GET IN HERE

With a few hundreds.

Yes I know, pleb tier but I am in pleb country and just got some cashflow from shit job I got false advertised in while trying for a tech one.

>>new feud between plantation owners across the Pacific ocean.
I keep hearing this rumor and desu not sure if I completely buy into it.
I kind of get that feds(in the US) got their piece of the pie along with the rich buddies and right now are shaking shit up(unless it's a fucking cyberpunks fucking with feds-which I don't believe really) but why would that lead to the crazy BTC prices?
Don't get me wrong, I get that govs are in and trying to do something, I just question what exactly are they doing? I also know that the consensus among the guys is mostly that we are going insanely up...I just don't know why.

What are you waiting for by that time?
Not much we can predict that far into the future besides the few people who will buy for curiosity or because the value drops severely.
Ivan, I wish you would buy sooner
T. Boris

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can you give me a rundown as to whats happening with this rumor? first time i've heard of it. i know we are in a "war" but is it really this extreme?

I am more than sure that the US is the one that baked the original pie, but at the moment Eurasia is holding a good amount of that pie. The new feud is going to be over physical goods, not just gold and oil, but certainly land and slaves. Some of the highest quality slaves come from Europe and the US has been trying to lower the quality for a decade now. Also, a bunch of new technology is set to go on sale in the next 10 years, both sides of the Pacific are shorting the old stuff - for gold AND crypto.

The final redpill:
The powers that be know that their money printing scam can't go on forever so instead of riding it until collapse they started the system they will pivot to: Crypto.
They will initiate the collapse on their own schedule and make the entire finance system pivot to blockchain. When done they will have even more absolute power.

The good news is that they don't mind a few plebs getting rich in the process.

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This guy knows lol

The US is sick of being the world reserve currency, its not good unless you are a big manufacturing power, but they cant let anyone else become the reserve big dog.

I wish too Boris. But life was pizda the last few years.

Computer fried. Denbts. Usual pizda shit. Slowly getting back out of shit.

Thinking of somehow saving a bit over a hundred American dollars and get in this week with a good VPN after they get mixed.

Yes, Ivan done some research.

Only thing missing is a place to talk with people who play at the school swing with money.

But if I do I have no more money after bills since I don't trust the person who has to give me back the hundred I loaned to him, because he is addict, and I don't want to call babuska when I now have a job that induces desire to suicide.

This rumor is not new. It started to pop up openly around March, when the failed run up started(normies noticed Barts in April, but that war started in March really)
It's basically a belief that the governments(with Corp buddies)are in crypto and doing something.
Now, governments are in crypto since the beginning that much I'm certain of( well most of people are), but there are 2 versions of the rumor:
1)Govs are infighting using crypto aka Chinese Gov fighting with the US gov.
2)Old timers, cyberpunks etc are shaking govs out.
Both of these scenarios will, according to the rumor, lead to BTC's prices going
A) down, and replaced with some centralized gov controlled coin.
B) down, and crypto is kill
C) insanely up and govs will 5ie the fiat to BTC.
The version 1 C seems to be more and more prevalent, so I'm wondering why.
I mean it's obvious that something's up and that the game has changed.
And I'm guessing that one of these rumors is true. I just don't know which one.

>sick of being able to print infinite amounts of $
By the way the federal reserve is not part of the state

Yes sick of it. By definition you have to run a massive trade deficit to do it, which is bad for your local businesses.

That is a good theory. I'm noticing this shit too. There are rumors in goldbug community as well, and they go along the same lines basically. Most of them though are not in crypto.
I get that and I agree.
My question is
We know that they are doing something, but is this going to lead to higher BTC prices or are they going to replace it with their shit?
Normies want regulations and don't mind centralized shit(look at Ripple as one of the examples)
What I'm worried about is the fact that the market is fucking tiny and to destroy it or set some shitcoin above BTC is easy. Really, really easy.
Let's say they get BTC to $500k, and then crash it to 10k. You know they can do it. If done a few times with their coin not crashing as much, you have normies avoiding BTC(it's already happening to some degree- eth and Ltd are preferred methods of sending shut to/from exchanges, eth pairs are picking up the volume, eth did not crash worse than BTC this time around etc, etc)
I actually am in this shit for ideological reasons as well as for the money making possibilities, so I'm not a fan of the government, but I'm playing the devils advocate so we don't create an echo chamber here.

