Non-red countries, please explain

There is absolutely nothing wrong with consensual sex between siblings

>legal for minors
>incest cp
Fucking hell

Besides people finding it gross what is even the problem as long as it's consensual?

Retarded babies.

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Look up "Finnish Heritage Disease", come back here and think about your question again.

The offspring is the problem. Even first cousin marriage leads to serious problems. The UK is having trouble with it right now because their Pakistani community has cousin marriage as the norm and the result is a fuckton of deformed/mentally impaired kids.

It’s degenerate as fuck

>alright FINE Giuseppe you can marry your cousin but don't go tell everyone it was ME who allowed it.

love it

this
makes no sense from a legal standpoint

This, this is why it should be illegal. You can't always rely on social pressure there's plenty of weirdos out there, we should take it further imo

suicide I suspect it's got something to do with inheritance and that part of the law + christian morals
cousin marriage is just christian morals spilling over I guess

>cousin
The chart is about sibilings

Incest causes birth defects, there's a reason it's taboo pretty much everywhere on the planet and causes revulsion in most people. It's natural to criminalise it

>lowkey incestaly

Some of us don't have to worry about a large portion of our population fucking their cousins and turning our country into an inbred shithole :^)

incest being looked down upon and causing revulsion I understand but criminalized is basically infringing on your personal rights if you think about it, the State keep stop you from procreating with whoever you want.
the State literally cannot stop you from fucking your sister either and it's useless to try, you can't criminalize relationships.

>You can't criminalize relationships
Pedoes, animal fuckers and necrophiliacs want a word with you. Though maybe saying necro's a relationship is stretching it.

all exploitative relationships and non consensual, it's completely different.

can't keep you* btw

>legal for same-sex siblings
>the republic of Gayreland

I guess that's true. Though the reason incest is illegal has nothing to do with the relationship itself, but the potential problems inbreeding creates for society. Look up Finnish heritage disease. It probably also has the added effect of stopping horny incels from grooming their little sister.

Imagine needing the government to make bean-counting regulations about sex instead of people having their own moral compasses and leaders and role models to turn to for guidance

If you're not inpregnating her I don't see the problem

I'm not really in favor of allowing marriage between siblings either but criminalizing the whole relationship is pretty dumb to me, like how do you enforce that? you start an investigation every time two siblings spend some time together to see if there's penetration going on?
I don't know, doesn't seem the job of the State to have a say in a consensual relationship as long as no part is being hurt or forced into doing things, and these things are inherent to the nature of the relationship.
humans have neurological adaptations that keep them from being attracted to siblings, but if these mechanisms happen to be fucked and not working I don't think a State can fix the problem by saying "yep, you go to jail now", I do hope siblings who are in a sexual relationships are wise enough to avoid having kids together but other than that I don't know.

>Legal for minors
>Legal for same sex siblings
Wtf

Obviously the police isn't going to go looking for incestous people the same way they are looking for drug dealers or robbers, but having the law in itself and upholding it for the cases that fall into their lap is dissuasive enough judging by the numbers and lack of kids being born with deformities or diseases related to incest.

>you can't criminalize relationships
Yes you can. Being gay was an arrest able offence until the 90s here

Why should anyone give a fuck about nonreproductive incest?

your point being? people were being gay anyway so what was the scope of that law?
as I said in my first post, criminalizing these things is christian morals spilling over.
of course every country has their own *inset religion/philosphy/idology* morals spilling over into politics and lawmaking.

>but having the law in itself and upholding it for the cases that fall into their lap is dissuasive enough
proof?
incest babies are extremely rare in (European) countries who don't have that law too, because we're hardwired to not like our siblings in a sexual way, but once it happens what's the point of persecuting these people via the judiciary system?
I mean you're potentially ruining their lives because they are attracted to each other, it would be much better to have counsel groups instead of making it a crime. just to say one possible alternative.

>your point being?
there is precedent for it. Laws have always been about limiting an individuals freedom in order to establish some form of societal order.

I'm not saying there's no precedent lmao where did you get that from?
I'm saying that my opinion is that it's useless and kind of limiting freedom on a thing that largely escapes State control and falls into the personal freedom of citizens.

Non-red countries, please explain.

