I do not understand why there is so little investment in Russia from the West.
That is, they go, but only in energy, minerals, wood and the like. Now, in connection with the sanctions, the ruble fell, the devaluation against the dollar in 2(!) time's.
Even the Chinese receive money one and a half times more than in Russia for the same work. Yes, in Russia there are problems with business, but for foreigners it was always the most good attitude. There are bureaucratic problems, but if you know how Russia works, they can be overcome ( corruption solves any Bureaucratic issues).
I'm not saying I should have invested in something risky. There are industries that are not raw materials and they have great growth prospects. For example, Russia has the world's largest arable land. The growth of agro in Russia now, even with sanctions and lack of funds 4.5%.
Why are there so few investments from the West?
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Because Russia is irrelevant shithole
t. Deripaska and co looking for more money.
Nobody is retarded enough to put their money in Russia.
Lying narrative from foreign funded shill.
From what I can remind: after 2014 Valio made bigger production in Russia, because of sanctions. Mercedes is building plant in Moscow oblast where they are planning to build cars. They are already producing vans and trucks in Russia.
> How do we counter the effects of sanctions on Russian economy?
> I know, let's advertise our incestment opportunities directly to the top community of young entrepreneurs!
stop invading neighbouring countries and posturing for war and maybe people will be more willing to do business with you, just a thought
>I do not understand why there is so little investment in Russia fr-
because no one wants to invest money in a country where you'll be robbed by the government
It's like asking why people won't invest in Venezuela, your government will likely pull another stupid stunt in the future so it's a risky investment. Investors like stability which is why UK economy got worse after the brexit vote
Nobody right now would ever invest in Russia. Most of us are scared shitless of Putin and/or view Russia with suspicion, animosity and dislike.
Eastern Europe has a pretty low opinion among us, especially Canadians for some reason (though we have a pretty big rural Ukrainian population that basically just votes an Anti-Russian MP to every parliament).
>I do not understand why there is so little investment in Russia from the West
Corruption is the main reason. Also war with Ukraine and state sponsored assassination are a bit intimidating for businessmen. In Russia we know the FSB would do anything to fuck us if we do something the Tsar don't like.
Because nobody wants their business investments be taken away by some regional oligarch. Out courts are corrupt, there's no rule of law, what do you expect?
Because your government is corrupt as fuck.
investing in a country run by a dictator has been shown repeatedly to be a risky move many times, if any pressure is put on the leader he will nationalize your business to show he's being 'tough on foreigners taking advantage of us'
>corruption solves any Bureaucratic issues
Corruption doesn't solve anything for businesss...
It means that your business can stop anytime if someone drop a higher bid on the people you pay. The only way to have a stable business environment is to have laws that are respected by everybody.
Lol
He is in London.
Tip how to spot shilling post:
Narrative OP, and shitton of monotonous rephrased narrative answers in thread without discussion.
So this thread is a western conspiracy right? Like everything negative about Russia.
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>give money to russia
>it disappears
take your pills buddy
But there was shitloads of foreign investment in Russia before the sanctions that limited them for Western companies. There's still a lot.
Not really. In certain stable countries that have corruption like Russia that's a common way to do business that corporations dont mind. It's a non-issue to them really.
I want to invest my cum in a Russian woman 1
Because putin cant smile.
Every other country has a leader who can into diplomacy. They lie, they smile, they doesnt try to threaten its potentional allies. Look at USA's PR agencies: usa is literally bombing goar fuckers in niddle of deserts via drones, stealing their national resources (mostly oil) and they are still considered as "good" guys everybody wants to make deals with.
What russia does? It threatens everybody around it. Face it, russia cant into diplomacy at all. Your image as warmongrels didnt change at all since WW2.
Start with getting leader or at least some representatives who actually have charisma, return ukraine back to ukraine and most importantly: start the talks about joining EU. The usa and china will shit themselves with fear with just hearing a possibility of russia boosting up EU with its influence and resources. In return EU will pump shitton of € into your infrastructure to a point where the greece's debt will look tiny.