>BTC 50%
>ETH 25%
>LINK 20%
>ALT COINS 20%
>CRYPLET 5%
>Long shots 5%

i've been of this opinion too. based red pilled user

lol, the federal reserve OWNS the state!

>Pic related is you

The only question is what their coin is going to be or if they are going to diversify it among a couple coins and claim those coins are independent.

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The plan was to go back to a gold back currency after (((they))) had completely looted the American middle class. Satoshi Nakamoto threw bitcoin at them like a giant bomb from outer space. It was not part of the plan. We are in uncharted waters here. The future will be some combination of precious metals and (probably moreso) cryptos. Nobody knows what it will look like exactly, but the Russians and the Chinese will have the most influence over how it all works out.

whats this from?

Be on the lookout for something called “Amero”. Remember last winter, some news about a potential LTC/XMR merger. Just saying...

...
I suspected some fiat crash and reset to hard value that is monopolized by certain people.

But average human behavior gave me depressions. Still more depression since I fear even with crypto monkey wrench we are not going to escape our virtual prison aparatures without a confluence of similar developments forcing a hard reset. But then its new money vs old money, and a reboot of the same architecture of control and you need not be very smart to know who has a greater institutional knowledge and resources in that area.

Alas it is not a good idea to listen to depressive east europeans that periodically consider suicide and consume vast quantities of alcohol to forget their inability to affect any meaningful change of shit situations and get rid of their near genius perspective on the world because they are sick of playing the role of Cassandra IRL.

I was about to call you a moron, then I thought about it. Monero devs just kicked bitmain (China) off the network. In response bitmain has been crashing the price with no survivors. Really makes you think

Borrowed time. Always borrowed time.
Maybe a balkanization around new money if the old system is inadvertently hard crashed and plebs have no other local alternative.

But then lack of united strategy or ways to identify the old enemy.

And still shit life for everyone but the top...

Right. Alcohol.

I'm not that smart. I just see the analogies between where we are in crypto and the "Internet revolution" . The gov created the net, then it was supposed to be this open, uncensored miracle. What we got in reality is centralized, censored, gov controlled shut and the controlled opposition aka Tor.
I'm thinking we may end up with the crypto world split exactly the same way.
Since governments don't ( yet) control BTC it would make sense to set up shit to replace it.
The question is if we are united enough and the fight going on right now is going to settle it? ( the assumption here is that some cyberpunks are fighting, which is a very optimistic view)
>>Alas it is not a good idea to listen to depressive east europeans
Fucking LMAO
I'm Polish, living in the US. Dual citizenship.
You are so fucking right about that last bit it actually made me laugh hysterically.

I watched an old video years ago about some Nevada politician who befriended a Rockefeller. Rockefeller divulged to him that the dollar would me replaced by an “Amero”. A Euro esque borderless currency. When I read the news about potential merger I connected some dots. Far fetched, but not out of the realm. These folks always tell you what they plan to do beforehand.

Apparently footage of ayylmaos taking down a nuclear-tipped missile. New propulsion tech that's gonna make Mach20 look like childs play coming soon, missile strikes are now useless

Who? How many are ideology motivated vs profit motivated, can the financial motivated be swayed or guided by the ideologically motivated to not defect and do they have enough resources to financially war vs a effectively limitless resource pump on the other side?

I remember hearing about this too. Been looking to acquire the "Amero" as soon as it comes into existence... Basically I thought BTC was Amero back in 2010 lol just kept wrecking computers trying to acquire it

Valid points and that's why I said its a very optimistic view.
The BTC is not yet controlled by the governments. Not yet, but they are getting there.
Borrowed time indeed.
So in theory we have a chance, the reality is though that we are not organized and the financially motivated outnumber ideologically motivated 100:1 and basically don't give a shit what will happen.
Can we try to persuade them? Sure.
But the human nature gave me a depression too, so I don't believe the success is possible.

