Americans have to deal with libertarians having reasonable amount of power in their country

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Just to be clear: I am not a libertarian myself.

libertarians would be the first to be hanged under darwinian laws, learn politics and human relations slavshit

you are only ok with this because you are brainwashed
non-americans aren't (except for the rats you send to our countries)

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Only "libertarian" in Congress is Rand Paul. But he's so shit at being a libertarian his father openly shits on him.

I don’t mind libertarians really. It’s republicans who are corporate controlled psychopaths. They don’t have any principles, except supporting bad ideas and ruining the budget and economy and environment.

>and then if we lower taxes we are actualyl raising taxes on poor people because people who pay a higher rate of taxes save a larger gross amount of money stop voiting against your economic interests rural and suburban retards.... oh and btw the mexicans do the jobs we don't want for less and i am a socialist and slavery is bad.... where was I? oh yeah stop voting against your economic interests. pay more taxes even though tou don't have socialzed heatlhcare or public transit in most of your cities... israel needs that foreign aid to bomb brown people....

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>Having an issue with libertarians because you were sold the lie that libertarians don't believe in using government to regulate corporations
Not even Anarcho capitalism believes this btw, 90% of libertarians from either the left or right wing believe in using the government to deny the development of monopolies and etc other cases where the private sector becomes tyrannical.

Those amoral, fedora thumping, Nietzche LARPing bootlickers that you're thinking of are neo-liberals. Not libertarians.

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There is no logical argument against libertarianism, any criticism can be easily refuted.

>Country of 360 million people in a recovering economy with man infrastructure rating similar to the 3rd world in different areas
>Having universal healthcare because socdems like to push the lie that you need government sponsored health insurance instead of just petitioning your employer and using the government to guarantee a fair coverage

We just lowered taxes so our private sector might recover why would we raise them again to offset aby benefit for the minor amounts of industry and oil production we have gained since 6 years ago?

>Thinking that Democrats and Republicans are any different
The Koch Brothers and Paul Sanger literally switched sides in the mid terms because they didn't like Trump's mildly isolationist foreign policy. Both parties are filled with neoliberal scum

>/v/
>trash americans because amusement tax
>Jow Forums
>trash americans because they want to pay less taxes

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Wish we had a libertarian-esque party here. I don't want to get rid of government services, just someone to fight the corner of "if you dont know for sure what the outcome of this will be, then why don't ye stay the fuck away, and stop trying to fix everything"
We are far too accepting nanny-state policies in this country.

Real life tends to be the best argument against radical ideologies like Socialism, Nationalism, Communism, Libertarianism, Fascism etc.
In terms of Libertarianism, its intent is to increase freedom but it does that by minimising the power of the very thing that allows normal people to affect change over their lives.

No, the Kochs didn’t switch sides, they just cut funding to a few candidates.

And the Kochs have shit opinions on energy and infrastructure anyway. And they’re going to keep having shit opinions on those things because they’re interested in selling more oil. And republicans will support any policy that involves America consuming more oil, because they’re the koch’s lapdogs.

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>libertarian criticizing other for support for israel
wew

seething mutt psyop

>the Kochs didn’t switch sides, they just cut funding to a few candidates
Then took those funds and used them to sponsor Democratic candidates in toss up states. Also
>Having an issue with the US consuming it's own domestically produced oil while it's gradually replaced with nuclear and other alternative options
OPEC a shit , anything that gets us away from Venezuela and Saudi Arabia is a good thing.

