What are you even supposed to talk about with girls? How do you get a gf and what do you do once when you get one?

This will get mocked but you're right.

>What's the point of seeking shallow unfulfilling relationships with someone you have nothing in common with anyways?
Because pick up "artists" don't want relationships
>These kinds of books are absolute jokes anyways and would probably be used better as firewood;
This is true
This is true though

>whatever you'd talk about with male friends except for some specific topics that girls typically don't like (car stuff, weaponry,
What if everything I talk about with my friends is stuff girls typically don't like?

I don't think I have any interests in common with the average w*man at all.

>get a gf
>realise you don't really need, and never needed a gf
>break up with gf
>live free of illusions and social norms

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Well, like what? Like I said, for some of the stuff you can keep it light as you would for any normie that might not know what you're talking about, and maybe you'll get lucky with a girl that does like that stuff or likes you enough to pretend that she does.

>I never understand this attitude that women are some sort of extraterrestrial creatures that you need to study in order to talk with.
That's because you are a fucking retard with no theory of mind and an inability to understand that not everybody is like you. Just because you are doing something subconsciously does not mean you are not doing it. You just happened to naturally develop an intuition of the social dynamics of interacting with women during your formative years. You did something that produced positive results and stuck with it. Many guys don't and have to study it consciously before they can do it successfully.

This is why pol9k calls you an npc. You are not aware of your own actions or the impulses that shape your decisions.

>Well, like what?
(Mostly military) history
Politics
Geopolitics
General philosophy
Vidya (of the autistic sort that no f*males play)
Planes
Cars
Guns
W*men

That kind of stuff.

i let them talk first and then i lie and pretend i give a fuck about whatever shit comes out of their mouths

I really could give a fuck what anyone from either of those boards thinks of me.

My point is mostly that the more you distance yourself from women psychologically the more difficult it's going to be to have any normal interaction with them. Reading books about "The Art of Mackin'" or other such bullshit is certainly not going to help you interact in any healthy way with a woman, there's many other much better places to look if you want help with it.

If she likes you and your personality do you thin she'd just suddenly go away from you just because you don't have friends. Why would 6ou lack of friends affect how she likes your personality?

There are girls that like the first four, the rest is a bit harder but again, you might get lucky. It really depends on how you meet her (as in, is there anything connecting you together that gives you something to talk about or participate in) and what your goals with her are.

If is you you need to realize that interacting with women isn't that much different from interacting with anyone else, so he has a point. You really shouldn't feel the need to act that much different other than basic behavioral norms that are given when dealing with new people. "Othering" women is actually far more damaging than anything else and is ultimately fruitless.

If she's white, ask her to feel your black cock.

>do you think she'd just suddenly go away from you just because you don't have friends
Yes
>Why would your lack of friends affect how she likes your personality?
Because she'll think I'm a freak

>social anxiety isn't real

kys normie

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Well once you get out of middle school you won't have to worry about trivial bullshit like that.

>middle school
I'm 22, just a shut in loser who has zero romantic experience

Why would she think you're a freak for a lack of friends?

>there's many other much better places to look if you want help with it.
And that's where you're wrong. PUA might be cringy crap, but for many men it's the first inkling that they way women evaluate and select partners is very different from how men do it and how women claim they do it.

Generally somebody ends up reading PUA shit after being repeatedly lied to by supposed authority figures peddling idealistic romantic nonsense rather than acknowledging some less savoury truths about the process of human courtship. I went through a sort of PUA phase myself, and I remember exactly why I did it. I kept getting and finding "relationship advice" that was not only not producing any results, but also clearly and obviously wrong to any impartial observer. Then the first exposure to PUA-esque material onlin suddenly made so many seemingly nonsensical things fall into place.

Being a PUA might be cringy, but the basic model of courtship they use has far more predictive power than any normalnigger romantic just world fallacy crap you might want to start spouting in this thread.

>implying having no friends makes you a loser
Girls fawn over the lone-wolf archetype. Just learn how to be cool and having no friends won't matter.

Stop thinking that life is like middle school then, if she likes you she won't give a shit if you have friends or not.

