>The demographic growth is similar to the post-war levels (Spanish Civil War ended in 1939).
>Since the late 70's the demographic growth has been slowing down
>The country also has one of the highest life expectancies in the world
>Between January and June, spain had more deaths than newborns, causing a net loss of 46.590 citizens.
>The dramatic fall of birthrate is only slightly slowed down by inmigrants.
>Out of 179.794 births, 35.949 were from inmigrant mothers
>Polls show that most women would like to have 2 children, but due to unemployment or low wages the average is only 1.3 children.
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Julian Collins
>Polls show that most women would like to have 2 children, but due to unemployment or low wages the average is only 1.3 children
And yet we don't see women have significantly more children when their wages increase (after wining to the government about "muh wage gap" of course). In fact, we see a negative correlation: women who earn more, have less children.
Look at the countries that have high fertility rates and look at how much their women earn. Most of the time you'll see that these are countries without a welfare state (or a very limited one) where women are subjugated to men. They have children because their husbands desire them and their husbands desire them because there's no pension system. Hell, look at Ireland. Until recently it had the best fertility rate in Europe (or the least worse, rather) because abortion was illegal until very recently and divorce was illegal until 1995.
Spain (and the rest of Europe) will die unless it takes women's rights away. But of course Jow Forums scum would rather beat migrants to death than blame the Jews than actually solve the problem that necessitates mass migration in the first place. The key sentence being
>The dramatic fall of birthrate is only slightly slowed down by inmigrants.
But of course y'all are going to call me an incel without proposing actual solutions.
John Jackson
Why exactly is a perpetual population growth so desirable?
Dominic Ward
More about having the right populations growing innit?
Nathan Murphy
Because you want someone to pay for your pensions when you're older, don't you? Negative population growth is fine if you're willing to take responsibility for yourself, but if most people were capable of doing that we wouldn't have a welfare state in the first place. It's about economics: the system fails if we have more people dependent on it than we have people paying into it.
Secondly it's also about power. A country with a population that suddenly shrinks over a period of 50 years and has a lot less fighting age men becomes a lot more vulnerable and a lot more enticing for others to take. This will remain a problem unless you're naive enough to believe that we've reached an era of enlightened gentlemanship where warfare, the single most consistent thing in human history, will suddenly stop being a factor. Wars happen wherever there are people sitting on resources who are too dumb or too weak to properly defend them.
Kevin Nelson
Everytime someone posts something like this, they recive 10 sexpats in their respective country
Cooper Cruz
a population boom increases the happiness in a country according to my strategy videogames
stagnant demographics make a country stagnant and depressive
Evan Nelson
If you are okay with taking care of yourself rest of your life without retirement and unemployment then it's fine. You can't retire because nobody is paying your pension. And your society collapses in your life time but it's not so desirable, right?
Michael Wilson
What kind of retarded video games have you been playing? Both Total War and Civilization make it more difficult to manage cities with higher populations. Higher populations are economically desirable but come with their own challenges.
Alternatively he could just have children and grandchildren to take care of him without needing a government middle-man, but that would still require population growth. Just on a familial scale rather than a societal scale (which will ironically result in a higher societal fertility rate).
Parker Taylor
in rome total war a big population boom makes a city happy
so ironically, slaying two thirds of the cities population makes it pretty happy, compared to just peacefully occupying it
also imagine growing up on the streets with dozens of other kids to play with, it must be better than being in a town full of old people like most towns in spain.
Cameron Hall
Cheaper labor for the Jewish overlords.
Kayden Scott
I can’t die that most Spanish youth since 1975 have grown up fucking retarded.
our education system, the best in europe throughout much of the 20th century, is now absolute trash. no joke you get a scholarship if you score BELOW a certain mark
every spanish ‘guy’ i’ve talked to talks big game and acts macho with his soccer friends but is full of antifa bullshit
spanish girls always say they don’t want children as if it’s just normal
this country is truly in a poor position, as is the rest of europe other than maybe italy
Jack Thomas
Of course cheap labor only favors the Jewish overlords. It's not as if it results in the end product being cheaper or something. That's all false. This is why we see that Western countries have a highly protectionist jeans industry rather than buying all their jeans from Bangladeshi sweatshops. Because nothing says "functional economy" like buying € 80 jeans from Germany.
