EU4

>EU4
>Vic2
>CK2
>HoI4
pick one

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ck2, the rest are boring sperg shit

EU4

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CK2 is objectively the best

EU4

Victoria II by far, with CK2 a distant second. The rest is all retarded manashit.

Vic2 is more than just a wargame, it also has a very intricate economics system that really allows you to get from the transfer of a artisan driven economy to a industrialized economy. The value of goods (and how profitable a factory will be as a consequence) is dictated by simple supply and demand: everyone wants to build steamships for their navies but nobody is building steamers? Build a steamer factor, make gross cash. The entire cement market is saturated and everybody's cement needs are met? Don't build a cement factory, stupid. Even the war/strategy aspect of the game plays into the economy: if you industrialize the homeland, it means less people are working on the farms/mines and extracting raw resources. Which means you need colonies to force the locals to extract the resources to feed your industry. This also makes some colonies more worthwhile than others due to having a high population, precious resources or both. The DLC and HPM are mandatory though. Seriously. Build up a navy, go to Chinay, get a Treaty Port (preferably one with a good resource like silk or tea) and watch the money flow.

CK2 is less intricate, but it's very very fun because you actually get into your own characters and rulers. You don't play as a country, you play as a dynasty. I remember once playing the Karlings (French) and through marriage and war taking over the kingdom of Denmark. I then dumped all my holdings in France (no need to get into a war with a stronger king over a small patch of land) and continued as a Danish ruler. But it does create cool narratives about this one king who was really brave, or that other king who was possessed by Satan and fucked his own syster.

EU4 and HoI4 are dumbed down versions of EU3 and HoI3. They have their upsides, sure, but the entire system is dumbed down. This is why I never want a Vic3.

Hoi4

Stellaris, since I am not a fedora tipping virgin

This is exactly what I'm talking about. If in Vic2 you conquer Rome as the Ottomans, you won't just turn it Islamic overnight. You need to create settlement policies to have your Islamic pops migrate there, laws that allow for easy assimilation of the locals into Islam, perhaps pick a few events where you kill a large number of the locals to reduce the presence of Catholicism and slowly but surely increase the presence of Islam. You'll never get to 100% Islam (unless you use a genocide mod, which the base game and HPM don't have but I guess it should be possible) where you simply kill the pops you don't want.

In EU4? Beep boop invest 200 bird mana boop beep Rome is Muslim now.

Used to be EU4, then HOI4 with Kaiserreich

Having a life instead of being a Paracuck incel building liquor factories.

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hoi4 multiplayer is really fun

CKII

Is that vanilla or something? Because the lolliquorfactories thing doesn't reallly apply in HPM. To my knowledge at least demand doesn't get so high that liquor factories are always worth it.

Knights of Honor.

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Personally I enjoy both Vicky 2 and HoI4

no its not brainlet
first you have to core it for paper mana
then again paper mana for being in a state
then you have an angry bunch of Luigis hating you
you cant change the population until they are muslims and atleast 30years passed (less if you went humanist)
so you want to convert Rome to muslim religion but since your Empire doesnt accept italano its harder to convert, quite possibly impossible if you havent got religios ideas and definitely quite expansive AND takes 10+years time because its autonomy is huge for a freshly conquered province

so after you spend time, money and possibly rebellions to change the religion now you can change the culture for bird mana, which can cost way too much for its worth for another buttload of time

so no retard, your liquor shit ancient piss easy joke of a game is not "complicated" you are just a fucking brainlet

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Vic2 is too dependent on scripted events and HPM even more so.

CK2 occasionally causes wierd shit to happen, one time I was playing as a tribal king of Avaria fightng invading Hungarians and suddently out of nowhere I inherited Byzantine Empire

Plus I had to take Religious ideas and build a Grand Mosque there otherwise it's impossible to convert Rome with that development level and religious center conversion penalty.
That dutchie is just mad cuz Netherlands ain't an independent nation in EU4

Oh no, there are a few mana in between steps. I was totally wrong and this isn't a mana game at all.

