What if this guy never existed and Russia remained imperial and and Hitler never rose to power as a consequence of the...

Is that what they taught you in school?

lmao no way anybody would believe in a Catholic menace like the communist menace and nobody hated the communists more than the Catholics.
Plus, you're a fucking retard with no historic knowledge because if you knew anything about history you'd know that communism was an extremely dangerous menace at the time with the failed revolutions of 1918 that led to the death of thousands and the shortly lived Bavarian Socialist Republic. By 1930s people knew that life in Soviet Union meant deaths of millions and no way any German would like that so let's blame the fucking communists to establish order.

Hatred of communists was so strong that Hitler hated them as much as he hated Jews, hence he termed all communism "Jewish Bolshevism" (which is only partly true, but completely false after Stalin whose period included the killing and persecution of his former Jewish communist friends).

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>nobody hated the communists more than the Catholics.
Which is why catholic countries were littered with communism

>communism predates Marx
No it doesn't. Socialism does. And historically Socialism is a pretty broad term.

>and wasn't Russian.
No fucking shit, Sherlock. Yet Marxist Communism was the mainstream view and a cult of Marx remained even at the times of Stalin.

>things would've turned out pretty much the same.
No it wouldn't. Communism has literally been the worst thing to ever have happened in the history of mankind lmao.

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>Which is why catholic countries were littered with communism
wtf you're talking about? No majority catholic countries have ever been communist, except for extremely rare occasions where some little communist group declares a Soviet republic for a small city but is revoked a month after like the Bavarian Soviet Republic. Majority catholic countries like Italy, Spain, Portugal were fucking fascist dictatorships for much of the 20th Century.

There was even some support by some Catholics that preferred straight up dictatorships to communist menace. You're a fucking idiot. The only reason why Catholics endured Nazi Germany (they weren't fans of the Nazis by any stretch) was just so they weren't communists because the Pope didn't want a godlessness ideology such as Marxism to spread even further.

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>No it doesn't
yes it does, not even gonna bother adressing the rest of your retarded post if you start off like this.

He's correct, boludo
Communism starts with Marx. You're thinking about socialism

This. National socialists were commies too retarded to realize they were commies themselves.

>i don't know who victor d'hupay was: the post

>he doesn't know that commies almost won in post-1945 democratic elections in italy and france

I hate brazilians so much

Brazillians are good people

>people

You're forgetting that whole lebensraum thing that entailed a war in Eastern Europe which he needed in order for his retarded economy to not collapse.

Please stop it

Not a fan of Marx but he exposed a lot of problems with our economical system. We still didn't find a solution but understanding that there's a problem was important imo.

communism predates Marx whether you like it or not.
so much so that there are non Marxist communist currents.
now fuck off.

Nazis weren't socialists.
stop being 12

>communism was an extremely dangerous menace at the time with the failed revolutions of 1918 that led to the death of thousands and the shortly lived Bavarian Socialist Republic
lel you mean dangerous unlike capitalism that led directly to WW1 once big powers ran out of markets to open and places to colonise? Or dangerous unlike anarchists who murdered dozens of world leaders and planted bombs every day? Trotsky would have saved millions of European lives if he had linked up with Bavaria and Hungary instead of screwing up in Poland. You're clearly one of those Bolsonaro voters who believe that Marxism belongs in the same category of "mankind's bad ideas that we should never go back to" like slavery or feudalism or the inquisition. Keep reading the same press and licking your master's boots, he's loving it.

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tahts because catholic countries never historically accepted the enlightenment and people there have a certain mentality fitting for it

Without communists we would live in quasi-feudal states without labor unions or worker's rights. Child labor and pollution would be rampant like it was during the industrialization. Most labor standards we are enjoying right now are a direct result of rulers caving in to demands for fear of a violent takeover. Notable example: Bismarcks implementation of Germany's universal health care system.

>t's irrelevant that they blamed specifically communists that time
Commies tried to play their hand in the big post-WW1 clusterfuck but got BTFO.

You can shut your big stupid fucking Spanish dicksucking mouth, you brainlet. That WW1 was started due to capitalism and the expansion of colonies is an outright LIE you were taught in fucking MIDDLE SCHOOL. It is FALSE. Just pick up Morgenthau's masterpiece "Politics Among Nations" if you wanna learn REAL history, you left-leaning parasite piece of dirt. WW1 was started due to the expansionist nature of Wilhelm the first, competition among superpowers in imperialist Europe, militarism in the continent, and Franco-Prussian animosity and the desire for using the new equipment developed for war. That it was because "capitalism" caused WW1 is a fucking lie only brainlets believe. Do you REALLY think that any of the fucking European superpowers GAVE A SINGLE SHIT AND WOULD ENGULF THE WHOLE OF EUROPE IN WAR FOR SOME LITTLE COLONY SHIT IN AFRICA? You gotta be fucking kidding me. You're retarded. Read some history or kys.

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you're retarded.
kill yourself.

