What killed philosophy? Is philosophy dead in your country?

You're just a brainlet

Philosophy died when Nietzsche declared the death of God

>what killed philosophy
science
whatever philosophers do, scientists do better

philosophy is for useless brainlets who want to be intellectual but cant do math so they cope with a philosophy degree while working in the fast food/service industry

>when you can’t stop getting fucked by Kant and Hegel
Stay mad materialist bugman

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Same thing that killed religion. Increasing material wealth means less need for cope beliefs but that's not necessarily a good thing.

the scientific method

Philosophers that can't do math aren't philosophers. There's something called philosophy of science too

>what is logic
You stupid slav

I am a philosopher.

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There's a reason scientists have a doctor of philosophy degree m8

Practical knowledge

Liberals became nihilists, conservatives went crazy.

You

America is philosophy.

It's weird to me how batshit crazy protestant conservatives are. It feels like a good portion of them miss the entire point of Christianity. It's part of the reason a return to Christendom will never happen.

find me a philosophical paper that use strict formal mathematical proof or empirical experiments to justify their theories

pro tip: you wont
philosophy is literally muh feelings based, on the same level of usefulness as academic rap battles or academic twerking studies

Yeah. Christianity is dead

Have you never heard of analytic philosophy? The entire point of it is to make arguments using logical forms and using empirical evidence to justify the assumptions they make.

>empirical experiments
Next you are going to say peer-reviewed, gtfo

Low quality bait

check , everything philosophers do scientists do better

there is a reason even construction workers and electricians make 10 times what a philosophy phd makes

AHAHAHAHAHAHA

lol, some philosophers makes millions writing books

Show me the scientific experiment that defines what knowledge is, or what consciousness is, or defines morality.

Don't bother, he read some blog about metaphysics

These aren't scientific questions.
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>These aren't scientific questions.
I know. That doesn't mean they're not worthwhile, or interesting questions.

Philosophy is for faggots that have too much time in their hands and try to rationalize their mental illness(es)

HAHAHAHAHA
Here’s a whole book full of them

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>lemme focus on exceptions real quick
philosophers that do that prolly didnt even need philosophy

but here's the thing tho: i dont have to debate how many angels can dance on a pin, no one does

in the day and age of science, philosophy is just a waste of time, doesnt matter if you want to improve aeronautics or make better composite fiber materials or improve a ramjet engine, or do anything useful that pays, you just dont need philosophy to do it

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Right there you are making the claim that the only things worth doing are things that pay. Can you prove that using science? No, it's a philosophical opinion. You are engaging in philosophy.

What's the point of Christianity?

Why's this guy such an condescending maggot, when he's just another minor mathematician

Provides a common metaphysical and moral framework, allowing different nations to come together based on shared values. Not that Christianity is the only way to do that, there must be a better way. I just don't know what it is.

ahahah actually laughed, gj korea

That's one point of view. Another would be that these questions are too immaterial and subjective to provide a concrete answer.
For example, I consider morals largely a social construct which were developed to help humans form functional societies.

>you are engaging in philosophy
look everyone, im engaging in philosophy! i can engage in philosophy without formal education in philosophy!

therefore i should focus on a formal education in heart surgery, bridge building, and all the other useful shit i cant engage in instead

there, dont need a formal education in philosophy to engage in philosophy, its not like there are any serious consequences when you engage in philosophy like there is in heart surgery or bridge building, so why even give a shit about philosophy?

you know you are a bottom tier useless cunt when not even you can justify your own field of interest

stop posting

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its just bantz

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>you know you are a bottom tier useless cunt when not even you can justify your own field of interest
I'm a computer science major with a lucrative job lined up when I graduate. Not that saying that makes your post any more embarrassing. Google logical positivism, everything you think has been disproven.

not even a stemfag but philosophy is so abstruse and technical nowadays that it has zero bearing on society, science, or our institutions (with the exception of critical theory because of identity politics, but that's really detached from mainstream academic philosophy)

imagine being this STEMfag

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how is logical positivism disproven? there's that and then there's "muh feelings" useless bullshit
if the thing we are discussing doesnt even exist, why should we even care?

>if the thing we are discussing doesnt even exist, why should we even care?
Wut? So knowledge doesn't exist? Morality doesn't exist? Are you retarded?

