iranians became what they are today through racemixing.

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they look exactly like balkanians

Yep, thought the same
They look like Southern Euros, South Slav/Greek/Italian (especially the men, the women look more Slavic)

>The Tarim mummies are a series of mummies discovered in the Tarim Basin in present-day Xinjiang, China, which date from 1800 BCE to the first centuries BCE.[1][2] The mummies, particularly the early ones, are frequently associated with the presence of the Indo-European Tocharian languages in the Tarim Basin. Victor H. Mair's team concluded that the mummies are Caucasoid, likely speakers of Indo-European languages such as the Tocharians.
It should be pointed out that the Tocharians weren't the only IE tribes inhabiting the area around the Tarim Basin. Iranian tribes like the Yuezhi and the Wusun were also there, meaning that these mummies prove yet again that pure Iranians were exactly what is described in the OP.

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>Blonde haired
The earliest of Indo-Europeans were brown and black haired. The following generations got blonde hair and blue eyes from Yamna BVLLS fucking Scandinavian hunter-gatherer femoids. The characteristic height and well built body is something that Indo-Europeans get from the earliest generations of Indo-Europeans. The new fair haired and eyed wave seems to have not quite reached as far as Iran and South Asia, but they did kind of wander around as nomads for the rest of their history in southern Central Asia.

Nope, the early I-E migrants to Iran and India were fair haired and eyed in the first place, the subsequent waves however, were, but those later waves never really settled down.

Why was every blonde in the antiqutiy? What happened? Was it the Great Blackening that turned me into a shitskin med? pls i'm scared

No, it was your Moroccan ancestors

but we were nords before tho, right?

Pretty much, they looked like armenians.

Resesive traits can be more prominent in isolated groups.

which utter retard made this map? Extremely exaggerating

300 BCE

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What does it mean then? My interpretation is that I descend from the useless subhumans natives that inhabited the lands, and every notable conquering people and civs in antiquity (roman,greeks,persians etc) were actually nordic-lite, accurate?

2018

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30 CE

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Si sos un negro

you need to make difference between Iranians/Iranic people and Persians
this in your picture is a Persian , all persians are iranians but not all iranians are persians
Persians represent less than 30% of Iranic people

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>The earliest of Indo-Europeans were brown and black haired.
fake news. They had blond and red hair. Just not as a majority. Kind of like today.

das rite we wuz romans n shieet

How do I benefit from this? There must be some advanges. Can I call my new brethren niggers for instance?

He means the people that invaded from Yamnaya.

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You can ask for reparations for all the evil whitey has done

sheeeeeeit i'm liking it already

>noses already doing that bending thing
I don't get what you folk are arguing about.

White in:
America
Brazil
Argentina
Italy
Spain
Portugal

Albino in:
Greece
Mexico
Colombia
Albania

romans werent nordic like though, maybe parts with gauls and germanics but otherwise they were just Mediterranean

>bl0x ur oath
AYO WHERE DA WHG WYMYN AT

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looks ukrainian

some roman and greek busts depicting nobility and heroes look nordic-lite, while popular art depicting plebs and merchants such as those found on greek vases and whatnot look much browner

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He is Pontic after all!

the famous pompeii fresco in comparison. Personally I suscribe to the theory that the elites were of different stock and subjugated the natives

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Cherrypicked

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Why do french look like this? They were described as fair skinned and blonde haired in ancient times, what happened?

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looks Dinaric (maybe with some smaller Amrenoid)
He also looks very Yugoslavic

He doesn't look particularly like a Scandinavian Hunter-Gatherer though. Sure he must have had a certain amount of WHG admixture, but "Nordic" implies SHG admixture. Most Indo-Europeans/Yamna related people wiho mixed with SHGs more or less tended to stay in northern parts of Europe and were the ancestors of the Germanic and Balto-Slavic peoples.

BTW, the reddish-hair was present among non-SHG WHGs,

>all Iranians were Alans

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>Elbaz was born in Paris, France, to a Jewish family from Morocco.
Here's your answer.

So as half of french people?

Now show the results of the hair and eye colour. The hair has a small chance of being blonde since Yamna had some ANE admixture, but their eyes were almost certainly all non-blue.

