He's still not a communist in the 21st century

Absolutely retarded

Communism inevitably leads to a permanent transition state (which is a single party authoritarian dictatorship) similar to the USSR or China until collapse or transition back to capitalism under worse conditions and even worse inequality since the political class controls 100% of the economy.

you'll be first in the gulag
then you havent been awakened in your class consciousness

Lol just abolish money dude labor vouchers totally aren't currency

This has to be a meme, I can't believe anyone would honestly think abolishing money would be a good idea

>neo fuedal
Capitalist citizens earn more, have better working conditions and have more political and general freedom than citizens under commie transition states.

In a few decades all the world will be socialist. Capitalism will be seen as a outdated system, much like how we see feudalism today.
Socialism, and then communism, is the nature evolution of society

You are not giving actual examples though just deflecting

Yeah lol the USSR and North Korea is the way of the future dude

the status quo has a death grip on your world view. you need to read some marxist literature asap. you'll probably disagree with it but it might just be the seed you need.
doesn't matter how much we earn, we're slaves and the state requires oppressed people to operate.

The marxist religion has a death grip on your world view. Science or reason simply can't penetrate. No matter how much we earn we're slaves? How? Money is hugely important to your living standards, happiness, and practical freedom

Good job if you're memeing and defaming commies btw

i was born a piss poor lower class hard worker
my only life choice to survive was back breaking construction jobs
but there i learned how to install electricity, i became an electrician
i obtained a marketable skill, i enjoy the market now
from a low class minwage person in serbia, i slowly became an upper class, high income self employed electrician who picks his own hours and his own jobs

the fuck do i need communism for???

Most countries over the world have similar brainwashing agendas.
One being communism is bad.
hard to convince people desu

this tb h.
stop spouting western propaganda
im not, it's hard to give an answer as 1. im not an expert, i just know where my principles lie and 2. there would be no good answer with my current conditioning under western imperialism due to how the environment in which i grew up morphed my information processing

Why do you keep repeating capitalist propaganda? I've heard this exact same words thousands of times before.
>Capitalist citizens earn more, have better working conditions and have more political and general freedom than citizens under commie transition states.
Labour aristocracy. The bourgeois oppress poorer countries so that they are able to use the surplus wealth to pay slightly better wages to workers in their homeland.
This is changing though. The tendency is that great capitalists will stop using the surplus wealth to pay workers in developed countries and will just invest everything in some third world country.
The current generation at average already gains less than the previous generation, and it's going to get worse and worse

>Whats holding you back from taking that final leap user?
i don't wanna jump off a cliff

oof, you think someone is joking because they possess a different view of the world? you're an ideologue

Communism is a jewish ideology to control the world. The state is never going to just wither away you absolute morons.

I grew past the age of 18. I guess you will someday too OP

>argument based on racist views
opinion discarded

Over 18 and still no job

Here's my beef with communism. Whenever somebody says that everything is owned by the people, it's not necessarily true. Communist governments have massive bureaus to manage everything for "the people", but is it really the people's if the bureaus own everything? Where does your average person have a say in all of this if the power swapped hands from private entities to massive bureaucracies?

im 26. a couple of years ago i tried very hard to be a fascist martinet like most capitalists, i regurgitated anti-communist talking points to provide myself comfort and security but it was all a lie. no one can truly be fulfilled in this system (unless you're part of the ruling class)

what are talking about "communist" governments having bureaucracies? a state is yet to achieve communism. if a communist state ever actually existed, then a government would not exist. you're just confusing the idea of communism with countries that have tried to achieve it.

Why do you keep repeating communist propaganda? I've heard that hundreds of times before.

In all seriousness though it is literally true that whenever there is a violent commie revolution the result is an authoritarian single party dictatorship that grows towards "muh automated luxury communism hurrr" at a slower rate than its capitalist peers and has no political or economic freedoms

You can't prohibit free capitalism and manage a closed entirely public economy without somebody balancing the books.

not in this culture. marxism means to uproot the entire meaning of civilisation and rebrand humanity as a whole. if we achieved communism, those things you mentioned aren't necessary.

That's why they need a stalinist transition state and a violent revolution for the time until the working classes have become truly class conscious :)

To be fair, fascism is still better than the liberal capitalism. Mussolini tried to elimate the capitalist class in the Italian Social Republic, but the germans prevented him.