Heart surgery is just hydraulics and sewing, bridge building is just lego work nowadays, you don't need a brain to do that, it's basic tool use

Going to have to take the Serb's side. Progress isn't made in philosophy unlike other fields of study. Philosophers today are still asking themselves the same questions they were asking 2000 years ago.
The problem is that there are very few real-world questions that you can answer without empirical evidence, and once you involve empirical evidence you start becoming a science.
Philosophers can have literally infinitely many different interpretations of something, but without evidence, it's all moot. Take Plato's theory of forms. He's basically saying "uhh lmao this entire separate reality exists because basically I thought about it really hard." If a scientist tried doing this, he would be laughed out of his career. I can come up with a million different ideas on the nature of knowledge or reality, just like how I can come up with a million different ideas on the nature of photosynthesis, but without proper evidence it's all useless.

To make me a multi-millionaire
T. Joel Oosten

>Philosophy is just one area of expertise among many disciplines for criticism and intellectual pleasure!!
literally cancer

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Jesus died for your sins
So sin like crazy

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>knowledge doesnt exist
it exists as memory in our brains and neurons
>morality doesnt exist
it literally doesnt

any other questions?
if x doenst exist empirically, it just doesnt exist, it just isnt there, philosophers who think about stuff that doesnt exist are all wasting their time, and if they are thinking about concrete stuff, scientist do that better anyway

Holy shit. You don’t deserve to live in my country if that’s how you interpreted Plato’s realm of forms.

>it exists as memory in our brains and neurons
So define knowledge in terms of neurons then. Prove it to me empirically if you're so sure.

>it literally doesnt
So you'd rape a child if there was zero chance you'd get in trouble for it? You're disgusting.

>Take Plato's theory of forms
That's the problem, you all just stop reading after elementary school, and in the same way that science has got more refined, philosophy has, we just can't start threads about it here because there's like 6 guys that will post and 4 of them will discuss, this is Jow Forums man, and even in /his/ this kind of discussion will be derailed by your average misinformed robot

I understand the realm of forms. What I mean to say is that Plato claimed that this separate reality must exist, and his only evidence was his reasoning (specifically, that there must exist some perfect representation of what something truly is). My point is that reasoning alone isn't enough to show a truth.
I can come up with a perfectly logically self-consistent theory on how photosynthesis works, but without evidence it's crap.

>but without evidence it's crap.
Evidence is not objective, that's utopia

>My point is that reasoning alone isn't enough to show a truth.
So 2+2 = 4 is not a truth? It can be shown without any empirical evidence.

Philosophy is just human thought. As long as there humans around there will be philosophy.

just read academic articles about neurology if you care about that
>implying random implications
ive never said any of it, and what you said is just "muh feelings" basically
why arent my muh feelings opinions more correct than your muh feelings opinions anyway?

>coulda woulda shoulda
peak philosophy
impotent, useless, cant find a way, always finds an excuse

evidence gave us computers, phones, satellites, internet...
what has philosophy given us?

Intellectualism and critical thinking in general are dead in my country.

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>what you said is just "muh feelings" basically
It's not though, you failed to prove either of your positions empirically, so by your logic they're worthless.

True. I admit there are some facts that can be shown by reasoning alone (as I say here with "very few real-world questions...). However, there are very few. And practically none when you consider the complex questions philosophers try to discuss.

tl;dr early wittgenstein was right (at least i think ive never actually read him lmao)

Philosophy grants you liberty you dense fuck, what do you think lawyers do

i never understood people who pursued formal education in philosophy

how many divisions does a philosopher command, thanks to his formal education in philosophy? how many missiles does he produce? how much precision machining labor can he perform thanks to his philosophies?

you can always dismiss a philosopher, you can always tell him "lmao fuck off", you can always ignore him
if all philosophers magically disappeared, no one would notice

meanwhile if doctors and engineers disappeared, we'd basically return to stone ages, we'd be literally throwing rocks at the squirrels to feed ourselves, you cant tell these more useful people to fuck off without extreme suffering

>gets shown that his argument is contradictory
>makes the same argument
yeah, I can tell you're not a doctor or rocket scientist lol

>what has philosophy given us?
Liberty, Freedom, Human rights, modern science, equality, morality, psychology (though I think psychology is a meme), socialism, etc

I cannot think of a modern revolutionary in philosophy. It's way out of my sphere.
Give me some stuff that's less than 50 years old.

