In your country, can you tell from a person's accent which social class they're from?

the rural poor have a very noticeable accent no matter the region but they are rare

there are some accent that are elite, but they are not rich-rich, just prestige, such as some new england accent

Well not really. It's just that the elites spoke actual French(Parisian French, Francien) while the peasants spoke oïl dialects, Breton, Flemish, Alsatian, Occitan, Catalan, Corsican, Arpitan... provided they didn't live in Paris and its surroundings.

why did the transatlantic accent did

if you were britain, you'd have some eccentric politician using it to stand out from the crowd

Yes. But it's not just accent. Rural retards speak some mumbo-jumbo of Russian and Ukrainian called Surzhyk.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surzhyk

Just speak proper Russian or Ukrainian, you fucking morons.

>Not being so bilingual that you can't speak a single language by itself
Never gonna make it

Northerners or "costeños", who have a very noticeable accent, are considered generally uncouth and are looked down upon by the yuppies living in the middle of the country.

Tbh the way the French go about it is disgusting
Go to a French stream on twitch and the chat explodes in mockery whenever someone speaks without a perfect "proper" French accent, of which iirc originates from the northern bourgeois dialect of the 18th century.
Anglos make fun of Americans for our accent, but the French call québécois french an abomination and a disgrace to their language. (Québécois French is based more on the royal French pre-revolution)
The French also stamped out other languages in France, such as Franco-Provencal and Occitan, which were spoken by huge amounts of people, but the elites in Paris shamed them and outlawed (I think, or maybe just discouraged) instruction in the country in any language but their own bourgeois dialect. The way turks blindly worship Ataturk is the way the frogs worship their language, even if it was forced to their great-grandparents' throats by the elites who wanted to (and succeeded) wipe out strong regional culture.

Social mobility is highly consistent across societies, eras and social regimes if you look at particular extended families over many generations rather than the conventional 2 or 3 within a single parent-child line.

>Québécois French is based more on the royal French pre-revolution)
That's canadian cope. It was urban poorfags that left France, not royals. It's like saying cockney is "royal English" because it's from London too

you don't know what you're talking about, shut the fuck up

Funny thing is when they come to cities, they usually get accustomed and start speaking properly. There were plenty of such people in my uni. But when they visit their village or just call their parents, they switch to Surzhyk again.

Yes, poor people can't talk. They can't fucking open their mouths and they retarded words. Also they don't understand how assimilation works. Eg: autó is the word used by normal people. Ótó is the bydlo version. They turn au into ó.

Yes there was a big difference between the standard of the royality and later the bourgeoisie(the peasants didn't even speak French until the 19th, they spoke regional languages). After the French revolution took over the Royal style fell out of fashion but still survived in some form in former colonies. Most notable example is Quebec.

>Anglos make fun of Americans for our accent, but the French call québécois french an abomination and a disgrace to their language.
I think looking at it from an outsider's standpoint skews your perception of what actually goes on. We definitely do make fun of the Quebec accent, but we also make fun of Belgians for being retards for no reason other than their cultural closeness to us. It's called banter, a concept that Anglos understand pretty well but that Americans seem to miss.
Also, Quebec French is not any more based on pre-Revolution French than metropolitan French. It underwent the same amount of evolution, just followed a different path due to the sociological situation in Quebec being different than in France and Quebecois being isolated from the rest of the French-speaking world. Case in point, I don't think French commoners said "tabarnak" or "osti de calice" in the 18th century.

>After the French revolution took over the Royal style fell out of fashion but still survived in some form in former colonies

>poor peasants and sailors from northern and western France brought the royal style language in Québec

Doesn't it sound stupid to you?

>After the French revolution took over the Royal style fell out of fashion but still survived in some form in former colonies. Most notable example is Quebec.
Please stop talking about things you have no idea about. I don't go around claiming that Volga Germans somehow spoke a more princely version of German, because it's stupid and doesn't make sense.

Yep, only two I can think of are southern accents and ghetto accents (aka ebonics which is mainly spoken by blacks, Hispanics, and wiggers.)

My parents and my father especially have a pretty strong south-east accent for people that havent lived there for 30 years, and I have yet to see people mocking or even teasing them about it.
Its fine that you take interests in other country cultures but dont speak as if you're somewhat an expert

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yes, also by the slang they use

People in Quebec do speak a form of French that has more in common with the old Royal court.

Fuck modern Parisian!

