Any self taught programmers here?

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Goes to show that it is wishful thinking. Nobody is going to hire you without a diploma. Shit, it took me almost 6 months to find my first job after I graduated with a CS degree. Everyone wanted job experience or at least an internship. It doesn't have to be a CS diploma but it has to be something close, some kind of an engineering diploma. But with a non-CS degree you would have to go through some coding boot camp and work for some body shop until you find something better. Or, if you have connections than anything is possible of course.

go to Jow Forums canada

In America you need the $50,000 a year diploma to get a job. That's how the rich stay rich and keep poorfags like you out of all the lucrative tech careers.

C# is basically C++ with Java object-oriented paradigm. It's predecessor was even called J++.
It is 100x easier than C++ and 1000x easier than C

Well you could learn it quite easily desu
Khan Academy is bretty gud

bullshit. more like 8-10k a year.

Argentina 32 job applications as Dev.
Jav - C# - C++ And Phyton..
No job.
Going to kill myself at December 31.. Stay put.

You can go to community college of course, but what are your chances of getting more than a minimum wage job?

I know html/css/javascript/php. Never used any frameworks yet.

I'm tempted to just sign up for an IT traineeship for a job. The offer more money than what I studied for and a job guarantee. And I can't find a job in the field I studied for.

What field did you study?

Even my cheapest state university would cost me at least 20k a year

yes, i taught myself x86 assembly and C. no jobs. i regularly browse Jow Forums and they make the job market for software dev sound pretty grim, e.g. unpaid internships, shitty bosses, shit pay, trannies, etc. which is the reason why i am leaning towards the sys admin degree at the technical college i am attending.

>yes, i taught myself x86 assembly and C. no jobs
maybe you shouldve learned something that people actually use

yeah whatever, i wanted to learn programming and i chose an e-book called 'programming from the ground up' which just so happened to teach you how to program with assembly. learning assembly has taught me how the computer machine works at a basic level though, which is nice to know.

im studying in uni.

i can get a mid-degree as technical programmer, or something like that. i guess that degree is enough to get a job, but im almost 2 years away from it, and im already 23.

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I'm 25 and just starting.

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>32
pfff. I applied at 100+ different places before I found something. flunked a couple of shitty online tests. but most of the time no response at all, nothing. Took me 6 months to finally land a job.

I am talking about tuition costs only. 20k would be the total cost including room and board if you lived on campus, yes.

Yea i been trying for 1 year tho.
32 interviews is the max i gather around the province. You live in the fucking first world m8.

There are codemonkey jobs that will hire ppl without a college degree. however, they will prefer ppl with college degrees.

more sophisticated programming jobs will always require a college degree. at least that's how it is here in the US.

That's true. I am not going to lie and say it is harder here. Of course your situation is harder. But at the same time I don't know why people say landing a cs job is a piece of cake. It is not. Especially the first job. You always see media say hurr durr we need more compute scientists , so many jobs, americans don't want to study STEM etc etc. But the reality is you either need luck or connections, or incredible discipline and start looking for internships as early as your freshman year in school. And being autistic doesn't help (you won't interview well even though it seems to be a profession full of autists but still). Also I am in a small hi tech market area which makes that even harder. Do you have a CS diploma or you are self taught?

Yea a 3 year degree.

I know some c and c++ from an electronics background and studied java and some framewokrs on my own because they told me that's what everyone is looking for nowadays but I never managed to land a single interview for a programming related job

Took some classes and got a minor in CS, but mostly self taught. I'm pretty great at algorithm stuff though, so that helped me get a job that pays real well.

If you want to make money, you don't want to stay in Canada. And nobody gives a shit about certificates here. Unless you have a decent resume from actual projects or internships, you're going to regret not going for a degree. It doesn't have to be CS as long as its technical and well respected.

Dont Start with C, I would recommend python

what about Java?

if you are serious you need to be able to do pseudo code and programing theory, there are lots of practice interview questions, and yes they are very technical when you try for a programming position

this isn't the early 2000s anymore and no matter what language you use you have to demonstrate knowledge of algorithm efficiency

java is good for job security. it gets hate but damn do you get paid well to maintane the clusterfuck that is java codebases

also OP I reccomend coming here to Burgerland because Canada pays absolute shit for tech jobs desu

how do I learn to program if I don’t know anything about programming?
t. brainlet

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>lol C is so shit
ah yes, plebs who have never been with low level programming like embedded system

jobs like that usually require a degree in electrical or computer engineering.

Did you even try

Where do you live user?

Not yet

edx.org/course/cs50s-introduction-computer-science-harvardx-cs50x

here. just start it mate. you don't need to pay for the classes

You don’t need a degree here and even on starting position you make like $20k/year which is more than national average
With 2 years of experience I am making about $35k/year after taxes as a Python dev

>you make like $20k/year which is more than national average

what the fuck? how do people even afford to live in poland? I know Americans who have been to Poland and found life in Poland to be quite expensive and our national average is way higher than yours.

>my firstie ass cant imagine not living in lalaland

this

Buenos Aires. (En el interior.)

Already. For me it was ez after phys-math school, but my english...

But C is BASED.

Studying CS is pretty shit, most of the theory is useless and not anywhere near practice. I dont really see how a CS degree would be any useful other than being a certificate

si, debe estar complicado si no vivis en la ciudad.

You don't learn programming in a meaningful sense during courses, just through years of experience.

>C is more complicated than C++

My total living expanses are less than $500/month and I live in Warsaw, what’s that difficult to comprehend?

Tried Java, but stopped. Maybe I just have small
self-confidence. Or some things in this language are actually complicated.

It's certainly smaller than C++, and it doesn't require you to memorize a lot of concepts. But producing good C code requires a competent and creative programmer.
How should I say? C++ is about concepts, C is about techniques. Just look up generic linked list implementation in the Linux kernel you'll know what I'm talking about.

It's not just the concepts but also that it is a hideous language with a lot of weird context sensitive grammar.
First example that comes to my mind are lambdas, what do you have to smoke to think [](){} is a good way to define an anonymous function.

C is a simple language but getting anything high-level done in C is difficult which is why nobody sane uses it for anything other than low-level programming

sup poo

By concepts I also mean the "features" (read bloat) of C++.

codecademy and datacamp is pretty good for noobs