Why does America’s healthcare system suck?

Why does America’s healthcare system suck?

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It doesn't suck if you're rich. Stay poor, peasant.

Ours is just as bad tbqh

Thankfully I live in based Quebec where it's much more privatized than any other province

>thinks earning 60k-100k a year makes him rich

It doesn't?

>waiting times are bad so I prefer to pay everytime I need an x-ray

>muh healthcare
bunch of sickly little bitches
just don't be a genetic failure and don't be an idiot that gets run over by cars and you'll be allright

I'm implying that thinks hes rich because he probably earns marginally more than the median income earner. If you aren't making 7 digits you aren't "rich". Your 6 digit salary is only upper middle class.

It sucks in the US.
In normal countries you have universal healthcare whether you're rich or not, it's funded by taxes. In the US only rich can pay it down, but they're also paying more because it's all based on principles of commerce with profit as target.

When I suddenly needed lungs x-ray I walked into the hospital and did x-ray. Got the results next time. Paid nothing out of immediate pocket. And believe me, I had nothing in my immediate pocket. No need to prove if insurance can cover it. Nor fighting about how much. I literally did the procedure and walked away never thinking of it again until now.

what about getting shot?

>next time
*next day

It's extremely easy to save a substantial amount on a 6 figures. Also it's incredibly easy to turn a 6 figure salary into a 7 figure one because there's enough capital to make large investments.

Is this why your country has unprecedented for the entire western world - including modern day post-commie EU countries - that so many of you guys live in absolute poverty with no chance to improve?

You paid for it in taxes though, which could have potentially been more expensive than your once apon a time trip to the hospital

Ever heard of ducking?

A few people are getting very rich with the current healthcare system, and they heavily fund GOP to keep it unchanged

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You are correct. What is more important though is that these taxes are embedded onto our salary system + the fact that I paid nothing out of my immediate pocket.

Not sure where your priorities are, mate, but I suggest revision.

Do you have some dystopic view of the US? Everybody here isn't poor.

lol, unlikely.
Taxes aren't that much.

>Why does America’s healthcare system suck?

Have you ever asked yourself why you never see Americans start these threads?

It's always other people, I have no concern for mine or yours

For a supposedly Christian nation, you Americans sure hate helping others.

>Have you ever asked yourself why you never see Americans start these threads?
Because how would an American know what it's like to walk into a hospital with a broken leg and have it fixed with talk of monetary exchange?

Lots of Americans here do that too, their employer takes some of their wage and provides them with healthcare as a work benefit.
Even if you pay 20 pounds a month on healthcare, that's 10,080 euros in your lifetime

>with
*without.

Everybody here has healthcare, they have private insurance, or if they can't pay for it they get shitty government healthcare.

With government healthcare you can't choose your own doctor, you can't choose what hospital you go to, you can't choose your treatment, you have no say in what medication you take, you can't see a specialist whenever you want, just like what you have.

>that's 10,080 euros in your lifetime
Right, a bargain should I ever get cancer and need treatment.
If not, then I'm glad to help somebody who does need it.

>Do you have some dystopic view of the US?
nytimes.com/2018/01/24/opinion/poverty-united-states.html

washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/06/25/trump-team-rebukes-u-n-saying-it-overestimates-extreme-poverty-in-america-by-18-million-people/?utm_term=.0300776743d5

theconversation.com/new-data-paint-an-unpleasant-picture-of-poverty-in-the-us-101069

povertyusa.org/facts

eu.usatoday.com/story/money/economy/2018/09/19/poverty-rates-america-cities-highest-levels/37799947/

usnews.com/news/healthiest-communities/articles/2018-09-12/poverty-in-america-new-census-data-paint-an-unpleasant-picture

prb.org/insight/u-s-poverty-thresholds-and-poverty-guidelines-whats-the-difference/

nytimes.com/2018/09/13/us/politics/poverty-rate-census-bureau.html

debt.org/faqs/americans-in-debt/poverty-united-states/

commondreams.org/views/2018/07/02/update-2018-more-evidence-half-americans-are-or-near-poverty

weforum.org/agenda/2018/08/why-the-war-on-poverty-in-the-us-isnt-over-in-4-charts

thestreet.com/personal-finance/what-is-the-federal-poverty-level-14690998

edition.cnn.com/2018/06/22/us/america-poverty-un-report/index.html

cnbc.com/2018/10/12/40percent-of-american-middle-class-face-poverty-in-retirement-study-says.html

fortune.com/2018/06/04/trump-policies-u-n-report-u-s-poverty/

theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/apr/15/poor-peoples-campaign-systemic-poverty-a-sin

globalnews.ca/news/4249473/america-poverty-trump-policies/

feedingamerica.org/hunger-in-america/facts

heritage.org/poverty-and-inequality/report/examining-extreme-and-deep-poverty-the-united-states

...yes.

