Opinions on Male Engagement Rings

>REEE ALL WOMEN ARE WHORES EVERYONE CHEATS KEKOLD OBSESSION
cringe

I mean we're going to be living together. We're both like minded individuals who have personal morals that happen to match. Sure thousands of cases happen along side the thousands of cases that don't.

>if I do this thing countless thousands of people have tried before and failed I will surely succeed because I am special and the protagonist of life
sure bro

Consider livestreaming it when you do it.

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I would too suggest you to not get engaged so soon, but for the reason Latvian cites.

18 is too young to decide such an important thing. People change, especially when young. Take your time.. get to know each other.. and get engaged some 5-6 years later.

>thousands of cases that don't.
Do you actually know any case of an arrangement like this working out?

>People change, especially when young.
Especially when they are small town girls in college exposed to miles of chad cock from every direction.

>EVERYONE CHEATS REEEEE, KEK KEKOLD EVERYONE IS A KEK KEK
Get a grip, even if it were 50/50 that's still half of people who make it. You're a fucking pussy who tells yourself these bullshit Jow Forums memes so you have a cop out for trying you miserable weakminded coward.

Source for that pic?

You're just assuming all chicks are cock hungry Stacey. As for the case yes I've heard IRL, one that worked, none that haven't. Cases don't mean shit though, those are other people with other ideals, other experiences.

Take it down a notch you edgy piece of shit

I’m engaged now at 25, and I have to agree with the Indian guy, you’re almost definitely too young for this

y'know believe it or not the subject of engagement rings has never come up for me

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I appreciate the advice, neither her nor I have any wishes to be with anyone else, either if I propose soon or in a couple years we'll still be together. I guess there may be some stress with it being so early but I don't know, as you said I'm too young.

>but for the reason
but not for the reason.

I meant to say this.

>he thinks everybody doesn't cheat
Keep living in your fantasy land, retard
>50/50
It's 100/0

You think I'm saying that all women are "whores". What's really the case is that you have an unrealistic definition of "whore". You can't expect to put a normal person to stay loyal under these conditions, the incentives are simply too strong. She wouldn't have to be a normal girl, she would have to be a fucking saint.

allowing unironic christcucks to post on this site was the worst crime Jow Forums ever committed.

Yeah, slapping a ring on someone isn't going to dictate if they're going to be loyal or not, that isn't my intention. I already know she's loyal, honest etc. I thank you too for the advice.

Suck my dick you pathetic little runt. You're really just saying the same thing I am, but in a retarded plausibly deniable normalfag way.

I'm not living in a fantasy land, you're living in a fucking nightmare land because you're so mentally weak that you let memes on Jow Forums shape you're worldview
>100% of people cheat
Actually think for a second about how dumb and angry you really are you fool.

>I already know she's loyal, honest etc
You THINK she is. Damn near every guy who ever got cheated on "knew" his woman was loyal lmao.

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Everyone cheats, so I too will? Even though people who cheat in my mind are the scum of the Earth, you will say I will cheat? That's pretty rich, I would never afflict that upon my girlfriend nor would I ever want to for my sexual purposes or lack there of for other women Clearly you've been back stabbed too much or have absolutely no dating experience.

no you dont get it every single woman in history will cheat its a fact its not up for debate its true i know it because Jow Forums told me so and chad is lurking to steall your gf!

>100% of people cheat
That's not what I said you troglodyte. But what I did say
>~100% of people are going to cheat when presented with this very strong incentive to
Your black and white moralfag thinking blinds you to the fact that circumstances matter. Typical American trait - you just declare "cheating" to be some sort of absolute action that always has the exact same weight on people's minds, when it's anything but.

You're saying OP's girlfriend fits some ideal moralfag template of how women should be, I am saying she is just how humans actually are. When presented with strong incentives to do something and in the absence of equally strong disincentives, she will do it. Just like you will.

put a raised part on it with an engraved poo and then punch people with it leaving them with a poo mark on their face

I would literally never do it, are you this weakminded because you live in a depressing third world shithole where people have no morals or values?

Is it too hard to think that a woman just wants one man for her life, or at least for the remainder of a relationship?

Read you utter nitwit.

You don't understand people at all. This isn't reddit, people who point out that humans do not always act like how they would think humans SHOULD act under hypothetical circumstances don't simply get downvoted into invisibility.

"you don't understand people" and you do? Tell me about your relationships I'm honestly interested.

Some humans do it, some don't, some would never do it, some would always do it and some might do it. That's all there is to it.

>I would literally never do it,
Even if I held a gun to your head and told you I would murder your whole family if you did not do it?
What people rationally think they want and what people actually want are two different things. Otherwise everyone would be a steel-willed stoicist ideal. You are operating under the assumption of humans as spherical bodies in a vacuum. The truth is that your brain makes the decision to do something moment to moment by letting competing incentives fight it out. You have to be an exceedingly naive idealist to assume that the sterile first order approximation of humans as motivated purely by their rationally accepted axioms and derivations holds true in the real world, where even the smallest child has seen people act on impulse.
newscientist.com/article/dn13658-brain-scanner-predicts-your-future-moves/

That wouldn't be cheating that would be rape.

I have no sexual impulse for other women and even if I had, that wouldn't compel me to do something stupid. I'm not a fucking monkey or dog, I have a brain. Still wanna hear about your relationships.