Me and you both

> tie the fiat to btcc
why do this? central rothschild banks have it as good as ever, they are the standard for money supply (they say what goes, and what goes is generally deficit spending every year which taxes goyim to support their own destruction through "welfare" nigger breeding programs and "refugee" nigger importation programs) and can also benefit the most from crashes by simmply engneering them and using the chaos to acquire more real goyim property.

tying fiat to crypto just backslides their authority, idont see why they would do that willingly, unless i am missing something completely

My theory is eithe the before stated neofeudalism shit around a new system or the ideologically motivated eating their want right now to guide the financially motivated and themselves into a nobility position to replace the current one. Then you have the situation before the absolute monarchy and have to find social fags to build network within this new class and start the assassin wars that would auto target any one who would marry in the old guard.

Long haul semi dynastic game. With a new paradigm the plans may change and timetables pushed back.

That would still be borrowed time but it would allow one to crystalize it due to a major block that will have the same end as the old nobility in France being painted as the enemy and cleaned out unless they manage to win.

Thus the only move I see is moving them via profit motive in a position that long term they have to realize that it is going to be them vs the others as the game changed from profit to control and power and the ones at the top suffer no competition to live.

>tfw missed the train to be part of the big players in the new shadowar
>tfw still hoping late entry is enough for the lower places
>tfw only a lottery win user plays twice a year can redress the situation
>tfw one would like to still do so for the glory of mankind
>tfw one realizes self chosen indoctrination and entertainment brought one to such thoughts
>tfw still gona go...

>thinks this is the bottom

lmao, you can't be serious

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One of the explanation that I heard that made the most sense is that BTC being what it is is a nearly perfect way to openly trace the wealth distribution, that is nearly impossible with fiat.
That theory sounds good if all of the govs decide to create one world currency.
And I somehow doubt that it's going to happen during our life times.
The Eurozone couldn't even convince all of the countries to adapt their Euro during the height of its popularity, so talking about one world currency is seeing 200 years into the future.
Otherwise tying fiat to crypto would be good if the fiat crash happened, the domino effect coming from running on very tucked up Keynesian theory for years now.
Some of the governments that saw the hyperinflation (example:Venezuela) are already doing just that.
One has to wonder why countries like Belarus, Venezuela, Belize, African shitholes etc etc are completely abolishing any regulations on crypto, and openly using it as a second currency almost.
These are all failed economies. Greece can be an example of when the crisis causes masses to ramp up BTC price.
The examples are plentiful. I'm not saying that the bankers like it, just that, sometimes, they have no say in the matter.
>>French revolution could be used as an example of how to fight and won the ideological war in crypto
You are genius user. Seriously.
Creating us vs them works, always did.
The financially motivated can be persuaded
Otherwise
Late entry is still early user. It's still not lost and this is just the start.
It's an aggressive start by the players right now, but it really is just the start.
And the infighting on the top is huge. Backstabbing, rumors, FUD, character assassinations do make them weak still.
The time when it stops, will be the time it's too late.

heavy bags you need to sell?

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Your argument is flawed becaue the internet is decentealized because there is not one government controls it in its entirety. We factually have many different, national internets, ans then many different forms to use the internet without linking to your identity. Im a hige sceptic myself and its true thw us military initiated the internet but they lost full control (which i think they never had)

I'm not saying that one government is in control of the internet. That would not be true.
But the internet is controlled by governments.
Let's say Joe Shmoe in the UK writes that muslims are shot and he hates them and would gladly shoot them in the head when he sees them.
He writes this on an open forum or God forbid, social media.
What happens then?
How many people went to prison for voicing their opinions on the Net?
How many people went to prison because they were doing "illegal" things on the internet?
If you can go to prison for voicing an opinion on the internet, because the government has the means to find you, and fast (and to clarify: I'm talking about an average user of the internet here) and then jail you, then that internet is controlled and censored.
Governments regulate the Internet and hence control it, and censor it.
The only opposition is Tor network and, trust me, it's an illusion too to a large degree as well.
And all in the name of fighting terrorism and crime LMAO
Sounds familiar?

Shit
Muslims are shit. Fucking autocorrect.

Joe shmoe shouldve posted from an internet cafe
That would've saved joe, right?

