Is your country still a capitashit country or it realizing (or realized) a mixed economy is the future?

I’d rather only a few people live in extreme poverty than everyone be equally poor

A few people?

>Implying that it isn't the capitalist system that is allowing Chinks to colonize other nations buy buying properties

Yes, a few people. Under communism, everyone was equally poor, while under capitalism, the lazy are now in poverty while everyone who WANTS TO WORK and pulls themselves up by the bootstraps has become rich or middle class

>capitalism

My country is still feudalist.

>your economy

We don't even have a real economy.

>everyone who WANTS TO WORK and pulls themselves up by the bootstraps has become rich or middle class

Sadly it doesn't work in Russia.

Economy of the USSR was two times bigger than now lol

Well, our current government consists of Slovak oligarch ruling together with socdems (who don't support him), while being backed by communists (who don't participate in government). There is also prospect of nationalists substituting the socdems, leaving us with government of nationalists+commies+oligarch.

Imagine typing this on a computer made by hard working Chink poorfags

The Nationalist-Commie-Oligarch Party sounds pretty based and redpilled tbqh

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>equally poor
That's a meaningless statement you prat, you could 'equally' say they were all equally rich.

Capitalism favours those who have a psychotic need to be better than others and get rich, people get told it's your own fault that society keeps you on the absolute limit because you wanted to be with family and friends instead of busting your cock at work for all hours in the hopes you'll one day usurp your boss.

I would rather the economic freedom to not care about economics than the economic freedom to buy a nicer car if I dedicate my life to it.

I was under the impression that almost all economic systems; as they stand now, are mixed.

>two times bigger

Nobody knows the real size of soviet economy. I don't even think it can be measured adequately because the term GDP cannot be applied to a planned economy isolated from the rest of the world.

if chinks get 2 times richer than you they can colonize even easier than now

>Yes, a few people. Under communism, everyone was equally poor, while under capitalism, the lazy are now in poverty while everyone who WANTS TO WORK and pulls themselves up by the bootstraps has become rich or middle class

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More like boomer-pilled, tbeh. Here's how the squad would look like.

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seething ancrapistani
you WILL pay for québécois teenagers’ condoms and there’s nothing you can do about it but cry and screech about “soycialism”

Why does the guy on the left's entire head look bruised?

>Butthurt Albertan flyovers spend so much in taxes and transfer payments that they're basically working for free
>other provinces and indian tribes STILL won't let them lay down a pipeline for their oil, and there's nothing they can do about it

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>Capitalism is the future.
Capitalism is the past, corporatism is the future.

The new currency will be McCredits and you'll be deducted 10 of them every time you're late for work or forget to update your facebook status.

He practiced the blade, so he could protect our borders from migrants.

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If we will count by production, soviet economy was 100 times bigger

The mutt is right

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Hitler did infinitely more to halt communism than Pinochet ever did.

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>I actually need a gun to protect myself because capitalism works so well

Isn’t that a Strasser quote?

Weird that no one in Europe noticed that.

*strange

Wtf?
You need a gun Always under whatever system.
You need to be +18 to post here

Based
Make sure to always treat them as colonies providing resources for the motherland, and nothing more.

kys c*Mmie vermin

Daily reminder that it is essential to stop thinking about this commie bullshit and start focusing on UBI.

Oh because you're going to use your gun against tyrannical governments? The U.S government wipes its arse with the constitution daily but I don't see any people's militias rising up like the 2nd amendment was intended for.

Instead it's used by middle class school shooters and pussies who like to play soldier.

Mixed economies are Capitalism.

Das rite, you're getting a ride in the memecopter, soycucks.

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the lack of class consciousness doesn't take away the fact that guns for the working calss are necessary.
jesus, liberals are worse than fucking fascists

Based Hitler fighting capitalism by being financed by corporations, offering lucrative deals to corporations, providing slave labor to corporations and banning strikes and independent unions because workers organizing themselves for their rights is like uh jewish and marxist and shiet.

Nah don't get me wrong, I think the means to incite revolution should be a right. But lets face it, that's not why Americans own guns is it?