>you do?
Define "understand". I understand the concept of incentives and disincentives, something that seems to be too much for your thick skull. I also understand that the average person isn't consciously aware of every single stimulus that shapes their decision making, and that assertions of absolutes about yourself or somebody else are just empty words.
>hurr durr you can't know shit
>some would never do it
You will struggle very hard to find a person who would not cheat if I held their whole family at gunpoint and forced them to. The rest is just negotiation about the specific decision threshold for the individual.

Your mental model of the human being is too simple, that's all I am saying. There are some crucial patterns in behaviour you are either not aware of or consciously rejecting. People who stick to their logically reasoned principles to the absolute end no matter what are exceptionally rare, and OP's girlfriend is not one of them.

So you're saying since you lack emotion that everyone else too lacks emotion and goes off caveman instinct of "I see big ass I want"? I'm going to assume you never had a relationship and you're an avid fan of Rick and Morty.

It would be cheating, you are just trying to wiggle out of the argument through semantics. The exact same way, I might add, many a cheating girlfriend tries to wiggle out of her act by claiming that it was rape because she was "vulnerable", "manipulated into it" or "drunk".

You said you would LITERALLY never cheat. I just proved you wrong. It's just a matter of incentives.
>I have no sexual impulse for other women
That is completely and utterly a lie. If you have any sexual impulse at all, you have a sexual impulse towards women in general. You're just very good at suppressing it, consciously or subconsciously. Alternately you are a wilful liar.
>I have a brain
Which is structured and works pretty much the same way a dog's or monkey's does. There is no "human cortex" in the brain. Just an exaggerated and more developed neocortex than all other animals, with a lot of processing power devoted to linguistic and symbolic thinking. But the basic architecture is the same and so is the essential behaviour of the system. Decisions get made by competing incentives.

If you acknowledge that
>I have a brain
you acknowledge that you are not some spherical ideal rational actor in a vacuum, you are an animal that has a lot of subconscious baggage and biological impulse prior to ever assuming a rational moral axiom.

Thanks for the ring discussion, it was interesting, semi you too

You are creating a strawman so you don't have to face my point. Even the most complicated notions are subject to the same rules of incentive/disincentive.

You dishonestly try to reduce my argument as stating that humans only operate on very simple incentives, which I never said. But humans still operate on incentives, which means the complex incentive to follow your rationally assumed moral axioms is always at odds with others, both simple and similarly complex.

>waah ur a virgin
>waah rick and morty
Refer to specifically the section quoted herein:
>Suck my dick you pathetic little runt

I mean do I watch porn? Sure sometimes, not often. I already have to be in a mood from something else, I like seeing a scenario being played out, one I imagined; rather then masturbating to some woman cause woman, like most men do.

Men don't wear engagement rings here.

if you wear rings you gay
either don't wear the ring or learn about your local public bathrooms with holes in the wall

Are you studying psychology and have you had first hand experience at a relationship? idgaf if you're a virgin I'm talking about hands on experience with shit you're preaching.

>I mean do I watch porn? Sure sometimes
See, you already refuted your point more strongly than I ever could with what was given to me before, proving me right in the process.

My point is that human sexual impulse isn't wired to respond to just a single specific individual, it's a much broader and more general set of functions. If you're monogamous and only ever aroused by a single woman, it's due to other incentives suppressing or preempting the sexual desire for other women, not the lack of sexual desire for other women to begin with. That's not something you can account for in an overly generalized model of ideal humans bashed out by some philosopher, because it is a particular quirk of the human brain. It doesn't hold true for any arbitrary rational actor but it does hold true for humans.

I'm not saying that I have only been sexually aroused by one woman, when I mean monogamous I mean only have sex, only kissing etc with one person until death or until the relationship ends.

I see, the only argument you are ultimately susceptible to is appeal to authority.

The fact that you even made this post shows that haven't really understood any of what I posted. Yes, I have plenty of first hand experience, but it's an irrelevant tangent that has nothing to do with my point you idiot.

Here's the long and short of it: I have a somewhat workable general understanding of the processes that shape human behaviour, you have an impenetrable black box. You refuse to even acknowledge the possibility of peering into the black box because it would force you to reconsider your comfortable misconceptions.

Well you already acknowledge having a sexual response to other women so I don't see the point of pursuing this tangent much further.

As I said, incentives. Your disincentives for cheating might be strong, but they aren't absolute. It's all a matter of price. What it would take for you to cheat. Maybe your price is much higher than that of many other people, but you never really know until it's been put to the test.

Which if we go back to the original subject, is OP's girlfriend. She may be loyal, but all that really means that her price is much higher than the average. College and long absence destroys a very large proportion of monogamous relationships because it tests the disincentive to cheat with very strong incentives.

I just assumed people saw monogamy as not wanting any other person physically, like actually going through with it. Sure people have their cravings, like when watching porn but they don't act on it with physical people, well a lot don't in relationships. Sorry for the whole miscommunication.

As OP, we have a plan to stay close IRL, my girlfriend is looking into non campus bound colleges and I'm looking into online courses.

rings don't plug holes
she's going on a cock train for 5 years then settle with your betabux
haha cuck

If you took the time to read through, I said exactly that, rings don't stop someone who is going to cheat anyways. And if you read even more you would see that we would be living together.

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it's OK i'm not judging, nothing wrong with being a cuck,it's a mainstream lifestyle ,i mean i wouldn't do it but you do you