M8, thats from an era well before Armenoids existed, he is the ancestor and/or a very close relative of the Indo-European people who expanded into Europe. Though as the swedanon pointed out, there are phenotypical variations in facial structure among the Yamna.

They evolved. There's no point to being an albino blonde, its a genetic defect. blondes are the subhumans

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Why do french look like this? They were described as fair skinned and blonde haired in ancient times, what happened?

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Well I'm a brainlet and don't know the specific groups and ancient populations, I use nordic as a catchall term for northern european desu. What I meant is that on average roman nobility seem to belong more in Northern europe than south, they have a faint anglo look for me

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>That JUSTED hairstyle
Also, his father is Algerian and his mother i French.

Now I do remember some user posting some info about ancient Gaul women being absolute whores, but I used to think that it was just an exaggeration or something. But seeing as how french girls fuck just about everything that moves, I am tempted to believe the user. Must be an abundance of f*Rmoid genes from ENF scum.

He doesn't look Arab, and he has classical Sassanian phenotypes.

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Okay, this is pretty based.

>Northern Europe.

Western Europe would be a much more correct description lad. Since the old WHGs of western Europe seemed to have had the light brown and red coloured hair, while the SHGs had blonde hair.

Nordic is a very specific, and in my eyes, a sacred term, do not confuse the spawn of Yamna BVLLS and SHG women with WHG orcs.

Well yeah, but Sassanids were the last pre-Islamic Iranian dynasty and they had already been fucking middle and near easterners for well over a thousand years actively and for over 2000 years through tribal contact.

What do you think of neolithic farmers from Anatolia? They probably make most of southern europe ancestry, don't they?

The fucking started occurring around 1700 BCE between brown Neolithic Iranians of BMAC culture and White Sintashta Indo-Iranian peoples. They hybridized around 1700 BCE. Achaemenid empire emerged around 550 BCE.

Persians were like a three way mixture of Iranian Chalcolithics, which probably resembled Mesoptamians, White Sintashta, and Neolithic Iranians (which resembled Makrani people).

They do indeed, but I dislike some aspects of them such as the men caving over to the demands of their women hence the women being complete sluts and opening their legs immediately to the Yamna migrants and later to the mixed Germanic migrants. They were good at culture and all, but their matriarchal leanings lead to their downfall/muttification.

I wouldn't really call the first waves of Indo-Europeans "white". The next waves? Sure. The following waves never truly penetrated into the places inhabited by the mutt descendants of the first waves so they just hung around as example of "white Iranians" (idk why i am putting that in quotation marks since they were legitimately white and Iranian as well). Also, in your mutt configuration, you forgot the CHGs of the Caucasus (though their descendants in Iran are more so focused around North-western Iran).

All ethnogenesis, even among Europeans, begin with a process of mutting. The point is Iranian ethnogenesis stabilized around Sassanian and Achaemenid eras.

He's driving a taxi for like 20 years. Give him a break.

Yeah, but OP's point of lighter featured ancient Iranians still stands. The late Iranians were swarthy, but there were lighter Iranic people and even Iranians as well.

Even the lighter Iranians were mixed, which is my point.

>Yamna
I'm reading the wikipedia page and it seems these guy just fucked their way through everybody in yurop at the time, holy shit

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They got GREEKED

He get break in moscow forumdaily.com/en/zvezdu-taksi-sami-naseri-izbili-v-moskve-foto/

>The Alans (Latin: Alani) were an Iranian nomadic pastoral people of antiquity.
Nomadic people aren't in the place they used to be? Impossible!

Yamna culture was peak chad culture in the ancient world. Makes sense since all of their ancestors seemed to be chads as well since they descended only from the most alpha EHG, ANE and CHG bloodlines while the non alpha bloodlines of the aforementioned groups got trounced by the Yamna bulls. Then, the early Indo-Europeans fucked their way across Europe and Asia (central Asians and even Turkics started off with plenty of Indo-European male lineages). Heck a lot of former male populations in these places of Europe and Asia had their entire male lineages either wiped out or subjugated or partly both by the early Aryans. I mean there is a reason why Nords are looked up to by most, if not all non Nordic peoples, and that has something to do with the Nords having more early Indo-European/Aryan ancestry than any other group of people (on average).