Willhelm the second*

Imperialism is just an aggressive form of capitalism. It's the most aggressive form of a capitalist economy to expand its market.

These statesments

>WW1 was started due to the expansionist nature of Wilhelm the first, competition among superpowers in imperialist

>That it was because "capitalism" caused WW1 is a fucking lie only brainlets believe

are inherently contradictory.

>WW1 was started due to the expansionist nature of Wilhelm the first
t. George V

>Imperialism is just an aggressive form of capitalism.
>me think conquering people is same as farmer or shop owners selling things!

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is this new pasta?

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Shut the fuck up, kraut. That imperialism is the same as capitalism is the biggest fucking false equivalent in the history of fucking ideas and only fucking IDIOTS who believe the BULLSHIT that you were taught in middle school believe. Why don't you pick up an ACTUAL history book and research something? So called capitalists were OVERWHELMINGLY anti-war and were acutely aware War would be particularly BAD for business, plus, the economic benefits derived from colonies was so small compared to what the risk would be in all-out war in Europe it was insignificant. Do you really think that war was started because of Willhelm the Second, the Czar, Austria-Hungary and all these armies arming themselves with new equipment and mass militarism and conscription or because some fat capitalist in New York plotted the war all by himself that would set all his business back for decades and lead to massive economic losses for both sides? You're a fucking IDIOT, if you believe that you brainlet. If you didn't know, economic integration was at its peak before WW1 to the point people didn't even need passports or economic borders to make business. CAPITALISTS ONLY LOST with WW1. I'd recommend you start reading actual history, kraut.

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Read some Lenin and you’ll understand.
You can’t just blame Germany and Wilhelm.

Everything in this post is true

> the Borg
> dinosaurs
> 4channel janitors
I laughed, based Spanish poster taking time off from siesta to brighten my day

You have no idea how the state worked before and during the WWI.
It wasn't as if a random king would start a war for no reason and everyone would follow.

Do you truly think that weapon producing capitalists didn't earned anything?

Why is it so that 99% of South Americans are utter brainlets and retards online?

Go fuck yourself. I'm not picking up that bullshit written by extremist fucking Lenin that made a defeatist ideology that OVERWHELMINGLY failed at everything it set out to do, from Bret Livotk treaty to literally all it tried to predict. Fucking Lenin failed at everything it did , and hey, I'm not inherently anti-communist and I'm pretty open about it. But if you read and knew enough you'd know that the idea that imperialism was the same thing as capitalism was a fucking propaganda scheme that Lenin did to justify his wrong ideology and its losses of territorial possessions in the Imperial Russia. If you knew and actually studied, you'd know that mencheviks and other less-radical communists such as Karl Kautsky and Eduard Bernstein ADMITTED that WW1 was caused by imperialism and not by capitalism. It was a particularly LENINIST myth and other communist theorists knew the difference between the two. Marx also argued that capitalism was a prerequisite for the communist revolution and couldn't come before capitalism had been established among nations, and it was exploitation of the workers that ACTUAL communists and theorists (of which there are many more than just Lenin and Marx) had in mind were worried about and not this "Hurr Durr all wars are caused by capitalism" bullshit.

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Imperialism is the highest stage of capitalism.

Where to get more information about natsoc economy and how it compares to communism and capitalism? What was the economy like in natsoc germany? Wikipedia article is no good on this one.

Also what could be the reason why captcha doesn't work for me on Jow Forums domain but only on 4channel?

>why captcha doesn't work for me on Jow Forums domain but only on 4channel?
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>only reading Lenin and not other superior Marxist theorists
>not knowing he used this as an excuse for his political agenda
>not knowing it was convenient to say this during the time of the revolution and the 1st War
You're a fucking retard. You have no knowledge of history and all you can do is spout a single sentence that makes no sense. This place is fucking worse than /b/. Fuck you, fucking slav Hungarian piece of shit and go read an actual history book before talking shit. Fucking die already kys faggot.

>It wasn't as if a random king would start a war for no reason and everyone would follow.
Yeah but that's exactly what happened. Nobody thought it would but it did. The Germans would arm themselves and so would the russians, and then so the austrians and then the British wouldn't just fucking stand still and do nothing and so they would arm themselves as well and so on and so forth, not because some capitalist planned it all. When these governments and their countries we're threatened with war, do you think they wouldn't join in and defend their homeland? If you didn't know, people who resisted conscription and were anti-war were ARRESTED, EVEN IN ENGLAND. Haven't you ever heard of Bertrand Russell, for example, one of the most famous intellectuals of the 20th Century? I swear, this fucking board is filled to the brim with brainlets, be they from Germany or Hungary or Russia. This board wasn't made for intellectual discussion, just name-calling and stupidity.

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You have to understand that South Americans online are part of their countries respective bourgeois class, the literal descendants of slave owners. In their privileged position they oppose any mechanism that would share their robbed wealth with their impoverished countrymen. They harbor deeply-held reactionist beliefs and political ideologies. In order to preserve their status they will sometimes even openly support dictatorship themselves. Similar how in Thailand they overthrew the elected democratic government because the wealthy city folk was not ready to share their wealth with the impoverished countryside.