You dont have to join EU in the end, just make other states think you want to. The investors and money will start roling.
there are different kinds of corruption. Most of it is bad. But some of it is helpful, and should be tolerated. It's a way to navigate around bad laws that shouldn't exist, or unworkable bureaucracies. There are entire countries that are only able to function because of black markets and petty corruption. Few would argue against the black market in North Korea, for example; even the government officials there have started to tolerate it more, cause it's one of the more efficient segments of their economy.
It's never the ideal situation, but the OP is right that corruption can soften the negative effects of shitty bureaucracy. Ideally, you'd fix the bureaucracy, and make it less stifling; you'd repeal the bad laws that shouldn't exist; but that's often easier said than done. In the mean time, things getting done with a little corruption to speed it up is better than nothing getting done at all.
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All this is there, but not as much as you think. Remember how the Bible said, " don't eat the hand of the nursing one."
In Russia and read the Bible, and fools the Communists held in the farthest corner on the circuit. If it was impossible to do business in the country, there would be no trade surplus positive. Although Russia is under sanctions, there is economic growth.
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Advertising is the engine of trade. (Karl Marx)
IT firm where I work has Brit investors
They even came to look at our crappy office in Zazhopinsk
I think you're wrong OP
there's obv not enough cause sanctions but investors arent stupid they know russian labor is cheap cause weak currency and product is good
That's right. Stereotypes pour I from Oh heads, as diarrhea
>Not really. In certain stable countries that have corruption like Russia that's a common way to do business that corporations dont mind. It's a non-issue to them really.
Well OP asked why there are no Western investments, not Russian investment. So the Western opinion on corruption is for me the reason. Your view may be different but it's not relevant.
I'm glad I'm wrong about that. I thought there weren't enough investors.
i thought you thought they oonly invest in minerals and wood
clearly they crave russian IT, for example, or I think Russian retail chains' shares sell well even compared to oil business
> Russia cant into diplomacy at all
> US can
you mistake diplomacy for soft power. at diplomacy (ie ability to make deals with foreign countries, maintain long term relationship and avoiding war) Russia is light years ahead. Not sure about current MGIMO crop, but our old diplonats core is pretty awesome
I wish i could invest in Ukraine.
The reason no one invests in Russia because whenever they do your retarded Putin plays at cold war or shoots down a civilian jet and then there are a bunch of sanctions and a bunch of head ache that investors dont like. Stick to killing Russians and muslims and you'll get a lot of investors.
that couldn't be the reason elese nobody would invest in US
investments are restricted by west sanctions.
I have already invested everything in Eastern Poland.
You are an italy tier economy with a MENA tier strongman. America is america.
Smaller than us actually, and much more undistributed
Idiot. You know nothing about Ukraine. Ukraine is a gangster rabble.
Russia is a police state. Even criminals in Russia under the control of the police and the FSB. All under control. And even corruption is under control.
This. The Us can afford to play the big boy.
Russia should focus on their economy.
Corruption&organized crime.
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Not believe... Is that true? If that's true, it's very clever.
you have to completely subdue to western capitalists and culture or you get nothing, there's no in-between
You know, Putin in 2004 asked to take him to the EU and NATO.
He put forward requirements for the country's legislation and the army. In 2007, he did everything.
And sent him to go Fuck himself. Then he in 2007 in Dresden (got it in YouTube), said that it would oppose the West and sees him as the enemy.
Russia is a kleptocracy. Nobody is going to spend money on something and then have it scammed away on some bullshit excuse. The only way out is revolution or death.
Anybody can see how "good" russia is in diplomacy with all the sanctions. No matter where you get your news from, the reality cant be changed nor ignored.
What the hell are you on about?
>I do not understand why there is so little investment in Russia
Corruption and sanctions. Won't even finish reading the rest of your garbage post.
Why would anyone invest any money in this hellhole if the money will just get stolen, the authorities will force you to bribe them and the industry won't survive anyway because of sanctions and inefficiency.