>Thankfully I live in based Quebec where it's much more privatized than any other province

How did this even happen? Quebec is much more socialist than Anglo Canada.

>Because how would an American know what it's like to walk into a hospital with a broken leg and have it fixed with talk of monetary exchange?

That is how it works for me.

Most of that poverty isn't because the wages are low, but because people here are shit at budgeting their money.

Point pretty much is that they'd be anywhere
They aren't here, because the government doesn't assume that people are perfect.

Well, i'm good at saving my money, I really don't give a fuck.

>but because people here are shit at budgeting their money.
You saying Americans are specially retarded in budgeting?

Sure, but if your son or daughter, or your daughter's son, isn't, then you will give a fuck.

No, i'll think that they made poor decisions and it's not somebody else's burden to make up for the hole they made for themselves.

Yes, consumerism is huge here.

>and it's not somebody else's burden to make up for the hole they made for themselves.
But, for a Christian nation...that's literally what Jesus did.

>With government healthcare you can't choose your own doctor, you can't choose what hospital you go to, you can't choose your treatment, you have no say in what medication you take, you can't see a specialist whenever you want, just like what you have.

It's worth $170 for me to have these choices.

We had a healthcare thread on Jow Forums, not even 1 working European could say exactly how much they pay per month in taxes for healthcare.

And sometimes, all it takes is an accident/sickness (even not a serious one!) + losing your job. It happens, nobody's fault. But you're in deep shit, and we are not...

We have tons of philanthropists and charities.

Protip: your doctor isn't trying to make you better, he's trying to make have expensive procedures and take the high highest profit margin drugs from whatever pharmaceutical company paid him the most that month.

You can't meaningfully avoid this because you're not a doctor yourself.

>$170
*per month

yeah and we should take in all the migrants at the border too, right?
give them free shit too

>Protip: your doctor isn't trying to make you better
and now we enter the tinfoil hat realm, jfc...

They can declare bankruptcy if it's that serious and they can stay in my house until they get back on their feet.

>We had a healthcare thread on Jow Forums, not even 1 working European could say exactly how much they pay per month in taxes for healthcare.
I earn about 900 usd per month. I spend about 400 usd for expenses, rent, and generous food supply for one month. The rest is up to me to spend, but healthcare is usually not in this budget since it's paid for with taxes. I cost my employer more, but it's the same everywhere, so I don't feel it.

Simple as that.

the same can be said for private health insurance, you know

Because being slaves to Jews is the ultimate act of FREEDOM. Fucking yuropoors, worry about the muhammeds! You cante even own a rocket launcher!! LOL!!

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>yeah and we should take in all the migrants at the border too, right?
The problem with migrants is the crime they commit, not the migrant in and of itself.

'For because sentence is not speedily pronounced against the evil, the children of men commit evils without any fear.'
- Ecclesiastes 8:11

>yeah and we should take in all the migrants at the border too, right?
>give them free shit too
WTF? i hate healthcare now.

You wouldn't want to own a rocket launcher?

Does anybody in Europe know exactly how much they pay?

It's not enough for us to give a shit.

over-capitalism

Mine doesn't I don't lose a penny out of my paycheck, it's all out of my employer's pocket.

according to him we should take them in and I should give them my tax money
you take them, nobody else in the world wants these people

If you are so free why cant you own a modified flamethrower that launches weaponized black plague instead of fire? Check mate

>according to him we should take them in and I should give them my tax money
I never said such a thing.
Americans, I swear...

Okay, so we now have discovered there is absolutely no point in discussing healthcare costs because you don't even know what you pay

You would have to google that. Maybe it says that on the wage report. But you don't actually pay it. It's taken from what your boss pays for you and you never even see the money with other stuff. So it's not really something people know or care about.

see
We know how much the entire country spends, and it's way lower than what amerimutts spend, for systems that provide healthcare for 100% of the population

Americans see everybody outside their immediate family as equivalent to immigrant scum fyi. Everybody here fends for themselves.

>Implying i don't have one
I just got it after seeing your post, stupid cretin.