Read Mein Kampf LOL
Hitler repeatedly mocks what he calls the bourgeois nationalists

You shut your dirty kraut mouth. I'm not a supporter of dictatorships or authoritarian regimes and I didn't vote for the neocon Bolsonaro. I'm not even against Socialism in principle as long as it isn't that radical bolshevist leninist wing. What I'm against though is the spread of outright LIES and historical Myths such as that WW1 was begun by capitalism and not power politics by the superpowers. I thought you Germans read a lot and would have some knowledge of history and politics but I guess not. You're as dumb as any american, kraut.

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What's your point? His claim is that Hitler appropriated socialist rhetoric in order for working class people to support him and you are providing another example where he did that. It's similar to how far right parties often support seemingly social democratic populist policies but this is just ideological dishonesty and political opportunism once in power, economical policy becomes a corporate sell-out. See Austria and Hungary where labor regulations were axed as soon as those parties got into power.

>not because some capitalist planned it all
Nobody here has said that WW1 was PLANNED by some mogul in Wall Street, but that it was a RESULT of capitalism. If you don't understand that neo-imperialism was a direct consequence of industrial capitalism, you're hopeless. Capitalist powers were competing for resources since the Franco-Prusssian war and the crisis of 1873. They tried to solve this by giving each nation its own sphere to colonise, which culminated in the Berlin conference of 1885 (Americans were still colonising their own West). This worked for a while until powers either ran out of places to colonise and exploit or failed miserably (Adwa 1896). So they started to compete for those same colonies. Sometimes it was tense but solved by diplomacy (Fashoda 1898, Algeciras 1906), sometimes all-out war was declared (Spain vs USA 1898, Japan vs Russia 1905). Then the perfect storm happened which led to WW1, regardless of Serb incels shooting princes.
- the Alsace question - which was less about hurt national pride than steel: to industrialise you need steel, for steel you need coal and iron, Germany had the coal, France had the iron, this wasn't actually solved until the 1950s (CECA -> EC -> EU, yes the origin of the EU can be traced to the location of coal and iron in western Europe)
- German industrialists' participation in Ottoman railroads, too close to the Suez canal for British comfort
- Cape to Cairo & naval arms race autism - Brits don't think twice about backstabbing an ally, so why commit so much effort to "save little Belgium" and destroy their own empire in the process?
- Russian desperate need to get a Mediterranean warm port for geostrategic purposes - they still do (see Syria)
> Do you REALLY think that any of the fucking European superpowers GAVE A SINGLE SHIT AND WOULD ENGULF THE WHOLE OF EUROPE IN WAR FOR SOME LITTLE COLONY SHIT IN AFRICA?
This is basically what almost happened in Fashoda. Ww1 could have started there.

Pretty much this. Due to the diminishing rate of profit that is systematic to the Capitalist mode of production and the never-ending thirst for economical growth every capitalist economy will inevitably try to expand into every corner of the planet in order to secure more resources, labor power and consumers

>farmer or shop owners selling things is capitalism

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>sometimes it was tense but solved by diplomacy (Fashoda 1898, Algeciras 1906),
Yes, the dispute over colonies was never big enough to have war be considered profitable for.

>sometimes war was declared (Spain vs USA 1898)
That's wrong. These examples are false equivalents. The United States didn't want to act as an imperialist state. It did declare war on Spain but in order to retain its dominance over its market on South America and halt the Europeans meddling with South America. It wasn't an all-out war but a big dispute. It's like the Argentinian-British War, but nothing like WW1.

>(Japan vs Russia 1905).
Japan and Russia entered in War not for imperialism but because Japan wanted to try out its militaristic power and had imperialistic plans even before capitalism was ever introduced to Japan. The shame that an Asian country beat the Russians fueled the Russians' desire for militarism and conscription and to make a show of strenght and encouraged the Russian government for WW1, not because of capitalism at all.

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The Alsace question - which was less about hurt national pride than steel: to industrialise you need steel, for steel you need coal and iron, Germany had the coal, France had the iron, this wasn't actually solved until the 1950s (CECA -> EC -> EU, yes the origin of the EU can be traced to the location of coal and iron in western Europe
Yes, I know that. But a big reason why this was done was so that war between the countries was made impossible after WWII, for they'd share these commodities of steel and iron. But you don't get the point, the reason why they fight over this is in order to have the recourse for war, doesn't explain WHY they want to have war in the first place, and that's MAINLY BECAUSE OF POWER POLITICS between nations. States and governments fighting each other and wanting more and more. It's the state's desire for power and territory, NOT capitalism.
P.S. read Mearsheimer and Hans Morgenthau

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not for capitalism*

Imagine being this stupid and thinking yourself a genius.

Fuck you and shut your mouth fucking leaf.