Even Hitler knew the dangers of capitalists, but decide to press into the class solidariaty lie. The fact that many industrialists(notably Krupp) started sending their wealth overseas when Germany was losing prove it

How does one enforce communism without the government? What entity checks the national stockpile and makes sure it's distributed evenly if there is nobody to supervise? It's like trying to run a school with no teachers or administration, just hoping that the children go to school everyday and create lesson plans for themselves on their own free will.

>has no political or economic freedoms
Do you truly think you're free in the current system? The bourgeoisie owns the media and bribe your poltiicians

I don't work so i don't care

>It's like trying to run a school with no teachers or administration, just hoping that the children go to school everyday and create lesson plans for themselves on their own free will.
Schools are a great example of oppression. It was created by prussians with the sole purpose of brainwashing

>Whats holding you back from taking that final leap user?
The fact that a 20th century idea has 100 years worth of failures and around 100 million deaths is reason enough for me

To say otherwise is ignoring facts

>100 million deaths
This is as dumb as believing that 6 millions jews died in the Holocaust.
Even dumber in fact. This is Cold War propaganda

I'm considering myself more of a bolshevik, thank you very much

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stop saying the truth, monkey!

yeah let's just conveniently ignore all the deaths capitalism causes each year through poverty, suppression, exploitation and warfare, all in the name of western imperialism.
im not sure why you think a communist nation would operate somewhat similarly to a capitalist nation, it's an entirely different mode living.

based
i can't wait to start my own vanguard party in australia

education is super important I don't get where you're coming from. Real oppression would be to ban schooling so everybody does whatever you say like a drone of naive zombies. Also how do you expect society to progress if people aren't learning? People today are no smarter than people hundreds of years ago, we just take all of the hard work they've done for granted and build upon it, providing new information for the next generation to build upon.

but I am a socialist
a national socialist

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COMMIES PLS RESPOND ANYTIME

ive already figured this capitalism shit out, what do i need you for????

I just wanna destroy bourgeois and oligarch class, don't care what happens afterwards

schreck

I'm pointing out human nature, people need supervision or leadership while working together in a system or things fall apart rather quickly.

> Also how do you expect society to progress if people aren't learning?
People that want to learn will learn by themselves. School is for brainwashing.

Because it'll not be forever. Soonn the government will started inviting foreigners so that your wages will be lower

>ignore all the deaths
What deaths though, were is this happening?

What if nobody wants to learn? What if nobody wants to make shoes but there is a national demand for shoes?

I am a Theocratic Socialist so y'know

>people need supervision
based on what? do you mean people need to be domesticated and told how/what to think in order to survive? that might be true in this culture since it thrives on the lower class oppression. wrong-think is a powerful notion in our society, and you will notice any deviation from the status quo will be punished, unless exploitable of course.

lmao dude all countries in the world utilize communism.
its just that they label themselves as NOT communist and spread bad things about it.

Elections. You don't need mr. Shekelstein to rule over you to have organisation

jesus christ my dude..

tell me about communism

bruv
im (semi) skilled labor and ill be able to retire at 40 years of age
how will a illiterate somalian compromise my business? why would other skilled laborers come to serbia to compete with me about installing electricity in homes and lighting/sound in theaters etc??

>What if nobody wants to make shoes but there is a national demand for shoes?
Does it matter? If they don't make shoes they'll not eat

It's brainwashing only if you are not able to figure stuff out yourself, whether it being lazyness or economic factors.

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>this culture
no, i'm talking about human instinct. We are a pack species with natural hierarchies. Humans aren't a hivemind network that can cooperate together seamlessly, we need to be told what to do.

So every person in the nation is going to be elected a position?

>why would other skilled laborers come to serbia to compete with me about installing electricity in homes and lighting/sound in theaters etc??
When they notice that it's paying well.
>how will a illiterate somalian compromise my business?
I never said it would. Do you think that there are only electricians on Serbia?

brainleck

bullshit, it doesn't take long for young ones to neurally commit to a certain way of thinking, schools use this greatly to their advantage

And who is going to make the shoes? How do you dictate who does what job?

Im not saying its not exploitative, just give me an example of the deaths

>We are a pack species with natural hierarchies
we haven't been that way for over 200,000 years. we bare some resemblance to our ancestors, but it is not very relevant today. the people who believe we should always remain the apes of our past are probably part of the ruling class and want me to accept some sort of fate of existence.

They don't. Some guy assigns everybody's job in society and they are forced to do it whether they like it or not.