>Eth sats
Let's call them vits

Yes. Probably.
It doesn't change the fact that our Joe has to look for the ways to avoid being found. Which comes from the fact that the Internet is censored and controlled.
LOL

Countries not in Euro don't want it. The population. The Central Bank heads tell its on schedule or no comment or are revising, depending on who they have to pander.

Remember that Romania and Bulgaria never woted to become EU and the shengen and SAOARD/PHARE funds were shilled hard, and years later the access to this funds is under 10% with those counties sent contributors to the EU throughout almost their entire time...

What I like about cryoto is the promise of anonymity and theoretical hard value. Those two inherently favour the smaller players who have to hide from the giants if they want to fight and the pool will not be inflated via the pen/in a fictive way.

>genius
Thank you. Few people said that lately about myself. Well my ideas since when I open my mouth I tend to want to discuss serious shit, and usually have incomplete data or to little rethoric/dialectic skill but will still venture forth.

And thanks for the encouragement. Will see of addict relative can through some miracle fork out the 100+ Americans I loaned in a week so I can start playing with them after VPN+mixer. Dunno if that is enough to mask my entry but I hope it will be.

Also remembered that the French revolution is still contested hard in France. I recall people telling me you can get into irl fights over that shit still.

Anyway. If we want to affect some modifications to the current shit we would need to play position game, especially with our fractured nature and have a general block direction for both short and long term depending on situation.

The existence of a semi cohesive block in and of itself forces plans to need adjustment to work.

Would be more borrowed time, at the cost of more unwitting sacrifices if the financially motivated do not become cognizant of their latest position and act according to block thought leders/strategos. Then deploy us vs them.

Imho would be a wasted opportunity not to try since we have no idea when the next such thing happens

user post your LTC wallet.

i wonder if these conspiracy theories also existed in the other bear markets in the past.

still not buying your bags

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>tfw getting first walet while drunk.
>tfw lowered paranoia

Test only first.
Not want to waste money from good conversation partner as even drunk I know I am noob at this.

But its not the internet thats controlled
Its the device you use to interact with it
ID-sim cards
Internet providers
Devices bought via credit card
If you use a laptop thats not connected to you name and a ISP that doesnt require ID youre using the internet without being traceable
Not because the internet is governed but because your spy devices and ISPs are

It's not much cause I don't have much floating around and free to send, but that will get you started sooner than a week.

I was talking about an average internet user.
Of course there are ways to avoid being found, but none of them are fool proof and none of them protect you from being found if they really want to find you. They usually don't because of the lack of resources and the fact that wasting the resources on one Joe Shmoe is ...well a waste.
>>ID-sim cards
Internet providers
Devices bought via credit card
If you use a laptop thats not connected to you name and a ISP that doesnt require ID youre using the internet without being traceable
Not because the internet is governed but because your spy devices and ISPs are
user, what you are outlining is traceable because of government regulations. C'mon. Most of these corporation fought and lost with governments over protecting your privacy.
Not cause they are Angel's but because it costs them extra to track you.
But track you they have to.
In the US I have a choice of exactly 2 internet providers (excluding mobile), both of them will block my internet if I decide to see on Tor without precautions. Why?
Because the government is fighting terrorism lol

Annon!
... I ... thank you.

May I ask the motivation behind your generosity?

This is first time I receive money not from work or family. This is multiple firsts.

Because you are smart and because I came from nothing and was helped too, not in crypto but in real life.
When you make it, give some to someone too. Someone less fortunate or in deep shit.

And seriously, no thanks necessary. At all. Not a problem.

Yea but that doesnt change the fact that you can get an old laptop and sit in a piblic area and use public wifi, does it? What im saying is this: the government can not effectively control the internet, as in the can not say "there will be no more monero transactions from now on!"
Theyd have to turn the internet off, like turkey
They lost control, if they had any in the first place

Understood senpai.

Training to know what I get into while I amass funds for proper security and not plep mobile device.
Black/grey(no ID second hand) market laptop and free WiFi leech while VPN.

Now I have to consider such and time to use.

Going from theoretical cyberpunk keyboard warrior to practical.

We are missing only a few aesthetic elements.

Also a semi trustworthy VPN to not give out location without forcing people to jump a little through beurocracy.

A thing I did not need until I do.