Better dead than red (communist economy) or pink (mixed economy)

what's so bad about a socialist economy exactly?

Starvation. Look at Venezuela and the Nordic countries as they’re beginning to collapse on themselves

It's because I've been indoctrinated to think that rich people really are completely self-made and the impoverished only have themselves to blame. I'm happy to trust this because I'm currently in employment and am willing to ignore that my personal achievements have been facilitated by society, I believe I owe it nothing..

Venezuela and the Nordic countries are not under socialism.

every time someone has a strong negative opinion on socialism they're ignorant fucks, it never fails.

How are they not socialist? The state controls everything there and dictates the economy and/or people’s lives

The Nordic countries are not socialist you imbecile.

Can you fags please stop arguing about socialism and focus on UBI? It's coming at break neck speeds and doesn't even require some edgy revolution

please provide me a link for a definition of socialism from a reputable source in which it says "socialism is when the government controls everything"

you won't be able to and you'll have a fit deflecting the topic onto something else.
stop watching retarded channels like PragerU.

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>Look at Venezuela
Yeah it would have been a minor setback if there was a successful socialist country anywhere near the US, they would have been a military, economic and political threat.

I mean obviously it proved socialism doesn't work because America certainly never scuppers the chances of other countries that don't align themselves with them.

Is that PragerU? I recognize that coloring anywhere!

UBI is wrong, it benefits corporations and they'd be leeching off society.

I don't even understand your posts, are you being sincerely retarded or are you under 82 layers of irony?

Completely wrong - under UBI corporations would pay 80% tax. Corps can't sell products to proles that without money. Proles can't earn money in a society where every conceivable job is done by AI. UBI is the perfect capitalist system as it rewards the innovators while making human exploitation impossible.

* to proles that don't have money

Can't you fags have these arguments earlier so I can be less drunk?

It's sarcasm you mong. We're on the same side

>under UBI corporations would pay 80% tax
source for this?
btw I'm not saying it's right, it's still wrong, companies would just defect to countries with cheap labour, you'd effectively be destroying your countries economy.

Regardless of form, all Governments ALWAYS control or own everything in their nation, otherwise they're not really governing if they somehow "don't".

>I'm under 82 layers of irony, you mong!
alright

and what if the workers control the state? what if instead of having representatives, the actual people of a country legislate, deciding the laws that rule over them?
why would a government be a bad thing then?

My opinion - it is universally accepted that successful corporation would pay high tax. 80% seems fair to me

>you'd effectively be destroying your countries economy.
stop this meme you faggot. I swear everyone seems to think that UBI is some genie shit. If you were an important American company would you want to give up 350million potential customers? Of course not. But those 350million don't have any income. The sane response is to pay into a system that gives those people a dignified lifestyle as your own company is likely to directly benefit from it.

tl;dr: UBI provides a dignified lifestyle in a post-labour society

the Council of People's Commissars banned strikes and independent anything within a year of the October revolution

>tl;dr: UBI provides a dignified lifestyle in a post-labour society
do you legitimately think we're anywhere close to a full automated post-scarcity society?
come on mate get real

I was roleplaying as the sort of sheltered capitalist twat you get trying to argue against communism using 50 year old propaganda

Just because it’s 50 years old doesn’t make it untrue

right, however a lot of it, if not pretty much everything, was etiher untrue or purposefully misrepresented to scare people away from socialism.

>and what if the workers control the state?
The 'state' isn't a mystical outside force, it's a body of people who own the country. Whether that's workers or 'elected representatives' is irrelevant.

>the actual people of a country legislate, deciding the laws that rule over them?
>"Direct democracy via constant referendums, and not even on small regional matters but precisely over the biggest = most complex, where non-specialists shouldn't be allowed to speak let alone vote. Disastrous for the states, but beneficial in one respect: removes politicians as scapegoats and reveals unequivocally that the real fight is not between citizens and corrupt politicians but between citizens themselves and that democracy is not a system of government but a system of peacefully managing ressentiment. "

>why would a government be a bad thing then?
Said Government would be weak.

Not yet but we are getting closer every day.