>Vic2 is too dependent on scripted events and HPM even more so.
I'll admit that this is true (though with HPM it is a HISTORICAL project mod so you already know what you're getting into). I'll admit that Vic2 isn't flawless and it could be improved by having its event driven nature replaced by something more dynamic. However, Paradox has not shown any steps in improving its dynamism. If anything its policy system in HoI4 (which in turn has completely replaced the mission system EU4 once had) has only made everything even more railroaded considering you can barely do anything outside of that system. A system which in HoI4, of course, uses mana.

>CK2 occasionally causes wierd shit to happen
Yeah, CK2 can get fucking crazy. Which is why I'd personally argue that Vic2 is the best Paradox game, while CK2 is the most fun one. That's because you can really create stories in CK2, stories about the genius king who went on a crusade only to imprison his own wife and execute her for cucking him.

Civ 5

>1 (unus, ein, un, one, 一) consul in Imperator

That whole game is a disappointment. We were promised a game based on the wishes of the gameplay community, but we got yet another mana cringefest.

Let's also not forget that slaves don't passively assimilate into freemen and vice versa. You need to spend Consul Mana to transform slaves into freemen.

>three kingdoms game
>no naval battles
>Red Cliff is just a land battle with ships in the background
wtf is wrong with the Total War devs?

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...

Kaiserreich, the mod is so good that Paradox devs are now blatantly copying shit from them and putting it in base game (American Civil War, German Empire etc.)

I choose CK2. EU4 is not bad but kinda autistic. the others are trashes

>pick one
Darkest hour with KR

Alt reality is more fun after 200+ hours of the same shit.

ck2 > vic2 > eu4 > hoi4

simple as

CK2 is my favourite. V2 is also good.

I could never get EU to work on my system for some reason so I've never played it. Never got round to playing HoI either.

Redpilled and based.

Airfix Dogfighter

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waggle

That game is EXTREMELY based. Isn't the studio working on a new one?

Vicky

the rest is shit

Dwarf Fortress

based

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The Rome one

Ck2

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Ck2 is probably the most fun, but it sucks as a strategy game. You can quite easily conquer the map as a Norse count within a century of the start date if you want to, the fun lies in the narrative you create

Eu4 AI is more than just a paper tiger, but it plays like an arcade game. Theres literally nothing to do during peace time, and the mana and the lack of population are shallow. MEIOU solves this but only by making the game grind to a halt. You know that you will eclipse every country on the map by the end of it, you would have to be braindamaged not to

Vic2 improves but the difficulty still feels ultimately artificial. You can fashion a good econony out of any country and the main obstacle to conquest is an arbitrary hard limit, infamy, that inflicts retarded maluses on you and sabotages your economy. But its the only game where you have to accept, eg Persia vs Russia, "ok there is no chance of me defeating this country" and you defer to your AI competition, so its the least qualified as a sandbox and most qualified as an actual strategy game out of all of them

this reminds me of that Stuart Little game

Imperator: Rome

I like eu4 and Vic2

eu4

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How to stop sucking at eu4?

overextension is only a number

t. swamp german

what do you find hard about it?

Vicky 2
CK2 is BORING

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Don't have lazy diplomats
Don't be afraid to take loans
Learn how trade works in case you don't already know
Choose a strategy from the beginning and, if possible, stick to it
Besides, i also suck at EU4, but these should help you

>This is why I never want a Vic3.
Fuck you. This is why we’ll never get EU5 or Vic3. Cunts like you.

I always get declared on by much stronger nations. Also I see these people all the time (for example Korea conquering all of Ming) and I just don't get it. I've played as France and still can't defeat Austria or Milan, with Spain as an ally.

get good generals

This

paracucks games are all terrible stop shilling for them

You need as many strong allies as possible if you're playing a smaller country. Look at whoever is rivaling the great power you border and ally them, this way you won't get obliterated if someone declares war on you.
Also engagements are in a lot of cases decided by how good your general is + other factors such as country modifiers and prestige, you should pick your fights accordingly.