How much did he give you? Im lazy to check but amazed by this kind act

Whats the current ant hill

im kind of lost in all this, just need an honest answer

Can i ask you what youre planning to do? I dont want to be insulting but you sound a bit,,, grandiose?

>tfw literally went all in the day before the dump

at what point do I give up?

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Only .39 ltc.
Not much but all I could send now.
You are right in that, obviously. But as it happened with the net which was supposed to be an open, uncensored medium, it's slowly happening with crypto. A death by a thousand cuts. We are going from open and anonymous to controlledand censored where you will have to find a VPN and an open public wifi equivalent to not be traced in crypto world.
And the governments can't shut crypto and they can't shut internet. Not completely. But look at China and their internet. It's doable, meaning, if they want to they will control it even further.
The tech savvy people will find the way of course, but the average Joe won't.
In crypto, right now you are pretty private still.
No one would be able to trace your LTC for example.
The problem is the fiat onramp and kyc rules. That's what will make it traceable, and it looks like that's where we are going.
Use payfair, Bisq, Abra etc to get fiat to crypto without being identified and for now you are good.

Wait it out. Seriously. Don't panic sell. Weare going up. Crypto is far FAR from over, regardless of the conspiracy theories that we toss around here.

Yep, already on it user. Buying up all my long term holds lower to reduce my cost average. I love crashing, the silence of the paid pajeets is wonderful.

The biz/ threads also jump in quality 10x every bear.

0.55 LTC by the looks of it. $58 at current price.

What polishUSannon funded?
Learn transaction fees and the various markets.
No protection remember?

Still funds like this promise anonymity. To a certain degree. Add multiple layers to work with that promise even if only half delivered.

Have hidden resources to do... stuff. Life, uncontrolled (directly at least) by various others at least in financial matters. But should Fortuna and Minerva grant it to be one of the players...
We are on Jow Forums...
Take a guess...

Bump 4 later this whole thread was good so far

give me your address and i'll send you some link.

I remember last year I belive some Bulgarians got sloppy and while the gov there could not get their Cryptos via the regular avenues, a dozen Jow Forums friendly blokes started with the rubber hose cryptography until they transfered the funds to the gov wallet...

So until you are little fish, yes. But rumours, accounting and tracking exist. Eventually if you do manage to break through those traces have to end in a good way for you, else, what happened there will happen somewhere else.

And over here the unconfirmed rumour is about 25 to 33% of the pop is under observation/listened/etc.

Just stored most likely, but enough to go into a more detailed history. And that is just the state supposedly, not the phone company that records everything they can like a friend told me.(unreliable but still, mass private convo and message storage)
I suspect the numbers are cumulative due to the sheer volume of data but I could be wrong...

Soon enough paranoia will not be a flaw for our esteemed community of chaners if things don't take a turn for the better,and even then it will only protect the comunit as a whole and not individuals. Too many paranoid fucks to deal with them all.

you are slower than aids.

Oh I completely agree that little fish is a waste of resources and that it's better safe then sorry.
I'm hoping to be one of these that will need to jump through hoops later.
I'm preparing too do so as well.
So far I was playing with pocket change.
I got in late, not 2018 late but late nonetheless. And I never invest more than I'm ready to lose, but the game changed and I changed too. I'm right now loading USD into the game. Still not anything that I'm not willing to lose but enough to have to think about the protection.
And it's a multimonth plan, because it's so hard already to get fiat into the system without a trace.
Theoretically speaking the money could come from gold that I could accumulate without being traced and now could be selling without being traced to get on a supposedly free market where I have to jump through hoops to not be traced already.
Anything over 10k usd in here is a huge risk of IRS getting involved.
Huh?
Aids ain't slow, but whatever.

Bulgaria you say? I'll research the track suit bold guy intervention. I haven't heard.
And here in the US 100% of population conversations and texts are "stored" and the guy who let the population know this is considered a traitor by many. Go figure. Sheep likes to be sheep.

My appolagies impatientannon.
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Had to get a multi coin wallet and got a bit sidetracked into transferring from one to another.
I'd love to track it down since I heard it on the tubes and the blokes usually put a link when they talk about news but it is getting late and I can't recalled the vid nr. But I am going to get back online at about the hour+1 this thread started and make a thread about it tomorrow if I can find it

Would be great. It would save me time and I'm interested in the subject for obvious reasons.