Because no one trusts Russians, not even Russians trust Russians, there's a reason your billionaires are investing all their money outside Russia
What do you mean revolution or death? These are the words of a young maximalist.
In the 20th century Russia has already passed the revolution with the crazy Communists. Then 15 million people died. And when you consider the GULAG and world war 2, it killed 55 million.
Kleptocracy - a government of thieves. What do you think is better, the power of thieves, or murderers!? (question rhetorical)
>Although Russia is under sanctions, there is economic growth.
this has fuck all to do with your government and everything to do with global resource prices. Putin rode the coincidental wave of peaking oil prices to popularity and uneducated russians believe he brought prosperity.
What does diplomacy and business have to do with it?!
These things should be separated. Although politics and Economics depend on each other, they are not the same.
Easy to get that perception when compared with the total collapse and misery during the Yelts*n years.
www.kommersant.ru/doc/142046
I understand why they believe it, but that doesn't make it right.
These are stereotypes. Not all so, although there is no smoke without fire. You're partly right. Look in YouTube and you will find that in Russia many foreign citizens and companies do business. Just need to know the rules of the game.
> Even criminals in Russia under the control of the police and the FSB.
As Chinese wisdom says, controlling oneself is true power.
kek
she's made for BBC
>stockmann, castorama, k-rauta pull out
>a-at least valio is still here
>in this timeline Russia didn't join the EU in the 90s
Fug
So according to this theory Putin reacted like a child who was butthurt instead of trying to continue reaching an agreement with people who obviously had different views...
Provocations only generate more provocations, it will never be useful for peace and cooperation.
What do you think cooperation is?
You want to fuck my wife and then my mom? You know, I don't agree to that kind of cooperation. It's not in my national interest.
>Why are there so few investments from the West?
Because the only people with the money to do those kinds of investments are only interested in investing to either scam the nation and pick the bones(like Bill Browder), or advance a particular political agenda, which right now is bring Russia back to its knees before the Internationalists.
>the devaluation against the dollar in 2(!) time's.
We need to stop using the dollar. Ban forex for dollar but allow for all other currencies. There is no reason for a currency devaluate 20% in a year when the inflation is only 4%.
Remembered a good song about standing on her knees. Sings black American.
In General, 2 months ago Trump himself said that the ruble devalued Putin artificially. Got his Twitter.
China devalued the yuan in the same way.
This is not an honest way to attract investors to the country. If you look, the devaluation is the theft of money from citizens, devaluation of them.
>stockmann
u wot.
I just googled, they are here and have started internet-shop this year
>castorama
I heard about them but never saw any their shops. they probably failed, because market is already belongs to OBI and Leroy Merlin
>k-rauta
I don't even know what is it
>castorama
I just googled and found their site and that they got few shops in Russia, including 6 in Moscow surroundings.
>ability to make deals with foreign countries Russia is light years ahead
>our old diplonats core is pretty awesome
lol
Russia's deals are buying up politicians and media in small shit countries like mine so we can pump some billions in Russia.
Lmao are you dumb? The buggest investors in Russia are the UK
Hahaha what a dumb thread
>The buggest investors in Russia are the UK
It's mostly repatriation of olygarch's money they have started to return after realisation, they are in bigger danger there than in Russia.
Huh that’s interesting, but I’m sure we can agree Russia hasn’t been particularly welcoming of the west either.
The fact that there is constantly tentions between the west and Russia means western companies see it as a dangerous venture.
Still there are companies such as Leroy Merlin (french) that come around and I don’t know about Renault and Peugeot for example? Do you see these cars often?
Renault owns Lada. They both share like may be half of car market.
Damn that’s massive, Renault also own Nissan so it’s must be even a bit more.
So this is only France, are you sure the West invests that little into Russia?
>The fact that there is constantly tentions between the west and Russia means western companies see it as a dangerous venture.
How are this related? Western companies work in Russia until it's directly forbidden by any sanction law. I wonder how it is possible, but there are Auchan in Crimea and official Nike, Adidas, Puma, Samsung shops there.
