What happens here?

>Muh admixture autism

I bunch of black people and Dixie flag faggots wishing they were Floridan

>Genes aren't everything.

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Oh yes, I wasn't implying anywhere close to SE Asia or the like. I was thinking moreso how Azerbaijan, a neighbor, has a generally close tie to Iran and other Turkic nations, which, obviously, don't account for Georgia's cultural uniqueness, but does show some ties of the Caucasus region to an "Asiatic" family of ethnicites. However, I think that in general, "Asia" should be broken up a bit, especially with the Caucasus and Anatolia + northern Levant becoming its own region, which is distinctly Near Eastern with touches of Europe.

I NEED TO STRESS SOMETHING: I'M NOT SAYING IRAN OR PERSIANS ARE TURKIC. I'M SAYING THAT THERE ARE AZERIS IN IRAN AND IRAN NEIGHBORS TURKIC NATIONS.

>disrespectful to fuck your wife unless you are making babies

is this mentality with todays generation still?

true, water from the mountains tastes way more clean and pure since it isn't filtered through all the shit

Iranians are levant + anatolia + caucasus + andronovo + papuan pajeet uber mutts.

i was always thinking about this, caucasus should be it's own continent mainly because how many isolated ethnicities/languages there are. i mean Georgia is european in a sense but is geographically somewhere inbetween the middle, if there would be a continent of 'caucasus' these problems would go away and it would be it's own thing since georgian/armenian culture is unique

That's a bit of a hot take. How is Anatolia Iranian?

Based Dutch. The Caucasus are its own thing and they have been for thousands of years. I can't think of them as tied to anything *but* the Caucasus

don't know, around 7 probably
we had ton of farming though the historical period and are descended from Zagros Farmers as well.
>is this mentality with todays generation still?
I guess no, it's probably even a minority thing in older generation, though I have heard some younger people having a similar mentality, I don't go out much am not a reliable source for anything social here.

>How is Anatolia Iranian

Other way around m8, contemporary Iranians are partly Anatolian neolithic.

>don't know, around 7 probably
Same.

>we had ton of farming though the historical period and are descended from Zagros Farmers as well.

But you at least hunted a little even while right? The Zagros people were agro-pastoralists and not basic farmers iirc.

im not dutch, im georgian.

geographically speaking, the caucasus is very unique mainly because how many languages it has, i believe around 40-50 or so. This is due to the mountains and how much isolation took place.
A tribe would be in one mountain valley and so on, this creates a domino effect where a lot of tribes are seperated and are forced to make their own language.

Ethnically i can say georgians are caucasian together with chechens and dagestan. Armenians are indo european still but their unique alphabet makes up for it. Azerbaijan is iranian i believe or their ancestors were caucasian albanians.

Going to Kutaisi in late March. What can I expect?

Ohhhh, Okay, yeah, I agree.

Oh sorry, I saw the flag of the Netherlands in your post and I did an educated guess that you were Dutch, sorry.

What do you think of Abhkazia and South Ossetia? I hope this isn't a sensitive topic.

I don't know, didn't all the farmers hunt? certain region aren't suitable for agriculture as much, so I'm guessing the highlanders still mostly hunted.
I also have heard that our ancient tribes have contributed greatly to the development of metallurgy, but I'm skeptical about that

Caucasians were indeed the first people to use bronze and possibly even Iron (as for the iron bit, if it wasn't Caucasians who did it first then it would be the caucasus + levant mixed people down near Canaan).

IIRC the anatolians and levantite were more or less full on farmers while the Zagros people were an agro-pastoralist lot.

>Armenians are indo european
no, they are IE only linguistically, we have more common with IEs than them, they are a Mesopotamian+Iranian+Caucasus mongrel abomination of a people
>Azerbaijan is iranian
no they are very similar to Turks from Turkey genetically

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lets say colombians were under attack all the time and sought refuge in brazil, few hundred years later they would say ''x region is ours because we lived here for so long'' that's the ossetia conflict

abkhazians are a different ethnic group but they were always apart of the georgian nation, there was no independed abkhazia. There was autonomy since old day abkhazia was called lazica. and whenever georgia was split up into provinces abkhazia was also a dutchy of for example principle of imereti. when the ottomans invaded georgia they made abkhazians, muslim. Long story short when abkhazia sought protection from russian empire the ruskis send all the muzzles to turkey.

Long story short, abkhazians wanted their independence because they thought they were significant enough to have their own country, but in reality they were always under protection of georgia.

thanks for the info, but do you have any studies on the metallurgy stuff you can provide?