>It's brainwashing only if you are not able to figure stuff out yourself
How many seven year olds are able to do it?
The workers in shoe factory

and you notice how schools/media are overwhelmingly left wing shit holes. You are brainwashed yourself and don't even realize it.

ME wars. It's caused by capitalism because they want their oil

>Some guy assigns everybody's job in society and they are forced to do it whether they like it or not.
are you trying to say this doesn't happen in today's society? because im working in a job at the moment which i absolutely hate, it goes against all my principles and i can't thrive there but i need to live so ive no choice.

>do you think you are the only electrician in serbia
actually sort of
you see, we are getting brain drained from all skilled labor
our young and skilled people are leaving this country at rapid speeds

which leaves me heavy profits for remaining, my work has been steadily increasing in price, i can charge much more now than what my services were before

postcapfuture.com/manifesto/

I just told you that nobody wants to work in the shoe factory, now how do you dictate who gets to work there?

We have been that way 200,000 years, we hunt in packs to kill larger animals.

>do you mean people need to be domesticated and told how/what to think in order to survive?
Yes? Culture is what holds society together.
>wrong-think is a powerful notion in our society, and you will notice any deviation from the status quo will be punished
It's part of culture, you have to exclude and punish to make hierarchies, which make society to function.

they're not, they still bare marks of very old societal customs like gender roles, in order to pigeon hole us in social castes for our futures.

You can always quit your job and work somewhere else.

The modern left is financed by bankers and great industrialists.
They use the Lumpenproletariat as their weapons so that they may keep oppresing the proletariat

>I just told you that nobody wants to work in the shoe factory, now how do you dictate who gets to work there?
Necessity. People will work because they'll need to eat.
There are no free stuff in socialism. You either work, or you don't eat

Easier said than done. Only teenagers or useless NEETs that should be beheaded use this kind of argument

I believed this when I was 16. The world hasn't become more socialist though.

>not being a monarchist
ISHYGDDT

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100 million deaths or not, it's still be tried, and consequently failed, time and time again over 100 years. So much so, that essentially all communist countries have converted away, the fact that something has failed so many times that the pioneers of such a system have abandoned it shows multitudes of retardation

>yeah let's just conveniently ignore all the deaths capitalism causes each year through poverty
You mean like how Russia, currently right now, a former communist state, has more homeless people than Australia, the United States, the United Kingdom, France, Brazil, Germany, Canada, Italy, Mexico, Poland, Spain, Greece, South Korea and India COMBINED. Yeah, really seems like communism does work and capitalism isnt working for poverty huh

>suppression, exploitation and warfare, all in the name of western imperialism
Yeah, suppression, exploitation and warfare that resulted in some of the most peaceful, wealthy, equal countries in the world, one of which you're living in right now. Something communism has yet to even get close to achieve. Capitalism has achieved great things through bad ways, communism has achieved nothing through arguably worse ways, that doesnt make capitalism worse by any merit.

that doesn't quite tackle the issue at hand, because if i changed jobs, there would still be the issue of leading a dead end life to appease my overlords.

But there are other jobs that are easier and provide the same things, why go to the shoe factory if I can pick something easier?
it's different in first world countries. The average American holds 12-15 jobs in their lifetime.

It hasn't. The imperialism is already at fulll force. But it won't stay like that forever. The inherent contradictions of capitalism are becoming more and more evident.
One clear example is housing prices in the First World and the exportation of jobs to China.
Do you still believe in God?

> that essentially all communist countries have converted away
Name one communist country

Russia is not a socialist country. And it was never communist.

>You mean like how Russia, currently right now
russia disintegrated after a free market economy was implemented. they were thriving under the socialist regime
communism hasn't been achieved and you must first understand that before you begin to criticise countries that have "tried" """communism""".

>his country isn't a social market economy
if our politicians and most voters weren't self hating anti-Germans this would be almost a perfect system desu

post scarcity being fiction

One morning I woke up and in earnest thought about the state of the world from antiquity to its progression to the present day. After a month of thought and study I came to the conclusion that the future only offered up two paths, barbarism or socialism.

>But there are other jobs that are easier and provide the same things, why go to the shoe factory if I can pick something easier?
Because not everyone can work in the easy stuff.
>it's different in first world countries. The average American holds 12-15 jobs in their lifetime.
Do you enjoy being enslaved so that your superiors earn all the money you earn?

Do you believe that people who manager others and have substantially harder workloads should be paid the same as the worker bee?