What do now ?

They made chicks with dicks

>As someone who study and works in biomedical engineering

You and every other Jow Forumstard

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The researcher, He Jiankui of Shenzhen, said he altered embryos for seven couples during fertility treatments, with one pregnancy resulting thus far. He said his goal was not to cure or prevent an inherited disease, but to try to bestow a trait that few people naturally have — an ability to resist possible future infection with HIV, the AIDS virus.

I don't want it to happen because (((rich))) people will be the first to create superhuman offspring for themselves and leave the rest of the world as a permanent slave population. It kinda already happens naturally but there will be nothing left to stop them if they can alter their biology at will

>>modify humans to be resistant to disease. free of deformities, stronger, smarter.

how are they violating human rights?

I worry more about unforseeable after-effects of our manipulating human genes
Especially after letting these people out to breed and mix with others creating possibly very detrimental effects
That and the idea of people editing their kids to be freakish for whatever fetish or political reason

Don't worry, your grandchildren will have islamic morality instead

You know some groups will monopolize this and it will bring a modern day caste system

that's happened throughout history with evolution though. those that are more adapted to the environment pass on their genes. this is really no different then an accelerated process.

Automation will make class obsolete.

Make futa real

Capitalism has already created a modern caste system.

He said that it will make them resist AIDS

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Rich people will be able to buy their children good health, beauty and intelligence.

user we're already there with plastic surgery, modern healthcare and private schools.

Gene manipulation is something that you can't just opt out from.
If you are not willing to edit the genes of your children, you are not competing and that is the end of it.
Just like you cannot opt out of equipping your military with rifles, or how you cannot opt out of developing nuclear missiles, you will not be able to opt out of genetic engineering.

Don't worry, the Chinese will be wiped out like the plague if they do this systematically like we did to our bananas

Shut the fuck up you ignorant mongrel.

uh, there are plenty of nations that out out of developing nuclear weapons, rifles? not so much. if you don't want to modify the genes of your children, do not undergo IVF which is a requirement to modify the embryo. if you happen to fall in love with someone that has undergone genetic modification and wish to have children, that is no different then the current evolutionary process.

its already real
just so rare

t. chang
>there are plenty of nations that opt out of developing nuclear weapons
those nations are under the protection of other nations that did it in their place.
Sort of like going to the schoolyard and spouting big words about nonviolent resistance and then having the cops show up and beating up your enemies for you.

Its called a zero sum game you absolute degenerate, he is right.
Americans are ignorant about most subjects but they usually have a notion of strategy due to military worship

I guess I admire that? but what a weird thing for a chinese person to care about. FYI this is probably bullshit

its a bad analogy, its more akin to opt out the industrial revolution
the west will be like china and china will be like the west if we dont do anything

>>those nations are under the protection of other nations that did it in their place.

that still proves your statement incorrect as Guatemala has no protectorate and has no nuclear weapons. neither does Myanmar, Mongolia, Kazakhstan, Nigeria etc etc etc

yeah but that's human development. you compete against your peers. if genetic modifications become the norm, how is it a problem if we become more resistant to disease, stronger and smarter? did we not start the industrial revolution because we were afraid that the pollution would lead to our end? no, we adapted to it.

>how is it a problem if we become more resistant to disease, stronger and smarter?
its a problem because genetic modifications in humans is taboo in the west due to christian moral infested bioethic commitees
so only our rivals will be getting stronger, more resilient and smarter
don't you see the issue here? or is being a serf to chinese people the future you envision for your grandchildren ?

>if you don't want to modify the genes of your children
It's not an issue of wanting or not wanting your children to undergo the process. It's an issue of your genetic line being extinguished, because as much as humanitarians hate to admit, Darwinism is still in play and children who successfully undergo the treatment automatically have a better outlook than those who didn't.
We're not the ones arguing that genetic engineering is a "problem", the others are arguing on a moralistic basis.
Our argument is that everyone's opinions are irrelevant and that it's going to happen whether you like it or not.

kek, that's your problem, if the opportunity presents itself to have my children genetically modified, i'll have it done in China or wherever it is legal.

how is the genetic line extinguished when it is being modified? the same way it is being modified the same way you choose a mate. unless you're cloning yourself your line will be altered in some way.

>(((rich))) people will be the first to create superhuman offspring for themselves
Lol rich people won't factor. Get ready for an arms race of which government can pump out the most super-beings in artificial wombs. Millions of jack-of-all-trades geniuses that explode economic and scientific growth, and explode any default humans that dare challenge them.

I THINK DEFAULTS SUCK

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What is your point?

Maybe maybe not

Its their kids. If we can edit their genes to avoid cystic fibrosis, Tay-Sachs disease or other horrible genetic diseases, why not do it? And if the parents want their kids to have blue eyes or curly hair or a normal size nose they should also be allowed to do it, the only argument is other people thinking it somehow is wrong to do what you are able to do.

Of course if like you say some weird parents have a fetish and want their kids to be a litteral mutant this shouldn't be allowed but just like it's currently not allowed to mistreat your kids.