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There actually is an interesting parallel here between French Canadians and Volga Germans, most notably when it comes to naming conventions. Volga Germans often use very archaic names that have fallen out of fashion in Germany. The same applies for French Canadians who often use names that only old French people have. Or have you ever met a young girl that was name Gueneviève? If you'll ask your great grandma you might have a chance

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Accent here doesn't always determine class. There are basically three types - people who speak in their regional accent all the time, people who have a regional accent but try to speak in a more neutral accent (just pronouncing words in a more standard way and leaving out regional contractions) and people with a neutral south east estuary English accent.

The only place accent correlates to class in London/the South East. Cockney, multcultural London English, Essex etc are immediately seen as working class and estuary and RP are higher class. In the rest of the country it's regional accent and your 'phone voice' where you try to disguise it.

Idk why but this picture reminds me like myself. Is this how the world are am Anglo?

I prefer to speak with a Corsican accent.

I can also do a Quebecois English accent.

French Canadians are an underrepresented minority in USA

Ataturk was based tho

>transatlantic accent
Because it was completely made up just like rikssvenska

Looks like some norman stock

Naming conventions aren't representative of a language at all. I'm sorry, but if you actually knew French and had the slightest idea of what the lexicon of Quebec French is like, we wouldn't be having this stupid argument. Quebec French is literally peasant French on steroids, it might have retained some archaic features(mainly naming conventions), but it's also full of English loanwords(they say "fuck" and "dude" unironically, we say "putain" and "mec"), they use phrases that would be considered grammatically incorrect by 18th century standards, and they swear using the names of CHURCH items. If you actually think our kings and queens spoke like this, you're probably a huge mouthbreather.

retard

Finns speak a more Noble Royal version of Swedish than Swedes. Modern Swedish is corrupted by anglo-saxons word, Finns speak swedish like KINGS.

youtube.com/watch?v=wv7x6WCMmPg
*sharts himself in royal French*

It's possible here. You can't do it with everyone because a lot of people speak a normal, neutral accent but there are some poorfags and richfags who speak a certain way.

>Estuary English is more refined

No idea what you're talking about, t. born and raised in Southend. When I went to uni in Southampton people though I was out of eastenders

Immigrants were mostly urban stock, not peasantry per say.

Not really.

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Quebec has many varieties itself.

A person in Berthierville sounds very different than somebody in Thetford Mines.

Just one example, when Louis XIV said 'L’État c’est moi', 'moi' and 'toi' were pronounced like 'moé' and 'toé' like in low-register Quebec French today. Everyone that has spent some time old French phology knows this. No one is claiming that Quebec French is identical to royalist French but that certain archaic features have survived there over time that were lost or changed in contemporary standard French.

>Thetford Mines
great royal French town name you got there

That's a unattested quote. There's also no proof that royals said "moé" and not "moi". It's actually more likely that they said the latter, because it's a feature of Parisian French that distinguishes from other dialects(this is why no one says "moé" today in France, but you'll hear it in Wallonia and Quebec).

In Spain you can somewhat, but it's not as rigid as the in England and only really happened in Madrid and around, out of there either it exists but barely or it doesn't happen at all.

Yes. Poor people sound different from middle class or rich people, rural poor sounds different from urban poor, white and black poor sound different, etc.

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the King's swedish is by definition the rikssvenska you dirty republican

i've once read somewhere that around the ~17th century, "oi" like in roi and moi was pronounced more like eu/é

>06/20/16
You can often tell apart regional accents (North, South, Northwest, few Islands, Pontiacs etc), but mostly for people born before the 80s or those raised in very rural areas.

You definitely can't tell the income from the accent. Except for hillbillies and truck drivers I guess.

Most Quebec towns have saint names.

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no, regional accents are mostly memes
only old people and Southerners have them

LOL!

How wrong you are!

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I think it's probably selection bias that people think that. Southern England middle-class here would probably be perceived as posh-sounding

Same.

>actual French

No such thing. Post-revolutionary standardization of language to the dialect of bourgeois Parisians was pure savagery. The various provincial ways of speaking are/were just as valid. And there's nothing wrong with Breton for Flemish.

imagining the sick ink honoring the queen under those sleeves

Belgium

Flanders: No
Wallonia: Yes

The French language was standardised using Parisian French as a model, so calling it "actual French" is not wrong. Other oïl languages existed, from Norman to Walloon, but they're not called "French". Parisian French is.

He meant that what people call "French" is actually Parisian French. Calm your tits.

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