Joshua Moore
Because pensions are impossible to abolish democratically. It's not so much that people can't afford children, it's more people being unable to afford children and the latest iShit. Take away pensions and people now have an real incentive to have kids outside sentimentality.
Easton Bailey
Universal suffrage is a mistake
Alexander Smith
FRANCO SPAIN
>Highest birthrate in europe, no demographic winters here faggots
>Booming economy ever since the autarky fags fucked off, (see spanish miracle) virtually no unemployment
>Among the strongest militaries in the world (kills lots of leftoids)
>BASED AND REDPILLED well known leader strikes fear in leftoids hearts
Modern sp*n
>lowest birthrate in europe, demographic winters are the norm nigga
>shitty economy won't grow, unemplyment massive and shit
>weak shitty milotary that can't even fill out positions kek
>Shitty leaders that no one cares about and no one fears, wack as shit
Jonathan Garcia
its easy to progress when you literally just had the worst civil war in your country history and nearly 0 industry
same reason poland "grows" so much nowadays since it used to be a shithole with only farms
Jason Torres
its not just about pensions, capitalism wont grow (thus work) if population is falling
as it depends on people consuming and taking credits to keep going
get on my level, fagget, we are losing 50k a year and there is only 7 mil. of us
Owen Thompson
But Poland gets a lot of EU funds
Jason Gomez
Votantes de Podemos, PSOE, Ciudadanas, etc. que buscan inmigración masiva en vez de INVERSIÓN EN NATALIDAD.
0 pena.
Están mejor extintos.
Por favor, deseo que muchos votantes mariconazos progres me lean y que sepan que sus genes se extinguirán.
Firmado: un casado.
Dominic Johnson
Poland has EU funds. Franco spain had ZERO marshal plan funds. Not the same T B H
Chase Brown
Cuantos años tienes?
Xavier Hernandez
31
Ethan Sanchez
esto es del jueves? me extraña mucho que hagan algo asi
Benjamin King
Not exactly the same, of course, but we often see that "backwards" economies grow rapidly nevertheless.
Chase James
Yo espero no estar aquí cuando llegue a los 30
Lincoln Clark
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Lo han echado porque estas revistas son nidos de podemitas:
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Henry Scott
debe de estar encantada tu mujer con su marido O B S E S I O N A D O con la politica
no quito que eljueves sea una mierda pero tu obsesion me intriga
Ryder Howard
>high rent
>high real estate prices
>no jobs that pay decent
>high taxes
>everyone instathots
Color me surprised.
Noah Nelson
Jajaja, no debes de conocer mucho a las mujeres. Vox está lleno de MACIZAS.
Pocos sitios mejores que éste para descargar torrents. Mis más de 25 terabytes así lo demuestran...
Sebastian Johnson
espera... tienes un fetiche por mujeres mayores?
Henry Price
No, para mi desgracia estoy en un grupo de "Vox Jóvenes" a pesar de mis 31 años...
John Morris
hombre, para la media de edad española, 31 es un jovencito
Jackson Perry
Anthony Brown
madre mia como haya que levantar españa y encima la gorda esa es que se nos van a partir las piernas shur jeje
Blake Gutierrez
>having kids in spain
we might be retarded but not that retarded
Samuel Johnson
It's not even about "perpetual growth" in this case, it's just about not losing population and the aging of the population.
Tyler Mitchell
The whole "muh perpetual growth" meme is a strawman anyway, a delusion about how it totally doesn't matter that our fertility rate drove off a fucking cliff.