>its not my problem because i'll just break the law and pay millions of dollars
absolute fucking degenerate brainlet that cannot comprehend the macro implications of what's being discussed

You misunderstand.
Genetic modification does not extinguish your genetic line.

When your parents *opt out* of genetic modification, you become less competitive and the probability that your genetic line gets extinguished increases due to complex factors (i.e. being unable to compete in the market resulting in you becoming a homeless vagrant)

The tl;dr is that if you have the resources to perform safe genetic engineering--and then you don't go through with it--you are making an immediate conscious decision to make your children's lives worse, and that is something parents don't often experience these days.

my allegiance is to myself. my country is as good as how it can meet my needs. i'm not deluded into some nationalistic belief. go die for your country slave.

i give my country as much as it expects from me, and i get back as much as i expect. it is a mutually beneficial situation.

then start learning mandarin

>The tl;dr is that if you have the resources to perform safe genetic engineering--and then you don't go through with it--you are making an immediate conscious decision to make your children's lives worse, and that is something parents don't often experience these days.

that's no different than being poor, ugly or stupid in modern terms. all of those factors affect your ability to reproduce.

nah i get along perfectly fine with english thanks. nice of you to learn my language though.

The only thing that help the rich is having it prohibited, which of course is not a problem for them.

I bet my ass there are already gmo adults out there.

The difference is that your parents didn't make a decision to make you poor or ugly or stupid.
When genetic engineering becomes available, they will literally be able to make a decision which can result in you being poor or ugly or stupid.

Today, that is a roll of the dice. It's more complicated than that of course, but there's something to be said for the butterfly effect.

you seem to be under the illusion that if this practice is banned in the west all you would need to do is take a plane trip and then come back
that's cute

no, they didn't make that decision, they just fucking rolled the dice and hoped that the ultrasounds and other tests came back normal.

if I have the opportunity to make my offspring resistant to disease, smarter, stronger then everyone else. you would have to be stupid to not take that advantage given to you. that would be the equivalent of not putting your children through good healthcare or education because you don't want to 'unfairly' have an advantage over everyone else.

It's the truth faggot.

what are you going to do? extract dna from the embryo i implanted in my wife before i reach my country?

>As someone who study and works in biomedical engineering, this is probably what the press will say. The thing is there is nothing logically or scientifically wrong with doing genetic engineering, the only arguments opposing it are muh morality which is biased.

It's quite obvious you know literally nothing about genetics. Biologists have been making the argument for a long time that we don't know what will happen if we begin to alter our own genes. The closest example we have is what happened to dogs, people began to breed for certain trains that they found cute or attractive resulting in extremely unhealthy breeds of dogs. To add to that genetics is too complicated, we don't know what happens if you edit one gene, does it affect the function of others? Who the fuck knows!

Guess what? All of the nations with nuclear weapons can project power and cock block other ones from getting it, even chemical weapons are classified as weapons of mass destruction these days.

Bar you from entrance.

take your child and put you in jail for starters
same procedure when canadian muslims travel abroad to get their babies mutilated

right and how effective was that at stopping Israel, India, Pakistan and North Korea. not all nations require nuclear weapons and not all nations that develop nuclear weapons need permission.

Gene editing is different from selective breeding inbred dogs.

>resulting in extremely unhealthy breeds of dogs
Right, but those are dogs. Everyone can agree that the domestication of dogs was an overall massive success.
Unhealthy breeds of dogs survive because we become as gods and we allow them to
Unhealthy breeds of humans will be allowed to survive in pens and their genetic lines will not be continued to prevent further humanitarian damages.

Rich people already have experience in genetic engineering, either themselves or someone close to them. In fact, they probably even have "cures" for old age, aka something that makes them live longer.

Being poor sucks

are you 12 or is english your third language?
"take your child" means revoking tenancy
oh you deleted it, what a fucking loser.

chinese supersoldier program

don't mind going to prison for a couple of months is if gives my children a huge fucking headstart over everyone else.

>India and Pakistan
They did it early.
>israel
Can shit in the mouth of white people and get away with it.
>North Korea and Iran
Extremely ostracized countries for it.
>South Africa
Combined external pressure managed to took it from them.

How will they find out if medical records are private and held in a foreign country? Will they be able to block billions of genetically enhanced people?

You cannot trust human beings to guide their own evolution.

too slow Pierre, too slow. now i can see why your against genetic modifications, you'll be obsolete.

wouldnt it be better for it to be legal and state sponsored than losing your child and going to jail?
why are you even arguing ? you must be bored or mad

The government can track your position every single day, where eat sleep shit, what store you went to yesterday, how long you were there for, etc. etc.

You really think it's that hard?

If they can do that, then why are most crimes unsolved?

>What is your point?

You're all full of shit and everyone sees your cringy lies for what they are

if my country is too slow to allow gene editing and another country has a safe and reliable method to do so, i'll fucking jump at the chance that allows me to get it done sooner then later. far better then waiting for bureaucracy to catch up with technology. besides, realistically, nobody will know you have a gene edited child for at least a decade after the fact. who is going to do a random blood test on children for genetic modifications? i don't live in a country that subjects its citizens to random gene tests.

