What do Jow Forums think about this man?

The British Raj would have ended in a Civil war in less then 20 years
end result would most be likely been balkanization

see point made here It would be Yugoslavia x100

>>was portrayed by Christopher Lee in a Biopic

This would probably cause controversy today.

What's also funny to think about is that several times south Asian actors have portrayed european Jews in films, such as in Schindler's List and The Great Gatsby

North Indians/Pakistani's have a ethnically ambiguous appearance

here is a pic of him in his Youth

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Smoking in a press conference

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holding a cigar

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Smoking a cigar

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What about the first three things is based?

BASED.

He helped us ship 50% of our kebabs without killing them off!

I'm just saying this triggers religious fundamentalists
that our founder did things that would be considered Unislamic

I am triggered by alcoholic, smoking, gambling degenerates. Also I don’t know that much about Jinnah but he probably mellowed out and “found religion” when he was older, just like most western degenerates.

The puppet of British Divide and Rule policy. Along with his imperial masters who wanted to weaken the united Hindu-Muslim front, he helped create the divide between religions that never really existed before.

The outcome is clear as day. A shit Muslim state that on a daily basis proves that Islam was a mistake and nations should not be built on its principle. And a shit regional "great" power that is a fraction of what it could be.

Europe rests easy knowing that a South Asian superpower was thus nullified by dividing the brown people instead of unifying them.

The best example of two-nation theory being a joke (besides every respectable scholar agreeing that it was) is that fact that Muslims in India enjoy far better standards of living that Muslims in Pakistan. Not being murdered by the Taliban is a huge plus point, apparently.

Never forget that India represented the only third option to the degeneracy of East and West during the Cold War. The Third World was a promise, nothing more.

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doesn't look like it

I guess he was just above superstitious bedouin such as yourself morally

>doesn't look like it
Source? Actually curious
>I guess he was just above superstitious bedouin such as yourself morally
You don’t need to be superstitious to know degeneracy is wrong.

Do you seriously that the new United Akhand Bharat India would not end up Balkanized

Listen I don't want to start conflict but Indians in General have this habit of blaming their counties problems on someone else
it was the British who were at fault,it was the communists,

This is coming from the country with cow vigilantes

He helped found Pookistan which is a big negative in my books

The division is a blessing for both India and Pakistan. There will never be another war between the two because of nukes. Sure, there's still conflict at the border, but it's better than having 50 Kashmirs throughout the country.

it would have been a blessing if there was complete population transfer.

with assblasted kebabs living in fear and Hindus always suspecious of kebabs going kaboom is never good.

>Listen I don't want to start conflict but Indians in General have this habit of blaming their counties problems on someone else

Nah i agree when it comes to our economy or our shit agriculture or our shit politics - we are entirely to blame. But our geopolitical problems today are entirely because of this stupid partition.

We cannot make SAARC a functioning bloc because of the conflict with Pakistan. We cannot reach Afghanistan or Iran for land-based trade because of Pakistan. During the Cold War, we could not connect with the Soviet Union in Tajikistan because of Pakistan-Occupied-Kashmir.

You have a good defence industry for your country's size. We have a large one that is still mostly shit. Between the two of us, we continue to buy Western/Russian/Chinese arms for the rest of our lives. If we were unified, we would see South Asia as an arms hub for the world.

So much wasted potential.

Muslim populations were more concentrated in the North. Besides, I think Muslims would have migrated to the Pakistan are eventually. We would have a few Muslim majority states (instead of zero) where Muslims would tend to immigrate to.

South India wouldn't have changed at all. It was not really affected by Partition. And South India is anyway the only developed part of India so wth

Doesn't mean Pakistan has one of the best geographical positions in the world?

> not having cow vigilantes

It just seems so fake. Those cows are living in squalor and no one does anything but if someone eats beef they get lynched. Seriously I just don't get it

>americans don't take care of their elders. i.e. they live in squalor
>let's kill american seniors

inb4, cows are not humans.

People are hypocrites? Why is this so hard to get?

Anny faggot who thinks India was better united is out of his minds. India is so much better with a separate Pakistan and Bangladesh. Shame that the remaining muslims did not head out with them.

Hey if we're being serious then fuck yeah. Cow vigilantes and everyone who supports them (30% of the population) are degenerates blinded by Hindu nationalist propaganda. I hope they all die in the water wars.

Indian Muslims are based. They risk their LIVES to eat beef.
Huge respect.

Secular united India was a very real concept until the British introduced partition. You're talking about a civilization that is thousands of years older and wiser than yours.

We don't need no partition between our people. But now, regrettably, we have one. And we have one in a situation where nuclear war seems inevitable. This present situation benefits none of us.

Imagine how it must feel leading the cow you bought back home while looking out for an ambush

>They risk their LIVES to eat beef.
I kek'd.

> Anonymous 11/13/18(Tue)11:25:27 No.97384739▶

Secular united India was a very real concept until the British introduced partition. You're talking about a civilization that is thousands of years older and wiser than yours.