Connor Gutierrez
porky (CRAPITALIST) needs a larger labour force and a larger market
of course he doesn't which population is growing as long as they buy and produce his products
Jack Reed
Pensions don't really work well in a stable population either. The whole scheme was concocted on the expectation of perpetual exponential population and economic growth.
Should be focusing on increasing the availability of goods and services rather than meta factors like price or the ability of people to pay for them. How much you earn doesn't matter in an abundance economy.
Kevin Brown
>less fighting age men
Also, this doesn't really matter in the long run if you account for it and prepare for it. It's not about gentlemanliness, it's about automation.
Colton Watson
this is why nobody takes marxists seriously
Jeremiah Rodriguez
>Pensions don't really work well in a stable population either. The whole scheme was concocted on the expectation of perpetual exponential population and economic growth.
True, it's a ponzi scheme that remains intact because it buys votes. We'll have fucking riots if anyone wants to shrink the welfare state in even the slightest.
>Should be focusing on increasing the availability of goods and services rather than meta factors like price or the ability of people to pay for them.
I agree, in as far as it means deregulation.
>Numbers don't matter in war
Alright buddy
Joseph Campbell
>Numbers don't matter in war
Not what I said.
>population numbers don't necessarily matter in war
is what I said.
What matters is the amount of firepower you can bring to the field and sustain there. Whether you achieve this by drafting millions of men and putting everyone else to work for the war effort or by churning out billions of expendable killer drones in automated factories is irrelevant. Technology has already made raw population a bad predictor of both industrial output and military power.
Sebastian Kelly
Well, technically not wrong but it's a false dichotomy. While firepower is perhaps the single most important factor, manpower does make a difference against opponents with roughly equivalent technology. Even in a hypothetical situation where war is fully automated (which I can't see happen even theoretically consideirng the limitaitons of drones as well as the need to keep boots on the ground during occupations), having a larger industrial base still helps.
A shrinking population is all-round, from all possible angles, a bad thing. Even from a "muh environment" perspective it's pissing on a forest fire when much larger countries have a much faster growing population that are effectively "settling" in your territory.
Ian Bennett
Gaysex did this
Samuel Edwards
>false dichotomy
Stop trying to sound smarter than you are, brainlet. Nothing in my post is a false dichotomy.
>manpower does make a difference against opponents with roughly equivalent technology
That's not always true. It's only true when total manpower is a significant limiting factor, which it was in the era from roughly the French revolution to the end of WW2. You're generalizing a special case.
If the population requirements are dwarfed by resource requirements and well below the available reserves of either side population doesn't matter. This was the case with armies roaming Europe throughout the middle ages and early modern era, and this will be the case when wars are fought by large amounts of unmanned vehicles along with small cadres of highly skilled professionals fighting alongside them, commanding them and overseeing their automated production.
The logic of 20th century industrial warfare works for 20th century industrial warfare. But you can't just apply it without any consideration to different environments.
Aaron Morales
>A shrinking population is all-round, from all possible angles, a bad thing
Nothing is good or bad from all possible angles because good and bad depend entirely on what your arbitrary goals are.
Jace Perez
>Brainlet
OK m8
>It's only true when total manpower is a significant limiting factor, which it was in the era from roughly the French revolution to the end of WW2. You're generalizing a special case.
Not really. The thing is that we haven't really had mass warfare since WW2 (in part due to MAD, in part due to America's military dwarfing others to such an extent such a war would be a foregone conclusion), explaining the emphasis on smaller and more professional armies for foreign deployment. The thing about these mass scale wars for the defense of the country is that they generally aren't polite enough to announce themselves decades in advance. The truth is we simply don't know how such a hypothetical mass war in the 21st (or 22nd for that matter) century would work out, but it's pretty certain that numbers would remain important.
Gabriel Green
what is the problem? more jobs for me
Owen Morgan
Or we simply promote men taking care of children. If having childres isn't as much of a burden for women more of them will choose to do it.