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the free marketeers can shoo

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this is at least your 5th thread about us today. give it a rest

>radical ideologies
>He says living under a democracy, a form for government that required violent international revolutions in order to form

>socialists support foreign aid to Israel

>commies
>supporting israeli settler colonialism
why do you pretend to know things

I pray to Keynes every day and thank him for the fact that libertardian scum have never gained any ground here

>Small government is bad for the poor
Yes because things like the war on drugs and all of our wonderful public housing projects have been so favoreable for them

based

Also the main reason why you can't afford a house in Canada anynore but have fun being a Chinese Nanny State Colony like Australia lmao

>reality will adhere to my a priori reasoning

Libertarianism is 100% a posteriori

Fair point, however I'm not a believer in the "eternal revolution". Even if you were right, and liberal democracies are only able to form after violent revolutions, the violence of my country, Europe, and even the entire world were a means to an end, not an end in and of itself. Simply put, these radical ideologies don't last.

based

the war on drugs was started by republicans
libertarians don't even like small governments themselves since they all support banning abortion
that last part will never not be hypocritical no matter how many explanations you shit out

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>Even if you were right, and liberal democracies are only able to form after violent revolutions
but that is bullshit
we never had a revolution

we simply decided to have democracy but i guess that explains why pic make ancap rats piss their pants

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>I don't believe in eternal revolution
Eternal revolution is just the natural change in government over time. Some democracies today will probably no longer be so in about 100 years.

Ideologies last only so long though, so you are correct.

>libertarians don't even like small governments themselves since they all support banning abortion
This isn't true for th majority of Libertarians or indeed Libertarian parties. The american alt-rightists who call themselves Libertarian because they don't want to be called Liberal or Conservative oppose abortion and they'd be called "Paleolibertarian" but really if they're only "Libertarian" when it comes to one issue (the economy) are they really Libertarian?

not true though
look it up
the percentage of people who identify as libertarian in america does not differ from the overall population

>The american alt-rightists who call themselves Libertarian because they don't want to be called Liberal or Conservative oppose abortion and they'd be called "Paleolibertarian" but really if they're only "Libertarian" when it comes to one issue (the economy) are they really Libertarian?
are you pulling a "not real libertarianism" on me?

whoosh the point your head..... raise our taxes! the democrats don't support israel!!! i swear if we just voted democrat and raised our taxes israel wouldn't get any foreign aid

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B&r

>the war on drugs was started by republicans
Who are not libertarian
>libertarians don't even like small governments themselves since they all support banning abortion
They support access to abortion really, just because some don't want their taxes going towards something they think is immoral doesn't means every libertarian is some kind of hardcore Evangelical. Which they have a point, federalism on the level of the United States is just ridiculous. How people in New York vote should not affect the government of small rural areas so greatly.

You seem to have a real hateboner for right libertarians in particular. Why is that, and I hope it's not some brainket rant about an anecdotal stereotype reinforced by sheer confirmation biases

Our libertarian organizations are all run by the Kochs who aren’t consistent or really libertarian on a lot of issues.

They’ll find misinformation campaigns to stop private companies from building high speed rail here because it would hurt their oil sales.

>are you pulling a "not real libertarianism" on me?
I see you've existed within an echo chamber for a long time. Yeah, not all libertarians are the same. Same as how not all socialists are the same. There are libertarian socialists for fucks sake.

You seem to be some moron who thinks that libertarianism is an American corporatist boogeyman of some kind. Not sure why

i think you've confused socialists for liberals m8
socialists don't want the dems or support for israel

>Who are not libertarian
how?
they support economic liberalism and conservative social policy
they are not different from libertarians

>They support access to abortion really
reason.com/blog/2015/08/14/sorry-rand-paul-haters-pro-life-libertar
>"According to our analysis of 2008 [American National Election Study] data, 62 percent of libertarians are pro-choice versus 37 percent pro-life, similar to percentages of the national population,"
despite supposedly being pro-freedom more than anyone they exactly pro-freedom more than anyone when it comes to abortion

>Why is that
i dont want my country to turn into USA

>Yeah, not all libertarians are the same. Same as how not all socialists are the same.
of course you pull that defense now when you know you are defeated

>Our libertarian organizations are all run by the Kochs
Kochs pretty much just try to put money into anything that might benefit their business. They don't care about politics at all, just making money. The bastards.