Yes, private costs more because it is better, some of the reason are here>With government healthcare you can't choose your own doctor, you can't choose what hospital you go to, you can't choose your treatment, you have no say in what medication you take, you can't see a specialist whenever you want, just like what you have.

>according to him we should take them in and I should give them my tax money
That's not even near to what he said in the post you replied to,is it?(not even same topic)

That’s because they aren’t real Christians and too ignorant to understand

But thats not true, you made that up and we still have private healthcare that is still much cheaper than American healthcare

We accepted close to 2 million Ukrainian migrants. Despite some discord generally people don't mind them. They assimilate well. Petty crime within standards and nothing spectacular.

Now, Muslims...

Yeah, I mean, it's all over net + you get reports nobody ever checks. They're compulsory for employers to give to their employees.

So okay, if I earn 3500 PLN net (923 USD), with additional things like said healthcare for employer it is 4927.30 PLN per month and the total cost with tax of the employer is 5937 PLN.

Pension is 480.95 PLN. Benefits in case of permanent sickness is 73.92 PLN. Universal healthcare is 120.73 + 382.70 PLN.

Payment in advance of income tax is 369 PLN.

This means that costs of employing are horrendous in Europe, and still unemployment is 0% - 12% unless you're a lazy sp*niard or gr**k/it*lian tax evader.

This pretty much breaks it down. It means that if I fall severely sick, society should be able to fund my treatment in full under the condition that there are available doctors (and there usually aren't - which is the systemic problem with universal healthcare, but it's best that it is there than that it isn't).

Is it worth it?
Hell yes, US system is so much worse.

>you're christian
>you must give free shit to all

>Even if you pay 20 pounds a month on healthcare, that's 10,080 euros in your lifetime

As the Bong said, it's absolutely nothing compared to the actual cost of healthcare, especially all the severa stuff that most people will end up having at old age.

>But thats not true
Those are the things I have seen europeans complain of many times here

The NHS is about 19% of government spending so it's safe to assume that 20% of whatever the take in taxes is going to that. I get taxed £350 a month, slightly higher than the rest of the UK because I live in Scotland, so I'm spending like £70 a month on healthcare.

Does the any American know exactly how much their next hospital visit will be?

yes? All who need it. You don't even know what Cgristianity is do you?

Wtf, I can choose my doctor. I chose my own family doctor and if I need to see the specialist, he’ll usually ask me which I prefer to see since he has to refer me to them.

>don't blame the corrupt system, blame the people designed to be taken advantage by it
Kill yourself mate.

We still use private healthcare. This is socially understood as additionally paying
1. For you to decrease the queue and have a treatment faster.
2. If your doctor happens to be shit and you know a better one for additional cash.

Once again people that don't understand our system complain.
Those who actually use our system like it.

Well europe isnt a country, since it sounds extremely nannystate im going to assume a british flag told you that, maybe it is the case for them, i wouldnt know.

>Those who actually use our system like it.
Those who actually use your system don't know any better...

>Does the any American know exactly how much their next hospital visit will be?
Yes

>Even if you pay 20 pounds a month on healthcare, that's 10,080 euros in your lifetime
So? You’ll definitely need it as you get older. You’re not gonna tell me that you’re never going to use healthcare in some way throughout your lifetime.

You pay MORE and receive WORSE treatment on average than you would if the USA had a first world healthcare system.

no no no, we hear about this awesome "free" shit all the time

You miraculously know how you're going to injure yourself or become sick and how much your insurance company will avoid paying?

OY

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>It's the system's fault that everybody wants to own two brand new cars, go on pricey vacations every year, and raise multiple children at the same time on an income that doesn't allow any leftovers
I have no sympathy

>With government healthcare you can't choose your own doctor, you can't choose what hospital you go to, you can't choose your treatment, you have no say in what medication you take, you can't see a specialist whenever you want, just like what you have.

In the US maybe, but here you can do all of that.

Cut the bullshit already, you intellectually bankrupt cretin.

Did you read my post? I don't pay anything
Employer covers it

>yeah and we should take in all the migrants at the border too, right?
Yes. Why do you want to pretend to be a Christian if you're not prepared to be one?
youtube.com/watch?v=yaqdFnjKClE

Hospital visits covered, doctors office $5, I have insurance

That's a pathetic strawman and you are fucking worthless human being.

>Did you read my post?
Yeah, and it's wrong.
>I don't pay anything
Yes, you fucking do. You're paying out the arse already with insurance, insurance that doesn't cover most serious things.
Americans who defend their atrocious healthcare system deserve colon cancer.