And not just the us population but anyone communicating with foreign nationals and those foreign nationals as well are under Carte Blanche for such measures I belive. Thus the habit to just store fucking everything and sort it out later.
But why would you have anything against the gov doing so? You have nothing to hide if you did nothing wrong.
Don't look into history and realise that this shit is what was done behind the iron curtain without the net and people who had the wrong ideas by decree of the Politburo or somone in the hierarchy got v&... And the was just with informants.

Oh the 25/33% here is not habitual. Here it is targeted. Potential political actors and support structures. You see, somehow the chiefs need insurance ce the the next regime won't change them with son puppet of theirs. They meet on he first day with a nice file about them, family ad friends should someone think of messing in their fiefdom. I mean they are top notch a what grey do supposedly, but imho it I a bit overkill for that.

I mean if it was just that I wold not have many problems since well, politicians(connection or wealth requirements), but the numbers do not tell that story, just a happy side effect most likely.

>>You have nothing to hide if you did nothing wrong.
Lol
Exactly. The people who are affected were not raised behind the iron curtain. Hopefully history won't repeat (yeah, right).
They don't understand how it works, how it goes from small to big and how the thought crime is already happening. They are the frog that is being cooked slowly and don't see the writing on the wall, although it is starting to change,not exactly in a direction I would like it to change, as it's still a direction of the big, authoritarian daddy government, but young people are waking up.
The question is if it's maybe too little, too late?
They think that KGB, Politburo, SB(in Poland) don't exist anymore or that they are not powerful or that they are just benign government agencies, I can only hope that they will understand that it isn't so.
Benevolent dictatorship is an oxymoron, but people seem to have a very short memory and fall for it every fucking time.
The politician targeting is nihil novi in our banana republic so I do get that.
And yes,the storage of data includes foreign nationals.
And no one asks how the fuck is that even legal.
No one asks because other governments use this data as well (that's my conspiracy theory if you wondered about the source lol)

I was just Lurking but I can't contain myself. The fact that we are having this level of discussion is making me comfier than ever. Restored some of the faith in crypto that I lost the past year.
We need more of this.
Less pajeets.
Less Shilling.
Moar redpilled people.

Thx guys for making my day.

Ask not what crypto can do for you

But what you can do for crypto

Beyond pouring in your pittance. 2017 was just a spark

So what's the play now then? BTC/ETH until alts show signs of recovery? Avoid alts until the shitcoin purge and buy the next batch? Load up on altcoins now?

I just can't imagine "big" money going anywhere besides BTC/ETH and I can't imagine new money will dive too deep into the altcoins market

what a thread, wow
well done guys

I know, right? Maybe the smart people will come back once the pajeets and normies clear out

patiently holding my PRL bags

buy it does dive deep, look at last bullrun every single shitcoin did 5x at the very least

they never left, they just couldnt be heard with all the pajeeting and constant shilling going on

Almost the same but more NEO than ETH

I can tell you what I'm doing but don't take this as a financial advice.
I'm buying big boys dollar cost average. Then I'll hold until the run up. Then I'll buy alts. More or less lol
Smart people never left. Biz/ is a place where you can always find threads to talk to smart people, they just rarely get to the first. Usually it's 20 responses max.
One reason I like bear market for is that threads that require thinking get actual interest.
This!
It's easy to lose faith when you surrounded with FOMO and people discussing moon shots only, but these threads happen all the time. Just look at night and into the less active threads.
I've been discussing the market in depth for years now on biz/ so if you look you'll find it.
And yet I'm surprised that this thread got as many responses as it did lol

This certainly turned out to be a good thread.
I agree with this. I've taken to instagram and twitter to spread awareness of crypto to the kids and normies. We are not even 10% started with what a crypto-backed world economy could be, maybe not even 5% yet. Now is certainly not the time to sell bags of any specific type, but to simply wake people up to the joys and dangers of making online transactions that don't feed yesterday's kings

I have been down the rabbit hole many times.
I hold this belief and at the same time think it's the stupidest conclusion I've ever come to.
I am the looking glass here.