AMERICANS SUCK KOCH

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you're still not getting my point... I think you are just offended on the image i used. Yes American socialists vote for the democrat party and vote in more mexicans (so the rich people can have a cheaper labour force and more tax slaves (but I don't think a liberal will ever addresse that point more mexicans is just a good thing and stick it to trump)) but whatever it's the one sentence you retards are fixated on. I don't know why cummies are so retarded. here I'll ecplain it for you so you can finally understand...... America has enough tax dollars for all your socialist crap but it gets spent on the military industrial complex... don't even pretend democrats aren't exactly the same as republicans. I mean democrats think Obama deserved a peace prize. That's one benefit to retarded liberals. they always want more taxes and never think about where their taxes go....

>They don't care about politics at all, just making money
reminds me of here
some years ago the biggest libertarian-esque politician in denmark (who had written some book proclaiming the welfare state to be the cause of all evil) completely nonchalanty wrote an article where he proclaimed his support for Saudi Arabia simply because of their economic policy

these people care about power
freedom is just a word they yell to deflect criticism

>Neocons
>supporting economic liberalism and conservative social policy
>Libertarians a priori needing to support conservative social policy
Again, no. There are left libertarians.
>60/40 in favor of government sponsored abortions
Pro choice means having to side with a federal initiative that forces someone to pay into a system that they think is immoral. If you remove the government mandated part of the question and advocated for an opt in/ out system on a local level most libertarians would be in complete agreement on that across the left right spectrum.

>Don't want my country to turn into an oligarchic, corporatist shithole
Then don't support statism

>of course you pull that defense now when you know you are defeated
That's not a rebuttal. Libertarianism is not just Objectivism

>Yes American socialists vote for the democrat party and vote in more mexicans
again, socialists, tend to vote for specific "progressive" candidates like bernie, cortez etc at the absolute most, the democratic party is a party for liberals who advocate for social democrat values, not socialist values and therefore a huge portion of genuine socialists are alienated from the electoral system altogether
>don't even pretend democrats aren't exactly the same as republicans
there are marginal differences but they are both generally the same in leadership, yes

I mean, I could understand supporting OPEC to a degree if you just read about it on Wikipedia but yeah. There is something not very libertarian about supporting an absolute monarchy.

Ah yes. Found a Euro-cuck who hates liberty

>>supporting economic liberalism and conservative social policy
but that is true

>>Libertarians a priori needing to support conservative social policy
of course you don't but they still do
every time some fascist nut appears in USA they always turned out to have been kicked out of the libertarian because the nuts would blow their cover
like that guy who thought that women should be property

>Pro choice means...
that is what i am talking about
pulling excuses out your ass because you want to further deflect truth

>Then don't support statism
kys mutt
i like my welfare state and not your tyranny

of course you blame something that never happens in europe on socialdemocracy

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>liberty
to get mutilated

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>but that is true
No. It's not. Especially among right libertarians, who you seem to have s major hate boner for, as I can only assume you post in an echo chamber where you hardly interact with them, support conservative non-interventionist policies. Republicans are war mongering corporatist shills who are completely fine weilding the power of the government in order to favor certain private companies. They do it a lot actually.
>every time some fascist nut appears in USA they always turned out to have been kicked out of the libertarian because the nuts would blow their cover
>Like that one guy
This is some pretty hardcore strawmanning
>pulling excuses out your ass because you want to further deflect truth
I just gave you the truth? Again, this isn't a rebuttal you're just mad that I'm disagreeing with you and your blog source.
>i like my welfare state and not your tyranny
Welfare is fine libertarian societies btw. Again, you seem to have it in your mind that libertarianism is neo-liberalism. It's not.

seething oligarch

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Mad Max is already looking stalled with his libertarian bullshit

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Oh look Trump the rethuglican kike puppet lowered foreign aid to Israel. Damn, didn't see that coming, so he lowered taxes for your average american and then kept less of it from going overseas... woah I didn't realize how based trump was.... Oh well that's what americans get for voting against their economic interest not wanting mexicans doing the jobs metro and urban retards don't want to do and lowering taxes. It just amazes me how people think lowering taxes is against your economic interest because the corrupt politicians will have less money to NOT spend on the people paying taxes simply lol.... It amazes me how liberals want taxes raised but thyen don't even know what their taxes go towards. god I hate liberals. In canada all they do is tax tax tax so some obese fuck or smoker can get 20 surgeries a year while you visit the hospital not even annually. simply eric....