They declined to hire the modders that had been improving their games for years

For me, it's imperator rome

Victoria II with some EUIV/HoI IV stuff like creating causus belis, would be kino.

get fucked casual

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PEW PEW, fucking nerds

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WATCH

they're great games
their dlc policy is garbagé though

Ck2's Diplomacy/indepth politics, Eu4's coalitions and extensive fleshing out of global regions, Victoria 2's POP and economy/colonizing system and Hoi4's front lines/indepth army management systems without some of the cancer that Paradox hasn't fixed yet with it.

>Be German
>Get up early and eager
>Work hard all day
>Get home after hard days work
>Play work simulator late into night
>Repeat ad infinum
Germans are truly a magical, blissfully autistic people.

hard pass

Or alternatively
>Be KARA BOGA
>Beat up and dominate inferior whiteoid greeklings
>Take "City of Worlds Desire" decision and get free core, religious and cultural conversion
Whiteoids are truly pathetic.

ck2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>power gap>>>>>EU4>>>HOI4>VIC2

t. knower

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I like civ5 because it has some godtier waifus
>tfw hardly any historical porn
Feelsbadman, historically accurate porn could be a nieche but potentially highly profitable industry... Particularly for muh dick.

>That's a good demand goy, we'll take it into account
>Here's Imperator Rome, with NOTHING you asked for in it :^)

>tfw me and my brother together have combined over 7,000 hours of eu4
Please... Kill... Me...

cope

>historically accurate porn could be a nieche but potentially highly profitable industry

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yes, pick the game that signaled the death of an entire franchise. GTFO zoomer

Conclave, Reaper's Due, Monks & Mystics, Jade Dragon, Holy Fury
out of these dlc for ck2 which ones would you recommend?
related but off topic, should i get megacorp for stellaris?

Always have advisors, avoid unecessary loans, fight onesided wars in your favor, always improve relations with everyone big at all times and always have all diplos busy, ally strategically and rival strategically, keep corruption minimal (ideally nonexistant) and most of all: Don't be afraid to BLOB

Personally I think Civ 4 is better than Civ 5, despite its age.

I recommend you head on over to and download all DLC for free.

>all dlc for free
listen bud, i don't want to get arrested for pirating a game i barely play anyway

THOSE

is it even possible
proof or never happened

>Paying $ 100+ for a game you barely play instead
All the cool kids are doing it, dawg

>Take 3 provinces in Empire
>Half of Europe Coalitions you
Ebin

i was just asking
i don't know why everything is like pulling teeth on this website
"hey out of this listing, which one would you recommend?"
"JUST STEAL THEM ALL AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
can't you just answer the question?

Which one can I build an american empire with

Vicky 2
HoI4 is fun, it just gets boring fast because the wars never fucking end and the rare times they do, there’s nothing left to do

Europa Universalis IV.

victoria 2

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Vicky 2 kinda good but the game only take 100 years so it gonna be short for a empire.

They would literally never know or care. Paradox in their infinite wisdom put no security in their dlc codes and you can literally copypaste dlc scripts into you game file and get everything for free. They literally profit off of the laziness and stupidity of it's users.

Vicky 2 would be better if you couldn't conscript virtually every pop group. It makes playing the Uk a snooze fest

Same

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god you're boring

eu4

I colonised Japan as Korea in Vic 2 .

Also:

Victoria 2 > Crusader Kings II

The others aren't worth a mention.

It would also be nice if the units wouldn't havve to be constantly replaced when a soldier pop changes and it'd just be filled by a different pop. It's such a pain constantly to have to remove and replace red divisions.

bit of sour grapes eh

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but all my paradox games are on steam

I think it's a balance decision to manage attrition, though you're right it could be handled better.
It's mostly because Vicky 2 inherited Vicky1's pop system but did some strange half way approach, where you only manage pops indirectly despite the pops themselves being very specific units.

This
>Not forming and industrialized naval superpower as Hawaii that dominated the pacific and rules over a balkanized series of puppets so the US can never annex you
GLORY TO POLYNESIA