What's with the missiles fixation?

cant fit the explanation in the single post but basically missiles are the most important things for now categorically, i can go into it if you want

>liberty, socialism
i rest my case there
engineering gave us freedom, the reason you have freedom not to do agriculture for 15 hours a day, as was the historical norm everywhere, is because engineers gave us tractors and combines, not because philosophers did anything

philosopher today is just a useless cunt who cant do math but wants to feel intellectual anyway, just an insecure generic useless cunt desparate to mask his uselessness with pseudo intellectualism

I try to keep an open mind about philosophy, but that’s because I don’t know much about it. So can anyone explain what actually is philosophy? Also how relevant are philosophers of the past still?

no, literally no one can do this
wish i was memeing, gave it a shot myself, even had a good friend who is assistant professor at philosophy uni

ive got a feeling its just useless people who want to mask their uselessness with pseudo intellectualism that doesnt go anywhere, doesnt solve any practical problems (hell they actually just go around creating more problems), doesnt build anything, doesnt sell anything, doesnt do anything

i finally concluded they can be all safely ignored, and that there exist no reason to dedicate ones time to them

engineering gave us freedom, the reason you have freedom not to do agriculture for 15 hours a day, as was the historical norm everywhere, is because engineers gave us tractors and combines, not because philosophers did anything
Holy shit you are retarded. Can’t you comprehend that human rights and humanism were unheard of until around the 17th century. Your people would still likely be serfs without philosophy. No one thought human beings deserved rights simply for existing until philosophers ordained it. Without them you would be a slave with better tools you nonce.
>philosopher today is just a useless cunt who cant do math but wants to feel intellectual anyway, just an insecure generic useless cunt desparate to mask his uselessness with pseudo intellectualism
Name one (1) philosophy book you’ve actually read

First paragraph is meant to be quoted.

Islam which caused a rush amongst Hindus to just save their religion

So philosophers are the only ones imbued with the power to think up new things?

Philosophers are just NEETs who sit around all day trying to justify their personal prejudices or sexual fetishes.

this is true. any mathematician can get a degree in philosophy if they gave a damn. not all philosopher niggers can get a degree in mathematics. there is a reason why SAT, IQ, and other measure of intelligence use mathematical skills to measure intellect. philosophy is foofy bullshit.

>morality
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
*shits on your dumb brain*
even chimpanzees have degrees of morality. you don't need philosophy for morality gay n-word

basically yeah according to them, they think philosophy gave us all the good stuff while lack of philosophy caused all the bad stuff

so we arent doing farming 20 hours a day because philosophy gave us human rights, not because agricultural mechanization got invented
we arent suffering from polio and smallpox because philosophers did something, not because doctors cured these things
and so on

philosophers often claim philosophy directly influences our quality of life but i am still waiting to see ONE example of this
i think quality of life went up simply because natural sciences solved a lot of our problems

"Science" is just a word. And words are either assigned an objective meaning, or they're not. People will debate each other endlessly about what is or isn't science -Medicine? Engineering? The "Social Sciences"? None of them have any objective set of criteria to appeal to. They appeal to what feels like science to them. Which is shaped by what they were was "science" or not,and their own attempt at making sense of it. Which varies from person to person. It was implied that there was some real, innate distinction between science and non-science. The various stories spun to support this belief, of a scientific revolution, and a scientific method, are ahistorical and ungrounded in reality.The current sense of the word "science" was coined in the 19th century as a rebranding of "natural philosophy".

Those are philosophical questions, so therefore the only people who can posit answers to them are, by definition, philosophers. So yes, only philosophers can think about and answer those questions (their level of skill is uncorrelated with this however, becuase most people think philosophically from time to time and therefore are capable, in a limited manner compared to the trained philosopher, to answer these questions)

I like how you didn’t respond to me directly because you can’t argue that I’m wrong. Becuase if you did you would have to concede that human rights aren’t important. Lol

At least from this thread it seems to me that philosophers have some messianic delusions and believe themselves to be the only ones capable of pondering the questions of morality, knowledge and such.
I don’t even know how much of a brainlet do you have to be to believe that you can find axioms to start arguing about morality. It’s literally “I believe, you believe” with a lot of fluff for “proof“

scientific method, brainlet
google it
it defines science

>only us philosophers can answer this, bro, only we know things trust me
why
>because i said so! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Lol, why do you fellate an epistemological system? You've been told there's this one thing out there, "science", that causes all these things. There isn't. There's no science, there isn't even a scientific method (blogs.discovermagazine.com/crux/2015/10/28/scientific-method-myth/). The stories you've been taught about science are ahistorical and rooted in fantasy.

I gave reasoning dumbass. Only philosophers can answer philosophical questions becuase you have to think philosophically to answer them. However, anyone can think philosophically which was my point if you read what was in the brackets.

So you have your computer, you can now calculate fast, what do with it for the benefit of whom?

FREUD WAS LITERALLY A GUY WHO CAME UP WITH MENTAL GYMNASTICS TO EXPLAIN WHY HE WANTED TO FUCK HIS OWN MOTHER.

What do you mean by “think philosophically”?

>epistemological
I was afraid about throwing out big 20 year old words, you're just wasting your time these people are Jow Forums, they know a language and that defines them, show them entropy and watch the world burn