>Generally speaking, whatever you'd talk about with male friends
>male friends

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If he learns how to be cool, he'll be self-sufficient, and won't need a gf

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>There are girls that like the first four
No, there are not. Some girls like to pretend they are interested in those subjects but they aren't.

Never went to normal middle school so I can't think things will be like it

That's not at all what I said, you can go back and read it again if you want. You're either trolling or not understanding what I mean. My social anxiety is so high some days I can barely force myself to get out of the house, I just don't have a backwards mentality when it comes to interactions with the fairer sex.

based self-pleasure-er

Sorry you feel that way, I've met girls that were and knew a lot about the subject matter and were great conversationalists.

>all kinds of social anxiety is the same

come on

why do you find it hard to understand that some of us found it hard to speak to girls?

>you you need to realize that interacting with women isn't that much different from interacting with anyone else,
But we're not talking about exchanging courtesies with the fucking cashier here, we're talking about courtship - which is very different from any interaction you would typically have with a male. Of course professional or casual interaction with women isn't any different than interacting with a man under similar circumstances. What you fail to realize is that there is a complex evaluation and negotiation dynamic going on before any consensual sexual interaction can take place. You just handle it subconsciously without ever being aware of it yourself.

That last part was cringe, everything else was spot on.

this lmao

No you haven't. I have never met a girl with more than superficial knowledge on any such subject. If they ever have deep knowledge of something like this it tends to also be very narrow. And women are much, much less likely to question morally charged axioms when they perceive that breaking with a given social norm might result in ostracism, which often makes philosiphical or political discussion pointless.

>What you fail to realize is that there is a complex evaluation and negotiation dynamic
That isn't true though. If PUA is working for you then have it, but a lot of it bullshit. I won't lie, dating is stressful so I'm happy I don't have to partake as I'm content with my relationship but none of that crap you're describing ever applied to my experiences.

If you started hitting on a random woman in the train the fantasy would be more likely to happen than any kind of success.

If it makes you happier to think that then have it, but I have met women who knew their shit. Or don't believe it if you don't want, whatever.

based and roastiepilled

>Some girls like to pretend
>Some

Some girls would like to pretend that they're into what you like, but that doesn't mean ALL women are like that, there are still others that are actually interested into the stuff you are. Women are not NPCs where they're coded to like one thing. They are more likely to like that 1 thing, the same way men are more likely to like cars per se, but some of these men are autistic degenerates that like MLP. Anything is possible, like women liking guns or men liking cross-dressing.

I'm sorry if I implied that, it can be tough. Best of luck with the chicas, amigo.

Girls will be into what ever you say as long as you're good looking or high status. Nothing past that matters

>That isn't true though
Yes it is.
>pua, anecdotes, yada yada
I am not talking about any of that you fuking automaton. Every single thing you do, every decision you make, is with respect to some internal reward function you are maybe not even aware of. This determines your every decision, not just sex. This is how agents are modelled everywhere from behavioural science to AI research, because that's how agents work.

When it comes to mating, there is an associated cost with it and an associated benefit. Both sides seek to find an optimal course of action. There are things that can raise the reward associated with the action - such as a good looking, healthy partner with strong genes - and there are things that can lower the reward (raise the cost) - such as an ugly partner. Then there are recursive aspects to it - somebody more likely to get laid will have kids more likely to get laid so he's a better bet - and strategies to raise your perceived value, and strategies to detect deception, etc etc etc. 99% of this doesn't even need to be conscious, animals have very complex mating strategies with much less intelligence to work with.

Behavioural biologists have been writing endless books about the topic for many many decades now, mathematical models have been used to derive aspects of mating strategies, so on and so forth. It's just not something you can deny.

You just prefer to ignore all this because
>1. You are too stupid to fully understand the logic
>2. You don't want to introduce uncertainty in the way you morally reason about the world
>3. You have never had the need to pay any conscious attention to it because you happened to be sufficiently successful at mating just by relying on your intuition to handle all the computation

Don't fucking lecture me.

I didn't say
>some of the girls interested in x are pretending
I said
>some of all girls pretend to be interested in x

The number of females who even pretend is so vanishingly small that it is effectively 0.

