McDonalds Layoffs

YOURE FUCKED WAGIE!!! HOPE YOU DIDN'T LOSE ALL YOUR MONEY ON INTERNET MEME COINS!!! MAYBE YOU SHOULD'VE PERFECT YOUR FIRM HANDSHAKING SKILLS!!!! HAHAHAHAHA!!!

reuters.com/article/us-mcdonalds-restructuring/mcdonalds-plans-fresh-round-of-layoffs-wsj-idUSKCN1J31TY

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>fifteen dollars an hour
>what do you mean robots are cheaper?
Great. Here come the street shitters.

Wait these are corporate management positions. They don't do mass layoffs of fry cooks.

and after setting up automated money takers, they wont need people to count it.
and after getting rid of those people, they wont need to supervise them.
and after getting rid of the supervisors, they wont need to manage them.
and after getting rid of the managers, they will have saved millions and millions of dollars in labor costs.
and after all of that, they will probably end up having their cup machines automatically pour based on the order.
and after that, the french fry machines will put fries in little bags on a conveyor belt.
and after that, the burger machines will assemble burgers.

so who, then, are we paying for the work? this business could hypothetically operate at cost. and yet the prices of the goods are not going down. in fact, they are going up. over the next decade, if the government does not step in and audit companies profit margins, the economy will stop flowing because nobody will be doing the work but prices are not going down as businesses will continue to "price take" despite their ability to "price make" to "earn" exorbitant profits.

basically, companies like mcdonalds which are starting to automate to save metric shittons of money but not passing those savings to the consumer will be the ones to destroy our economy because the money will stop flowing as nobody is working. right now, it's not a big deal. in 10 years it will be. the well being of society needs to be in the hands of businesses that are automating, and some amount of proceeds should go to governments in order to give people enough money (or the means to earn enough money) to buy products.

The government will have to figure out some way to tax companies more heavily depending how automated they are to pay all the welfare cheques

lmao I cant wait for this future, tradies will rule the world

You're better off not eating at McDonald's.

im pretty passionate about this issue. my city has a "win your own business" sort of deal going on where they're willing to fund your rent for the first year if you win (yes, our town is so shitty that we need to create incentives to have people not in business to enter it). last year's winners were a shitty artisan bread shop currently selling their stuff dirt cheap because they dont have to pay for rent, and guaranteed they're going to shut down. my entry was for a self operating pizza shop that the profits of go to the city (I would take what I could to subsidize my modest living and turnaround my personal profits into more automation incentives)

basically, if someone is going to change it and actually make sustainable automation, I dont think its going to be businesses that operate with the mindset of a human labor economy. little guys like us that see a different future are the ones that need to try and change it.

Fast food is perverted. All the wars, the plastic garbage, shitty ideology, none of that is as harmful as what the US released on the world with fast food.

>flattening out its management structure

Cant wait for all these "managers" to lose their jobs.

Finally companies are realizing they are a burden on productivity

>my entry was for a self operating pizza shop that the profits of go to the city
When will you fucking commies ever learn?

Dumb, stupid, economic illiterate luddite.

you're a dumbass if you think that's where it ends. my plan is for the business to operate as inexpensively as possible. out of that, I will attempt to subsidize my own living. anything remaining can go into social programs, so the business that is feeding people is also serving the community.

the other option is to own it myself, not do any fucking work, and keep the money. this is the exact problem that I outline, because i would be expecting people to earn me a profit, but i would not be circulating that money to anybody doing the job. the problem would be compounded if instead of offering, say, a standard 12 dollar pizza, I offer an 11 dollar pizza, just enough to win competition and keep as much profit as possible.

it isn't communism, it's socially aware automation. it's a domino to tip towards technocratic society. I dont WANT to work, but in this world if I can not work by being an early adopter of automation, I dont mind being ahead of the curve. after that, I dont give two shits what happens to the rest of the money.

>wants machines to do all the work so people dont have to
>luddite
i dont think you know what that word even means

I will give you free helicopter ride.

I used to be 16 too.

basically, i want to be ahead of the invisible hand. in the long term, the invisible hand would force people to drop prices if everybody had automation. since we are in the early stages, instead of forcing the prices to come down, it is instead just making business more profitable. as fun as that sounds for business, Im more interested in accelerating the process. it means that new business that enters will have to compete against very cheap food and force other restaurants to adopt automation and reduce prices or be priced out of the market. I intend to use automation to price make. I do not intend to expand or franchise, so the business could operate nearly at cost if not for prices of maintenance. please explain what I am missing here that makes me economically illiterate.

i'll ignore your ignorant crack at my age, as though somehow it even mattered. you must be 18 years of age or older to use this website. whats your better idea, and what stops mine from working?

