USA

USA
UK
France
Germany
Italy
Spain

those are the only relevant countries

prove me wrong

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what about poland

dont post in my thread

can someone explain the italy is relevant meme to me?

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Russia, China, Japan, Brazil, Indonesia and India are more relevant than the UK, France and Germany. They're definitely more relevant than Italy and Spain.

Literally more relevent than spain

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>France

Based

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remove spain and add Japan instead of it

what about bvlgaria

cringe
ill consider this

>italy
>spain

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self love is important

extremely based pic. OP

u mad yellow bois

Add Tunisia to that list and we have a deal

t. yellow on flag

>irrelevant European countries
>but no China
Shit list.

And East Timor plox

>italy
>spain
in what century

>Wanting to be relevant

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This
Relevancy is a curse. Life is like a fucking movie when you’re an American and it never ends.

i dont get why people say germany is relevant
we dont even have nuclear weapons and our military is a joke. and our economy is fucked as soon as we stop exporting

>USA
>UK
>France
>Germany

remove these and I agree

Hello

more relevant than you muhammad

US
>biggest cultural influence in the world
>only superpower at the moment
>most of the worlds biggest companies
And so on
Italy
>pizza
>pasta
>mafia

No.

>italy
>spain
who
>no china
>no russia

>Russia

Gtfo, Russia isn't relevant since the fall of the USSR.

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>t. binland

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>only superpower at the moment
Yet they're China's bitch.

Admit your war crimes riceshitter

More relevant than Shitaly and Spain, if only because of their military.

russia is relevant enough to cause europe to want to actually build a military the moment we signal that we are keeping to ourselves

Never claimed, that we are relevant

>Italy

lol

europe wouldn't be building a military it'd be more like a consolidation of existing military leadership
imagine if america didn't have a federal military and you had to try and coordinate 50 states worth of militia and military but all 50 states spoke a different language

france is as relevant as congo nowadays

France has nukes

So does pakistan

so does pakistan

>Indonesia

Kek based should be pols banner

>russia
relevant only because putin is an absolute unit, still not nearly as relevant as USSR

>china
agree

>japan
how? they don't have an army and they can't even be a regional power in asia pacific

>brazil
top fucking kek, relevant how? they don't have a hunch of influence even over an objetively shitty neighborhood as latam

>indonesia
is this a joke? what the fuck

>india
shit economy, shit power projection, they do have potential but today don't amount to anything in influence in asia let alone the world.

thats not yellow, thats gold, every flag (every one literally) is covered in gold that the natives gave us

Your pic is a shop. In the original the guy had IDF written on him, not HAMAS.

>Spain

How is Spain more relevant than us? Maybe historically, but now? Hell no. If it wasn't located in Europe they would be even more irrelevant than they are now.

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also reminder that this map gives a bretty good indication of geopolitical relevancy.

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Here's the original.

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In order with current events
>USA
Well duh

>China
Biggest rival to the US and making power plays in Asia

>UK, France, Germany
Driving force behind European economy and NATO, behind US

>Russia
Biggest rival of UK, France and Germany, also making (way crappier) power plays

>Japan and India
2nd tier containment participants against Chinas rise

>>>>>>Power gap

Regional players or those contesting China/Russia

>>>>>>Power gap

Everyone else

>Germany
>driving force behind NATO
lmao no

Also Russia making way more successful power plays

also
>Japan and India
>containing anything

how the fuck is utterly failing in Lybia and getting swamped in Afghanistan way less crappier than annexing Crimea, winning in Syria and taking advantage of China's rise through tons of economic partnerships and the SCO?

NATO delusion.

>>Germany
>>driving force behind NATO
>lmao no
Germany is not a direct driving force of NATO, but at any given time, can be. It's also positioned geographically to be very useful for allied forces, much like Poland.

>also
>Japan and India
>containing anything
Japans currently converting it's LHD into an aircraft carrier and taking steps to becoming a robust, modern force outside of its constitution. Okinawa and the Kuril islands are also key points for blocking and denying in Chinese and Russian navy assets.

India itself is also in an interesting position seeing as 90% of Chinese oil imports go right past India. I dont have to tell you what blocking Chinas oil imports would do to a country let alone a modernized one with 1.3 billion people.

>>>>>>>>>>>spain

you missed a lot and included some useless

>but at any given time, can be
no, that's like your opinion and a shit one to boot
>dude but they can be
but they aren't and never Germany has had that power inside NATO

>positioned geographically to be very useful
yeah they have American nukes, like us.