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thats not true how many gay relationships do you think there were when it was illegal compared to now?

less relationships but about the same amount of homosexuals?
they weren't so loud about it obviously and many people probably repressed it but I don't think lawmaking directly impacts sexual preferences. homosexuality is a thing of humans that has always existed.

Yes, and just like crime will always exist but we don't get rid of laws.

>Morals
>In 2019
Strip yourself from the shackles of religion.Glory to the humans.

I think it’s quite absurd for an ethics system to exist in which killing and raping animals for food is okay but just having sex with them for the intention of mutual pleasure isn’t.

why wouldn't you want to fuck your horses and goats?

Don’t be silly. Your morals can simply consider incest fine.

as long as you're not hurting anyone the State should not interfere.
crimes are largely also defined by the moral standards of a society but we can agree that the majority also cause harm to other people or limit their freedom.
things like homosexuality and incestuous relationships, as long as they are consensual, literally don't hurt anybody so you're advocating a bureaucratic State who has the power to limit that freedom, I think that's a shit deal but that's just my opinion.

>maximum of life in prison
WTF Ireland??? Bestiality is fucked up, but life??

Bestiality is not fucked up. It’s simple fun between sentient beings.

Something doesn't have to physically hurt someone for it to do damage. Incest would destroy a family if the parents found out.
And anyway the main reason incest is illegal is because the majority of it is rape, its not some normal relationship that you're making it out to be

Change social norms to the point that the parents don’t care. Many parents would also be upset if they discovered their child was homosexual. Doesn’t make their ire just or relevant to the legal status of it.

lmao I'm not advocating for incest being a normal type of relationship, you're the one speculating that the majority is rape (which there's already a law for).
OP's pic says "consensual sex between siblings"and I'm talking about that only.

>Incest would destroy a family if the parents found out.
so? it still shouldn't be illegal

>main reason incest is illegal is because the majority of it is rape

That’s why rape is illegal, shithead. No need to add a separate law for incest.

red countries, explain yourselves

>Incest would destroy a family if the parents found out.
so? it still shouldn't be illegal
yeah, I get it. You care about freedumb and fuck the larger consequences

rape is already a very hard crime to prove, that's why there is a specific law for incest where grooming would be involved for years.

> larger consequences
according to you again.

> that's why there is a specific law for incest where grooming would be involved for years.
that's obvioulsy not the same law that prohibits "consensual sex"

>rape is already a very hard crime to prove, that's why there is a specific law for incest where grooming would be involved for years

That’s not “consensual”. You’re very confused.

>> larger consequences
>according to you again.
so you think incest wouldn't do damage to a family? You just admitted it would 2 minutes ago but said you still don't think it shoudl be illegal. Fair enough, thats your opinion on the matter. I think its wrong, but please don't try and weasel around the argument like this

red countries, explain yourself

why would it be illegal?
red countries are retarded.

>Parents discovering something about their children would make them upset so it should be illegal

This goes for anything from liking Star Wars, not liking sports, to being gay. You’re an idiot.

damage to a family is subjective, some parents would be damaged by their son joining a nazi group, some would be if they became lawyers, some would be if the sons married outside their religion, none of this matter, none of this should be a crime.

>thats your opinion on the matter
of course it's an opinion, I don't advocate for a bureaucratic State that chips away at the personal freedoms of consenting adults and think laws should stick to preventing and punishing actual destructive conducts, I also think religious morals should be kept outside of the law books, I do think a State is the representation of all citizens and should therefore be secular,not ready to defend the instances of hypermoral sectors that condemn harmless behavious, all of this is my opinion, like you have yours I have mine.

>Legal for minors
Grease, explain.

minors are legally allowed to have sex with their siblings.

they won't put minors in juvenile institutions for it but when you turn 18 watch out.

disgusting

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>Legal if animal gives consent
What the actual fuck?

if the animal looks for it like when doggos shag your leg that's considered consent.
if you get to know them for a bit and they like you, some really lonely female lions will keep trying to get you to mate with her.
and I think I don't have to explain how monkeys and other apes work, do I?

I wasn't aware that we were that based

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>ywn have a qt sister to have raw sex with on a daily basis

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fact: only people with no siblings think this.