Other than widespread unemployment and in some countries hardhanded repression, what has it actually accomplished?
To the rest of the world, it looked like MENA was progressing, slowly but steadily during the early 2000s, such as the mad man of the middle east, not so mad anymore, but look at Libya these days...
Well, that's just my opinion, tell me yours, Jow Forums
Was the Arab spring a mistake?
Jeremiah Taylor
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Angel Lee
Nobody understood the Arab spring and everyone just hates all the refugees and immigrants we got because of it.
Asher Cox
Also, please share your predictions about the future.
Colton Taylor
obviously
overthrowing your governments isn't exactly the best solution to the problem
William Butler
> Libya
Libya wasn't a scenario of the "Arab spring" or "democratic reform". Libya was invaded.
Hudson Diaz
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>Look at Libya! Retarded Arabs need a dictator!
Liam Campbell
From now I see only one accomplished thing is weakining of Europe with flood of refugees. It's for america to impost their foreign politics and press on European politics. Other than that, I don't know. Maybe american/anglos intelligence got more agents in region now, but, their influence is still weak.
Ethan Gutierrez
To my knowledge all NATO did was establish a no-fly zone to prevent another Rwanda.
Unfortunately the vocal minority is always the loudest, I'm sure many people wanted democratic reforms instead of violent revolts but here we are.
I get where you come from, but wouldn't it be helpful to identify the source in the first place?
Landon Thomas
The only interesting part about North-Africa is it's proximity to Europe. It's not like the Arab peninsula.
Colton Watson
It was never made clear what the Arab spring was about. First they were enlightened wannabe Europeans overthrowing their restrictive backwards governments for freedom and democracy, then they suddenly were ISIS and women molesters on Tahrir square.
Hence it was just declared brown people problems and people stopped caring.
Xavier Watson
>arab countries were growing stronger
>suddenly a leftis uprising weakens them, allowing paramilitary groups to gain strength and control entire areas
>people are forced to migrate to other countries, weakening them since there are millions of refugees
>those countries are mostly European
I wonder who benefits the most from this...
Mason Reed
weakening?
I would say the opposite, nationalists are getting stronger and stronger as more and more people disagree with governmental policies.It is not for me to say whether or not they are right, but this looks awfully similar to the 1980s arab awakening if you ask me, a group of people without nuch of a modern identity, but with a rich history, find a common enemy and become avid nationalists.(Oversimplification but you get it)
Juan Robinson
That's a pretty shitty answer but all opinions are respectable so here's your (You)
That's a huge pity...the only reason ISIS came to power is because of the power gaps left by the dictatorships and the extreme anti-islamists getting into power and repressing the muslim minority.
I guess most people have a NIMBY mindset
John Russell
don't forget that a weak middle east=a strong israel and american influence in the region.
I can hear hands rubbing in the distance...
Dylan Lee
My opinion was objectively correct. Everything else is Jow Forums-tier niggery.
Not just them, China benefits too.
James Brown
Circumstantial evidence does not uphold in a court of law though, but I guess this is a shitposting board.
Maybe it's because Singapore takes a neutral position on many things, but I do not understand the paranoia of foreign influence(especially America and China), what harm do they wish upon you? Have you done wrong to them? Why would they enact revenge?
Gavin Moore
It was the "jasmine spring" at first then the fucking west got involved and it became the "shitty arab spring"
Asher Wright
Why was it called the Jasmine spring?
Have things personally changed for you?
Dylan Hill
because at first it was a tunisian spring, jasmine is our national flower. it was a peaceful jasmine spring at first.
Juan Rivera
But then it was called the dignity revolution ثورة الكرامة in tunisia.
Gavin Jones
I see...admirable cause, but I guess all good things come to an end and somehow it got sidetracked
Samuel Taylor
>European
jewish and american. Europe is suffering
Cameron Mitchell
Democracy is a mistake.
Justin Davis
It started out as a noble cause but was taken over by radicals, just as 99% of rebellions
Henry Harris
The existence of dictatorships is not a reason to invade their countries. I applaud DPR Korea for getting nukes, it's their only guarantee against imperialist democracy. If you disarm, you get hurt.
NATO financed and armed the rebellion in Libya. Puppet allies even sent their armies.
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NATO itself was involved in the most hideous war crime committed in this century by the West.
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Cooper Hall
>leftis uprising
gaddafi and assad are both socialists, fucking retard. the insurgents are vassals of "western liberalism" aka american hegemony.
for some reason all successful secular socialist countries in the middle east get destroyed by insurgents or foreign armies. meanwhile religious shitholes like saudi arabia and jordan become best friends with israel and only seem to grow stronger and stronger.
Logan Turner
Fascinating.I was too young back then to care about the importance of fact checking(11), so forgive me.
I guess truth is really the first casualty of war
Jaxson Edwards
I think arabs wanted to be a bit freer and less controlled by the state, the governments in general chose suppression over reform.
The fault isn't with the people, but the government.
Joshua Rodriguez
They broke the old system but failed to built a better one.
Democracy is weak and it can't defend itself from traditon or radical thoughts.
Angel Williams
but the thing is, due to the diversity of the middle east, even with democracy it would become more corrupt and worse than a dictatorship, look at Lebanon, there is too much religious fighting in the government going on
Cameron Hall
The Arab spring failed because it practiced neither virtue nor terror at its inception.
Eli Morales
>Was the Arab spring a mistake?
i wonder that every day since 2013