>Japans currently converting it's LHD into an aircraft carrier and taking steps to becoming a robust, modern force outside of its constitution.
they have to in order to protect assets that are already theirs, they will do jack shit that is directly against Chinese assets even after investing that money in the armed forces.

>India itself is also in an interesting position seeing as 90% of Chinese oil imports go right past India.
and tons of other countries considering it's a maritime route?
India literally can't blockade anything right now, this is power fantasies that have no use in the real world.
India's effectively not containing anything nor has the power to do anything as destructive as you say.

I hate when people talk about wild possibilities instead of reality .

everyone is china's bitch you dumb cunt

>no, that's like your opinion and a shit one to boot
>but they aren't and never Germany has had that power inside NATO
We've seen a very sudden rise and mobilization in military units in Germany many times before, their geography is suited for it, it's how they've managed so swiftly to bounce back from conflicts unlike the UK or France. Leaked defence papers from the German government have even outined a contingency plan for if the EU fails, NATO fails, Russia or China rises in Europe or even US isolationism and that one or all may happen to prepare accordingly. It wont be long before Germany could be capable. To say otherwise is dumb and blind.

>yeah they have American nukes, like us.
How the fuck do you not even know about the great European plain? I know Italy is disconnected from it because of the alps but c'mon man, at least know a little bit of geopolitics about your own damn continent.

>they have to in order to protect assets that are already theirs, they will do jack shit that is directly against Chinese assets even after investing that money in the armed forces.
Correct. Because the US will allow Japans military be capable in assisting the rise against China, but it will also have ensure Japan does not get too strong as to break the shackles. Japan has gone through waves of military expansion followed by isolationism throughout their history, the US needs to be sure it wont happen again.
That being said, Japan is still key to containing China, either through the US or otherwise.

>and tons of other countries considering it's a maritime route?
The combined power of blocking Chinese ports with the US navy, holding the Malacca strait through key US allies, and preventing secondary Chinese oil imports into Pakistan and through the Karakorum corridor are all incredibly fighting forces against Chinas power. The Indian navy is not the most capable or strong, but during wartime, it would have no problem blocking imports going through Pakistan.

Why are people so buttmad

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>first you say Germany is a driving force of NATO
>then you correct by saying n-no I mean in the wild scenario that EU and NATO just stop existing -t-then Germany is relevant, I think
alright lad.
>Russia or China rises in Europe
I see you like your fiction
> or even US isolationism
excellent meme, the US has NEVER been an "isolationist" nation.

>the great European plain
another excellent meme if you study medieval and ancient history, what is Russia going to do? roll around europe on horses through the plain? it's literally quite retarded to theorize a land invasion without factoring in nukes, that's not how the world spins since 1945.
all these wil hypoteses you're making clash with the hard reality that there will NEVER be a conventional conflict between European nations and Russia, not with nukes existing.
so yeah, Germany is relevant but only to the extent they keep their ICBMs pointed east, just like Italy is relevant in Europe and the Mediterranean for that reason, we have the added benefit of supplying ports to the US so there's also that.

>That being said, Japan is still key to containing China, either through the US or otherwise.
yeah yeah we'll see, my opinion is that Japan will never be a "key" actor in the region and merely an american asset, but at least you agree that its power is vastly limited.

>blocking Chinese ports
why would they do such a thing realistically?
you understand this would mean war, blockading a port?
the US is not interested in going to war against China and also the other way around.
>holding the Malacca strait through key US allies
key US allies that also depend economically on PRC by a way larger extent that they depend on US for protection.
you never know how this would play out.
if China manages to rise to regional hegemon (like it's doing) this thing will be completely reversed.
plus you literally never know how these countries would react to US's demands to close off the world's major route for oil

>preventing secondary Chinese oil imports into Pakistan and through the Karakorum corridor
again, this is not up to India only, they would have to face the international consequences of stopping such a vital route for east asia.
besides, China's investment in central asia shows just how much of a bigger scope they have than India. in these matters

> it would have no problem blocking imports going through Pakistan.
lmao says fucking who?
it's already tense as a fucking piano string between India and Pakistan, both of them have nukes and you intend to play it down like "it wouldn't be a problem moite", bullshit, absolute bullshit.

in conclusion, India has a shit foreign policy and right now is not acting like a relevant geopolitical power in any way.
your assumptions on india being so important in based on another wild scenario that could cause at least two major wars (PRC-US and IND-PAK) if it actually played out like you say.
that's not very good strategic thinking