Uhhh most of my info comes from wikipedia articles about various late neolithic, chalcolithic/early bronze age articles (sad!) and some mentions about metallurgy in ancestral population papers. I don't think I can find the specific papers since I don't remember the exact papers that correspond to the said details, but I can say that there was likely a trade route between Caucasus settlements like Maykop and the BMAC settlement in central Asia. This trade route might or might not have involved the Afanasievo populations as well (cuz we do find one R1b sample in BMAC and the early Indo-Europeans up in southern Siberia tended to extra ores for export to BMAC).

Abkhazians are still genetically more similar to us than any other group, they did have kingdom during the the early middle ages, but the ruling dynasty, Achba/Anchabadze, consider themselves Georgian now, it's bunch of pleb peasants who are rebelling.

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>canadian doesnt think hes a admixture mutt
l m a o

Never implied that at all.

what is _D, for example Georgian_D

They make a lot of wine.

No idea, maybe Fereydan Georgians

an iranian dude i talk with time to time has a georgian iranian friend who was born in that fereydan province and speaks georgian and is christian

>we had ton of farming though the historical period and are descended from Zagros Farmers as well.

About this point- The Zagros agro-pastoralists most likely emerged out of the CHG populations. Was there a backflow into the Caucasus region afterwards? I think the the eastward migrating Zagros farmers were largely responsible for settlements like Shahr-e Sukhteh and Harappa.

ruler of the turks not even meming.

based frog

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You can open a non-resident bank account remotely with just a passport and stash money away from your local taxman.

have no idea, I am interested in genetic data myself and our ethnic group always confuses me, for example how can we have so much haplogroup G2a, but no Natufian admixture?
it could be the laz too
from seeing pictures some of those Georgians, most look very Iranian and not Georgian.

that's weirdly specific

you have to realise those georgians were forced to persia in 16th century, so hundreds of years they were probably breeding with iranians don't forget the rapes when they were located to iran

>have no idea, I am interested in genetic data myself and our ethnic group always confuses me, for example how can we have so much haplogroup G2a, but no Natufian admixture?

G2a is not Natufian. Natufian men (prior to west Asian southward migrations) were E1b. G2 is a Caucasus + Anatolian haplogroup, while J is mainly Caucasus haplogroup that spread outwards later on (on of these migrations included the southward migration of J which eventually lead to the "J-zation" of MENA.

Weren't Neolithic anatolians partly derived from Natufians? Europeans descended from them seem to have at least some Natufian component

Beautiful mountains and even more beautiful girls

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Why would you go there? Not much to see for a tourist
Go to Tbilisi, Batumi, Kazbeg, Mestia, those places have tourist infrastructure and things worth seeing

Work for two days, staying for couple more to see what's worth seeing.

You can go to Batumi and fuck some cheap asian whores
Met Jeremy Clarkson on a brothel street at night

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ruskies claygrabbers

Nope, Anatolians were a population that broke off from CHG around 20,000 or 25,000 years ago and they had Caucasian/Anatolian male lineages male lineages.

They did get some levant admixture later on, but still retained the G2 lineages while probably getting the levant mtDNA lineages at the same time.

Now none of what I said about CHG-Anatolia relations take into account the Dzudzuana samples which are part-way between Anatolian and CHG, and at the same time somehow also resemble VIllabruna western hunter-gatherers. We are at a point of time where out knowledge about the neolithic caucasus, anatolia, southern europe and levant is change rapidly. I will not be surprised if the Caucasus used to have a long lasting R1b population which might have been passed off as Dzudzuana hunter gatherers.

Bagrati cathedral, Gelati monastery and Sataplia and Prometheus cave if you're into that sort of thing.

>no they are cery similar to Turks
Were they more similar to Iranians before the Oghuz menace?
Seljuks were major turkic empire, then came Chinggis, after that the whole slew of others - Timurids, Qara and Aq Qoyunlu etc.

Armenians have always been la creatura de las transcaucasia

>MUH LANGUAGES
>MUH UNIQUE KAVKAZ
oh fuck off already.
I have far more in common with some village dweller in Ukraine than with mentally defective Chechens and Dagestards.
I really abhor when someone tries to still shoehorn us in Asia but ones that go with "We are neither, we are CAUCASIAN" are simply pathetic

what do you mean by Asian?
they didn't exist before turkish invasion, Caucasian Albanians were probably like modern Lezgins

I mean south-east Asian immigrants working at Batumi brothels and “massage” places