Technically speaking, the Yaghnobis and Pamiri Tajiks tend to have about equal or even more levels of Steppe admixture.

True, but those are like very small populations. I was only thinking about major populations when I made that post. BTW, how are the Yaghnobis seen among the Iranic community? Are they cherished for their rich I-E heritage or are they chastised for not being mainstream?

From my experience, most Iranians don't really know about them, unlike me. The Yagnobi probably descend from Sogdians. Zarathustra was most likely either a Sogdian or Bactrian.
>rich I-E heritage
Aren't they Muslim? The only Zoroastrians are those in Yazd (~20,000 people) and the Parsi (~55,000 but it's dwindling fast). Also, the earliest Proto-Indo-Iranians probably weren't Zoroastrian, but they were Indo-Iranian polytheists, which Zarathustra opposed.

Yeah they are muslim now, but they are genetically/racially I-E.

The whole Vedic vs Zoroastrian thing seemed to be a political thing where both the sides engaged in the competition purely due to sub-tribal reasons. The way Zoroastrians demonized the Vedic subsection of deities is similar to how the Vedic people demonized Asuras later on.

>but they are genetically/racially I-E.
Again, no they are not. They have like 40-50% steppe admixture at most. The rest is Neolithic Iranian and some other marginal stuff. That's why they don't cluster with Norwegians at all.

I refuse to talk to you further until you cease the race-baiting bullshit and subtle Nordicist crap.

50% is still higher than a majority of Indo-Europeans today like South Asia, Mediterraneans, Western Euros. It is certainly not negligible. Even at 40% it is still likely equal to or close to the biggest non I-E specific components.
Also, is the neolithic Iran component supposed to be close to ENF or are they different? If they are different from the ENF, then are they closer to the ENF or the CHG? If they aren't close to either of these 2 groups, are they close to any other genetic cluster outside of themselves?

Neolithic Iranians tend to be close to Makrani and Brahui peoples. The Yaghnobi pretty much signify the union between Indo-Iranian steppe peoples and BMAC culture.

So they aren't close to the old Levantites or to the North-West Iranian CHG?

Those are more Chalcolithic Iranians. Those guys came more from the same substrate as Hurrians and other similar Mesoptamians.

Oops, never mind, just found a PCA that indicated the early Iranians being close to CHG. So, would it be safe to assume that the Zagros migrants to the IVC belonged to the same genetic group of people?

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This is not a good graph because it ignores Chacolithic Iranians.

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If you are interested in this stuff, just email Davidski from Eurogenes blog.

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So they are definitely closest to the CHG then. Now, considering that Yamna also had some unknown amount of CHG input, the I-E who got to Iran and India would be carrying CHG-related ancestry to a place which already had archaic CHG migrants. So I guess that most modern Iranian and Iranian-like populations would cluster pretty darn close to Georgians as well since they have a lot of CHG admixture.

2018

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Thank you for the information, I am not a geneticist or a genetics student (since I am much closer to the math side of STEM in my studies), but I have always been interested in molecular biology and population genetics.

If this stuff really interests you, then please email Davidski. I will give you what I learned from all this. There are three races of Iranian peoples:

1. Western Iranians: These guys have more Chalcolithic Iranian admixture. They have about 25% steppe. Kurds, Iranians from Tehran and some other places, Iranian Zoroastrians, and Persians all cluster with each other and descend from these guys. Ancient Persians were Western Iranians.

2. Eastern Iranians: These guys have more Neolithic Iranian admixture. They have 40-50% steppe admixture. Ancient Sogdians and Bactrians were Eastern Iranian. Pamiri Tajiks and Yaghnobi are descendants of them.

3. Northern Iranians: These were Scythians, Sarmatians, and Proto-Indo-Iranians and tended to be more steppe but with later marginal East Eurasian admixture. They probably resembled Eastern Europeans. A lot of Eastern Europeans do descend from these nomads.

I will do so, thank you.

Also, Medes were probably Eastern Iranian, but they settled in Iran around 800 BCE and became more Western Iranian over time. Western Iranian culture began with Medes.

Those are North Africans they have to be

the one on the right has blue lenses and has has surgery done on her nose+lips+cheekbones
wh*toid wannabe thot begone

>fake news
stfu fag

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