The amusing thing is you can only respond with your own anecdotes and simplistic, autistic "analyses" of your own childish world views but of course you'll like to pretend you're superior to everyone else. Good luck, I'm sure that's really working out well for you.

girls are generally stupid and very rarely have actual hobbies, you can talk to them about anything

>I have met women who knew their shit.
Only because you are a moron who can't tell parroting something somebody read in a book apart from actually knowing shit.

I don't deny intelligent women exist, I deny that women with the particular set of interests I have exist.

PUA will make you a man. If your dad loved you he would have showed you how to do all this

You're really lashing out at this, no need to be so upset. I'm sure you're slaying tons of models with your PUA techniques and mathematical models so why not go do that?

This
I mean i can have a conversation with women fine, thats not an issue.
I just didnt really end up socialising with women until i was 14-15 and that was just in passing though. And because of how it is now where its just not socially acceptable to be publically interested in a woman unless you're dating her i missed out on all that shit because it was grounds for laughter for everyone. So basically only the top of the social hierarchy suddenly turned up dating from somewhere outside the public eye.
Now its pretty much too late because with this shit there is no learn you just have to be good already

>simplistic, autistic "analyses"
Are you retarded or something? How is all of behavioural biology "simplistic, autistic analyses"?

I asserted that courtship is a process that involves a lot of assessment, negotiation and jockeying for superior position. You assert that it somehow doesn't exhibit any of these properties, when that's a completely retarded position to take because even the most clueless normalfag can see that things like looks, social status and wealth affect dating success. You are literally denying that the agent model is applicable to human courtship. You can pick up any book on the subject and see that I am right.

I have no clue. Im in my last year of electrical engineering and have maybe talked to 5 women during my time in college, andthoese were only because of group projects and lab classes. There were some instances where they talk to me first but i just stay silent and act like i didnt hear them, say "yeah" or "sure" and dont carry it on, or just walk away. Hoping to change that when i start grad school and hopefully get a qt gf that is doing a masters or phd

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>My dad didnt just make occasional heavy handed passive aggressive comments about me not having anything to do with girls and nothing else

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It's quite fruitless talking to you because you are quite literally too retarded to understand what I am saying. Always falling back on the low hanging fallacious jabs.

Here, let me put it in caveman for you:
>me: human courtship involves two agents evaluating each other and trying to gain an optimal outcome for themselves. This process can be studied.
>you: HURR DURR IM SPECIAL LOVE JUST HAPPENS LOL UR A VIRGIN

Whether or not I can get laid has nothing to do with the validity of the model I am using. In fact, if my model predicts that I am very unlikely to get laid for various reasons, and this prediction holds, it's supporting evidence for my model.

I don't know
Anytime I talk to a girl I always run out of things to say and we just keep talking about boring mundane shit
How the fuck am I supposed to talk about something interesting when most girls biggest interest is the fucking Office?

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Treat it as practice. Just shitpost. Send her memes. Ask her about herself or something completely ridiculous and keep going. I think your problem may be you yourself aren't that interesting so you have nothing to talk about or have a big ego. Most girls aren't that interesting but always have something to say. If she's giving you one word responses and you've been trying just move on.

>In fact, if my model predicts that I am very unlikely to get laid for various reasons, and this prediction holds, it's supporting evidence for my model.
kek

I don't really have problems talking to guys and having good and interesting conversations with them
idk on dates it just feels different, I think there's too much pressure. Also girls just aren't that interesting

I know it's a meme answer but just bee yourself. You can pretend that she's not a girl or something and talk like you usually talk with your friends or with relatives or any boys. Usual algorithm: ask a question, show interest, give some feedback, your story or you opinion, ask some more and so on - voila - that's how dialogues work
t.Girl

Not the person you've been talking to but honestly you've probably been talking to a woman. You are correct about everything but I'd let it go. I doubt you'll change its mind. That poster thinks day game and online game are the same from their original post. When it comes to attraction and talking to girls strictly through messages or online youre better off with proven approaches.

Even as a man if a girl sends me a shit 1 word reply or hey vs a girl who sends me something different or interesting I'm replying to the different/interesting one.