Renault is owner of Lada. Pegaut is officially sell cars here.
Well m8 I was just trying to find a reason why there would be so little investment from the West but apparently that’s not the case :smileyface:
So the same thing like they do from the West?
Investors want to be represented in government / private companies decision -the reason the french revolution happened basically- . This is what constantly happens in Europe. See Italy's case, our government wanted to pass a financial law that was a bit controversial, the state bonds value insta-dropped to a minimum. The same applies to private companies. If your government want to take decision that do not appease the markets, no cash. Furthermore most of the capitals are in the hand of a selected few who follow who knows which rule told by whom. Honestly they aren't that much reliable but at least most of the time they follow simple economic teachings.
>I just googled, they are here and have started internet-shop this year
No, their original owners jumped ship. Someone local took over.
>I just googled and found their site and that they got few shops in Russia, including 6 in Moscow surroundings.
Not for long, they officially announced closure 6 weeks ago
Ah, yes, Russian propaganda 101:
>We do bad things, but the West is doing exactly the same!
>propaganda
More like diplomacy and soft power projection 101
>Not for long, they officially announced closure 6 weeks ago
I googled again. Problems of Castorama are not related with Russia. It's problems of global shrinking business. They are closing business in Spain, Portugal too.
Didn't found much in news about Stockmann. But yeah, it looks like they sold whole business in Russia, but let them to use brand.
Overall. Global economics is shrinking right now, so companies leaving expansion markets are normal thing.
Sanctions and corruption, I assume. Lithuania's economic ties are growing with Russia even despite the sanctions. I magine what could have been if Putin wasn't trying to play conqueror in 21st century Europe.
because that money and support would certainly be misused, simple
>power
What power. You're a weak country that still believe it is a major power center.
Attacking other countries and sponsoring assassinations in Western countries are huge mistakes in your position.
No Western government is responsible for the pure evil things your country did.
And I'm not American so American crimes don't change anything in my view of what your government did.
>No Western government is responsible for the pure evil things your country did.
Always thought you mountain jews are smarter than that. A shame.
>Yes, in Russia there are problems with business, but for foreigners it was always the most good attitude. There are bureaucratic problems, but if you know how Russia works, they can be overcome ( corruption solves any Bureaucratic issues).
here's why
Maybe you're the dumb one.
Why? I do not understand.
Russia is still the center of power and power, has a zone of responsibility, has a zone of interests, has a full range of nuclear, chemical and physical weapons, has an army of 1 million people, has a country area of 20% of the world's land, has huge reserves of resources, has 146 million population, has several republics, which makes it the ONLY continental EMPIRE on earth. BUT one Empire in the world could not conquer Muslim countries, and Russia has 3 of them,and 4 more in vassals.
Step one make huge investment.
Step two russia gets sanctioned again
Step three watch as your money turns to poo.
The political situation makes it too risky. If russia ever manages to become part of the west we can talk.
>Global economics is shrinking right now
that's what Kiselev tells you on zombojashchik ? global economy has its heyday right now, almost all EU countries have the highest GDP growth for a decade
Because investing in Russia is like investing in Nigeria to be fair
why are swiss so cringe?
>I do not understand why there is so little investment in Russia from the West.
Why would anyone set up a business in Russia first?
If it was about a business aimed at the local population, it doesn't make much sense, since the local population is mostly very poor therefore they're pretty irrelevant as potential consumers for many global brands.
If it was about a business directed at rich countries, there are better states to build factories in, like eastern EU.
>( corruption solves any Bureaucratic issues).
well, this mentality may be one of the reasons why so few investments come to your country. You have to imagine that not every western investors wants to pay bribes (no one knows how much) and be blackmailed by officials then (if you don't pay us more, we will reveal publicly that you bribed someone, nationalize your business and put you in jail).
only the biggest firms can "afford" to pay bribes (to carry both financial and political/legal burden) and these biggest firms are already in Russia. But don't expect to attract any other investors with such a policy.