Imagine a stock taking system that can phone a supplier (human or otherwise) and request a delivery of a product youtube.com/watch?v=fBVCFcEBKLM

The store then loads a truck with the requested stock youtube.com/watch?v=UtBa9yVZBJM

The tuck then drives to the requested location automatically youtube.com/watch?v=uHbMt6WDhQ8

The stock is then unloaded and loaded onto shelves. Humans then enter the store and anything they put into their bag is automatically added to their account youtube.com/watch?v=NrmMk1Myrxc

How many jobs is that just vanished and remember that this is technology that exists today? We're nowhere near post-scarcity yet but every day capitalism is ironically getting us there in the name of cheap automated labour.

This. no one would have heard a fair assessment of communism 50 years ago because there was some crusade against it.

literally just your retarded opinion

I don't see a counter-argument.

Which again, doesn’t make it untrue. Socialism and communism are death

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>a mixed economy is the future

Do pure capitalist countries even exist? Certainly not in the first world, all of our countries have mixed economies and it seems to be working relatively well. I guess the only real capitalist countries are in failed states like Somalia where government doesn't really exist and the dollar is what rules.

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doesn't require one, since you're basing it nothing, it's just your opinion.

>it being untrue doesn't make it untrue
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Better idea: Instead of an artificial economy where a handful of elites rely on masses of subhuman consumers, use that full automation to instead wipe out the vast majority of humanity (Who have become functionally useless other than to consume, otherwise they wouldn't need UBI schemes)

After that, with the resources and augmentations available to the remaining Overmen, the "singularity" removes the need for economic systems.

But it would be things like
>haha look at communists, they have to recycle their shit in the 50s because they can't afford to be wasteful. Capitalism is clearly better because we can produce as much shit as we like and throw it all in the sea because it's cheaper than recycling.

you're retarded. That's all you're getting out of me

Would you be exempt from this purge because you're sucking the elite's cock on Jow Forums now?

>automated transportation exists
superb, and who made those products? other robots?
and who maintains and creates those robots? other robots?

we're pretty fucking far from both full automation and post scarcity.

Capitalism is the existence of private property, there's no such thing as "pure capitalism", there either is capitalism or there isn't.

I really don't care what happens to me - like most people, I don't matter. Only those at the top (ie. the movers and shakers), matter.

Wow. You're cucking yourself this hard? Is this reverse psychology to get mercy or something?

>Capitalism is the existence of private property, there's no such thing as "pure capitalism", there either is capitalism or there isn't.

You taking a political science course, Pedro?

Welcome to the 21st century.
What did you think? Selling potatos will make you rich?
It’s all about catering to big companies now. Do it or keep complaining.

>non answer
do you have an argument?

you're being ridiculous to the point of childishness.

Who made these products? Who makes cars now? It's not humans. Google dark factories, google tesla automation.

This is technology exists right now and you would have to be foolish to believe that any economic model will be tried in the short years before ai takes over most conceivable jobs. Things people said that AI could never do but is currently doing:
>Beat us in chess
>Beat us in go
>Understand and respond to verbal commands
>Self driving cars
etc.

Also I would argue that there is a real hunger for ubi but that hardly relates to what we’re talking about.

Actually the USSR was pretty huge in terms of manufacturing. It's a shame most of it had to be dedicated to fighting an arms race, although they were able to arm America's enemies for cheap but not at a loss.

Make no mistake, the Cold War fucked communist and capitalist economies alike. Capitalism "won" because it had the facade of individual millionaires despite the US government coming from being the richest country after selling arms to all allies in WW2 and not suffering any industrial losses, to being a country just as indebted as any nation that worked for decades to over come the industrial and economic harm WW2 did.

I'm ridiculous to the point of childishness?
you're suggesting we're close to post scarcity.
off yourself mate

god job addressing any of my points. I'm saying that UBI is the next logical step thanks to the technologies I have already demonstrated in this thread. Also nobody thinks we need complete automation to achieve UBI. In a society where the people are highly educated and the populace has infinite free time it makes sense that the gaps will be quickly filled by the thinkers.