Typically Euro-Cuck, diverting topic showing unrelated news.

>explorer.usaid.gov/about.html#tab-status
>posts incomplete reports

>you are a literal leftist
NO, NO, PLEASE NO, ANYTHING BUT A LITERAL LEFTIST

I like how you've been cherrypicking everything in my reply you want to reply too. I mean everything else you can't argue against just pretend he didn't say it. Also it's funny you say that because you can check for yourself the status of each agency and the only ones that are incomplete are the ones that have nothing to do with fundine israel... really funny oyou say that... I already know ehere my taxes are going..... they are foreign aid for the poor fuck socialist debt queers out east.... maybe pay off your fucking debt before stealing more taxes from the few successful canadian provinces thank you... I wonder how much of my wealth was forcibly moved to your province because you hate working so much.... some socialist.... I wonder why all working class people want lower taxes but champagne socialists don't.... Oh right who will pay for their bullshit....

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holy fuck based leaf

Libertarians are not even a political force here, I have yet to see any type of election where a libertarian has polled over 10%

>maybe pay off your fucking debt before stealing more taxes from the few successful canadian provinces thank you
nah, my province is scheduled to go into bankruptcy within 10 years so have fun paying for that too
>I wonder why all working class people want lower taxes but champagne socialists don't
socialists (not liberals and "social" democrats) want to completely transform society into a moneyless, classless society so idk why you're so hung up on taxes

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A LICENSE TO MAKE TOAST IN YOUR OWN DAMN TOASTER?!?!?

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jesus what a sad sight

That NPC thing is photoshopped, right?

>US (s)elections
>mattering at all
it's like a corporate re-brand of a product
it is still the same product underneath
current state american """"""""""democracy"""""""""""" is the biggest joke of the century

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no

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I don’t even know how to respond

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I don't understand the npc photos thing
are they calling their own supporters npcs?

I get their hate for governments
I will never get the hardon they get for megacorps taking a huge shit on people, nations, economies and everything they believe in.

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libertarians are closet conservatives

>closet

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they'd respond that it's governments that ALLOW megacorps to exist and shit on people, if they had their way and there was no government there'd be no monopolies because of competition.

We don't. Fuck Google, I don't tolerate international billion dollar corporations stepping on my rights anymore than three government.

Usually these billion dollar corporations only achieve their levels of success through the state anyways.

Like pottery

>, if they had their way and there was no government there'd be no monopolies because of competition.
No , monopolies don't need state power to occur. The concept that libertarians want to abolish all government and just let the private sector rule people's lives is a misnomer. Government still has a role to guarantee the freedom of individual citizens

Wheres the lie though

[praxeology intensifies]

>thinking there's anything wrong with Libertarians

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>Government still has a role to guarantee the freedom of individual citizens
by regulating the economy?

Yeah, the government can still regulate the economy. They can even nationalize different companies or industries. The teleological goal of libertarianism is a small government used to guarantee personal liberty, personal liberty isn't just infringed by the government my dude.

>They can even nationalize different companies or industries
I don't know of any libertarian that agrees with this
otherwise I'd be a libertarian as I'm for small government but don't see any worthwhile alternative to the universal healthcare we have

When the libertarian revolution happens nobody will be able to stand between me and my loli horse cock farm.

>I don't know of any libertarian that agrees with this
I know several. I mean, the form of nationalization advocated by different kinds of libertarians varies and is usually resctricted to a more localistic jurisdiction than total federal control over an industry.

It would occur on company by company basis and would largely depend on what service they provide, if what they provide is something vital to the common good and said private entity is violating the inherent rights of man then the government, which ought to be an entity designed to guarantee such freedoms, may nationalize it into something like a public utility. That would be the minarchist solution to the issue, although different brands of left libertarians advocate for something similar

>falangism
meme of memes

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