The level of automation you guys fantasize about would involve AGI and when that happens, having work to do will be the least of our worries. Basically, you are neo-Luddites with delusions of grandeur.

Machines
A) cost a FUCKTON - several hundred thousand
B) there is no guarantee that your food niche can be automated yet unless you want to build your own bot. Good luck with that and see you in ten years.

It's just a very naive business plan coming from someone with little experience in automation, I assume. Automating a manufacturing line is one thing, automating a food shop is a whole different game.

well no shit you need better technology to do it now. I'm fantasizing about it because we dont have it. my goal is to have human basic needs taken care of before anything else. 3d printing homes and automated food is a start. I am trying to keep it realistic to the time period we are in but also looking forward 20 or 30 years from now.

i also fantasize about fully connected public cars so you hail a vehicle and AI routes all traffic to make transport unimaginably more efficient. we basically have all the tech available to start this TODAY if we really wanted to, but it will be a process. somebody has got to have a vision

Oh, you're the 'ideas' guy
Have you tried making something happen or do you just take lsd and trip to see the next big thing?

it's already done. Let's Pizza is a machine that already exists and has existed for the last half a decade. the city is already willing to drop 50 thousand dollars a month on rent alone in one of the most expensive areas of the city.

and yeah, I obviously dont have actual experience in automation, but I know that the machines do exist and I'm dying to get educated so i can approach this as down to earth as possible. maybe it's naive, but if its not doable, Im willing to put in the time learning why not.

Well good luck, fren. I just think you have too much faith in the automation narrative. Yes, as time goes on, automation will increase for the jobs that currently exist much as has been happening since the start of the industrial revolution. There'll be more jobs. The fantasy I'm referring to is the supposed massive unemployment that's coming Any Day Now(TM) and the need for UBI or whatever other excuse Socialists use to entertain themselves that their ideas are workable or necessary. We'll see though. I implore you to see the world as it is and get a better understanding of where it is likely going in the short and medium term before wasting too much time.

i wanted to make games so i learned to dev. i wanted to start/understand business so Im in business and finance courses. i am passionate about AI so I am in computer science courses.

i am attempting to develop all the needed skills for my passions because i loathe "idea guys". what are you doing?

i appreciate the discussion and different point of view. i definitely dont think we're at the point where we are going to have massive underemployment any time soon, and I dont think we "need" UBI, but I think if there's an opportunity to feed people cheaply and give back to the community in one shot, it's worth investigating for feasibility. i'll know by tomorrow if I'm a finalist, anyhow.

>He thinks 15 dollars an hour is a lot

it's a lot for a mcdonalds worker

If we use this to convince millions and millions of poor people to buy Bitcoin as their only hope, it could fucking work.

>unless you want to build your own bot. Good luck with that and see you in ten years.

just for the record, worst case scenario is: none of this can be done without a huge amount of education.

A. i either get a bunch of education in automation/robotics/electrical engineering and whatever other multi disciplinary shit you need to do this, which will be one of the biggest fields in the next 20 years as automation begins to accelerate, so I will never be out of work regardless of whether I want to run a fuckin pizza shop or not.
B. i say fuck all of it and instead go into bioinformatics, which still means I have to do AI work anyways.

basically the future is all looking bright anyhow and Im mostly trying to stir discussions and make peoples lives better. i think it's a pretty decent way to spend time.

It sounds so easy when you haven't done any actual work on it. Just get educated bro

It isn't difficult to make a McDonalds burger-bot.
I'm actually taking a bachelor's degree in automation engineering.

kid, its obvious youre still a teenager. i remember having such stupid ideas when mommy and daddy took care of me too.
i work as a meche in a big factory. when i was fresh out of uni, i wanted to automatize everything (my specialization was in automation). guess what, when you factor in things like initial capital requirements, maintenance, upgrading, etc. its usually simply not worth it. its way easier and cheaper to just pay some nigger near minimum wage to screw screws.

but it would most likely have to be pre-made burgers, which then are microwaved or something. I would never eat it