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Maybe in the west it will be a fancy thing for the wealthy just like clockwork and automatons were for wealthy Arabs

Meanwhile in socialist Asia EVERYONE will be made into superhumans, because why not? If everyone is super it just makes your entire society so much stronger and more productive

The west will lag behind much like the Arabs did dispite the initial tech/science lead
Arab scientists and their ideas moved to more fertile areas in Europe just like European scientists and ideas move to the East

>now i can see why your against genetic modifications,
I literally equated not adopting genetic modifications as opting out of the industrial revolution and follow the fate of XIX century China...
>Wealthy couple went to china and came back with a baby/pregnant
>Check the DNA of the baby
wow, utterly impossible, how would they do that in the age of NSA and AI assisted surveillance

It's not legal.

Sending your kids to expensive cancer treatment isn't the same as birthing them immune to cancer.

Ma'am, do you consent to having the state test the DNA of your baby?
"No"

>user has been searching on Google about designer babies
>Purchases ticket to a country where designer babies are legal

WOAH. It's no more difficult than how they catch wannabe IS fighters you mongoloid.

I'm not worried about the technology itself so much as irresponsible use of it.
There needs to be SOME oversite and follow up across generations
Genetic engineering is more powerful and more dangerous than nuclear energy, and we sure as shit are careful with that.
That doesn't mean we should be afraid of it though, we should embrace it just like we should embrace nuclear power

I think China is the best country to manage something like this on all honesty simply due to the ridged structural control and socialist values
If such technology was open to the public in America you'd end up with a country full of horrible mutants within 50 years

>guide their own evolution.
But that is the same thing as simply living.

they literally can do that. Just take all of the sensors in the average smartphone, plug in some machine learning and they can even figure out that you're walking, getting out of the car...
The new Apple Watch even advertised that they can figure out that you're rowing or bicycling

>why are most crimes unsolved
You'd have to make a target of yourself at the federal level.
Not just any nightstick wielding goon is going to have access to those databases.

>be somalian couple in the usa
>travel back to somalia with your baby daughter for a week and come back
>"m'am do you consent us looking at your baby's vulva"
>"no"
wow it was so easy all along, someone inform r/islam/ !

what the fuck are you on? i agree, not opting for gene editing it like saying you don't want to enter the industrial revolution. ergo, if your country doesn't allow it, but another country does, you should opt to get it done sooner then later.

well for one, it only takes 6 weeks to confirm a pregnancy. and there is no way to know if you are pregnant unless you do a test or have a ultrasound, which i seriously doubt the CTA will have every women of child bearing age go through when entering Canada from China.

We've been guiding our own evolution ever since we developed agriculture
TO BE HONEST though agriculture was a mistake

Show me the warrant you got from the judge. I'll have my lawyers throw that out.

I forgot my link youtube.com/watch?v=S0G6mUyIgyg

Sure, but that's nothing compared to genetics. Plastic surgery is fake beauty, and often looks pretty shit anyway. They'll be able to give themselves incredible immune systems, resistance to many viruses, bacteria and diseases and the genetics for longer life spans. And no doubt they'll still send their freakishly high IQ children to private schools to give them that extra little advantage on top, plus all the connections that come with private education. The vast majority of non-edited humans won't be able to compete.

yeah i know, its way better to make them immune then to treat them. it's far more efficient then the current method, treating them.

elite start a race war so that people forget about class-ism

You guys still don't get it. The rich OWNS the state. They'll legalize it.

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This is why you must embrace socialism or else be prepared for the future of Genetic Feudalism across western nations
Honestly though it's not much different from the past feudalism in Europe anyway
The average noble like a Knight was just so superior to any serf that they had no way to ever challenge him

right, gene editing is far more efficient than the methods we currently have. that's the point of technology, we make greater strives. the car is far better then the horse for transportation right?

Of you can eliminate genetic faults, socialism becomes a real possibility

In some ways
I can't breed and grow a new car and a horse can be maintained with local materials not requiring any international exports

>Genetic Feudalism
>Feudalism
Feudalism doesn't work with an armed populace.
It requires noblesse oblige.
If the significantly larger number of unwashed genetic monkeys thinks that the superior caste doesn't have their best interests at heart, they will rebel and start over from the ashes of the previous civilization.

Arguably, as long as there is noblesse oblige, there is even nothing wrong with feudalism. I bet you would find a lot of sympathizers in the commonwealth.

Just like the rich already do, they will just give handout social programs.

satan is a communist what a surprise

The population has been systematically disarmed anyway
Besides just having weapons is meaningless if the people have been stripped of all their motivations and will to use them effectively
the USA is becoming a feudal society and people cheer for it guns in hand

Remember that the peasantry had weapons too, it's just that the Knight was so vastly superior to any peasant that e could kill a horde of them with at most a few retainers by his side. Yet people accepted this transition away from traditional Germanic tribal freedom and equality, or Roman legalism because they were frightened and slowly blunted in their ability to react to imprecise threats like looming tyranny