We don't need no partition between our people. But now, regrettably, we have one. And we have one in a situation where nuclear war seems inevitable. This present situation benefits none of us.
This was the Indian subcontinent before the British

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we wouldnt need to have this debate if it wasnt for this traitor giving you independence

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>You're talking about a civilization that is thousands of years older and wiser than yours
>We don't need no partition between our people
This was the Indian subcontinent before the British
stop with the whole India is thousands of years old and should be united retardation

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Regional empires have always just been the foreplay before the sex of great indian empires.

Refer Maurya, Ashoka, Mughal and ofc British.
Unification always happens. And Inshallah it will happen again.

When that day comes, I will once again feast on the fine kebabs of Lahore.

You sound like an underage faggot. Secular India was never a thing, except maybe under Akbar's rule. Islam did not arrive here peacefully. It was the religion of foreign invaders who murdered, raped and pillaged here. After that, it was either Hindus living meekly under a Muslim ruler, or Muslims living meekly under a Hindu one. Fact is, Islam will always be associated with feelings of distrust and enmity here, because that's how things have been from the beginning.
Nehru was a fool who was out of touch with reality and thought that India could be some sort of socialist utopia with everyone just forgetting all that's ever happened in this country. The only way to have peace is by either banning religion altogether, or by turning the country into a police state.

Oh boy some good old fashioned bhakth propaganda. How does it feel to see Modi's empire of lies crumble further every day?

> Secular India was never a thing, except maybe under Akbar's rule

Funny, it seems to have been a thing even under Aurangzeb's rule. Where, you know, he made the Hindus pay a tax that the Muslims were also paying under a different name.
huffingtonpost.in/2018/08/13/historian-audrey-truschke-explains-why-the-hindu-right-is-terrified-of-having-a-meaningful-conversation-about-the-past_a_23500791/

> Islam did not arrive here peacefully

Cheruman Masjid was built here in 629 AD - while Muhammad was still alive. Centuries before the Mughals came in by horse.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheraman_Juma_Mosque

> Islam will always be associated with feelings of distrust and enmity here, because that's how things have been from the beginning.

No, that's just the outcome of Hindu and Muslim puppets swallowing colonizer rhetoric from the 1920s.

> Nehru was a fool who was out of touch with reality and thought that India could be some sort of socialist utopia

Funny how Bhakts use the exact same copy-pasted words to describe Nehru but can't find independent thought to critique his far-seeing policies. Every last one of our successful institutions was built by Nehru - including our nuclear program. Call that out of touch with reality much?

Mughals only really held the Northern part of the subcontinent they only expanded much later and even then had no real influence on it same with Maurya Empire

> only really held the Northern part of the subcontinent

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you're forgetting about the Buddhists and Zoroastrians
the area that is now Pakistan and Afghanistan were the Hub of Buddhism at one point in history

A Wikipedia Empire that shows its reach at its Greater Extent does not equal what its borders were most of the time
and even then do you not realize how rule was set at that time
there was no form of cultural and linguistic assimilation

cuck

>huffingtonpost
lmao nice source

>Cheruman Masjid was built here in 629 AD
Irrelevant. It did not impact South Asia as much as the invasions did.

>his far-seeing policies.
he couldn't even see that a high degree of freedom leads to problems when the majority of people are poor and uneducated. Fast forward 70 years and politics now is all about appeasement of the lowest common denominator, which is a huge burden on the economy.

the british raj was a mistake

He was a gujjew (just like gandhi). Never trust gujjews.

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@97385008
Thought people like this stayed put in reddit. What are they doing here?

>if my dick is tiny, at least my fictional """country""" is BIUUUUUG
well I hear you kiddo, but you know we should just unite the whole GLOBE into one empire or union, that would be YUUUUUUGE, right?
the actual functionality be damned
t. Deniggress Tyrone dr. phd. prof. emer.

>le BIG COUNTRY ydxdxdxddxdxddddx

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You literally proved the point of the article simply by not wanting to read it. Whats wrong, scared that history aays something different than tbe narrative you have?

>ate prok and drank alcohol
>founded a muslim nation
>married a parsi women
>forbade his daughter from marrying a parsi
>didn't knew urdu
>forced it down the throat of bengali, punjabi, sindhi, pashto speakers
>was shia
>said minorities will be able to live peacfully in Pakistan
Goddam Asshole

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Historian Audrey Truschke is the source, HP just summarized her argument. She's done the most far reaching study of Aurangzeb so far.

>@97385008
lurk more. I thought you @tagging cancers stayed put on Facebook

>far-seeing policies
he was just a man in the right place, anyone else would've modernized india too.

why did they accept him?

she didn't say anything about aurangzeb being secular, she basically just said he wasn't as bad as we thought and that we shouldn't judge him modern standards.

@ tagging here has always been common, maybe you need to lurk more.

> audrey truscke

enough internet for today.

>She's done the most far reaching study of Aurangzeb so far.
ghanta.. ever read about Jadunath Sarcar? He's the authority in Mughal history in India.