>Get to Madrid >Walking down crowded streets I see people in front of me getting pick pocketed >eating outside at a restaurant, a group of what looks like Latin Americans can be seen in the distance sitting on cardboard drinking alcohol with some fat woman >fat woman begins throwing up violently and birds fly to it and eat it up >Man begins peeing off his balcony onto oncoming walkers below on the street >old niggas trying to fight me for no reason >hear throughout the day people insulting me assuming I dont know Spanish >service at restaurants being fucking horrendous and taking years for them to even get drinks out >as Im waiting to cross a street I witness two dudes run out of a burger king with an entire table as employees chase after the men
I was only there for a single day, fuck that shithole city
Spain seems to be extremely unequal to me. I mean, it is supposed to be not a very rich country with lots of poverty, yet it also has such a rich football league and many global brands and companies.
>Spain seems to be extremely unequal to me. I mean, it is supposed to be not a very rich country with lots of poverty, yet it also has such a rich football league and many global brands and companies.
>as Im waiting to cross a street I witness two dudes run out of a burger king with an entire table as employees chase after the men It sounds hilarious
Landon Collins
well, that's what happenes when Barça and Madrid are among the top teams on the planet, (Madrid since the 50s and Barça since the 90s) so they get a lot of money through merchandising and shit, about big brands what do you mean? Zara?
Ryder Wright
Zara, Seat, Santander, Ferrovial, CAF...
>that's what happenes when Barça and Madrid are among the top teams on the planet,
Yeah, but you'd expect a team from a rich country to be the best, because it should have money to buy the best players since it is funded by domestic companies
I'm really surprised that Bundesliga isn't the richest and best league in the world.
Eli Cruz
Lmao no the fuck its not. OP here, went to Barcelona too and it was much nicer. Plus you get that nice breeze in the summer since its close to the ocean
Ayden Morris
>I'm really surprised that Bundesliga isn't the richest and best league in the world.
probably because they have less corruption and politicians getting involved in teams, also Seat is german
Adam Miller
Maybe you shouldn't have spent your day in Embajadores you dummy.
Nicholas Rodriguez
Spanish economy got a big boost in the 1980s/90s after joining the EU though, still you were able to create and sustain big brands and big clubs that have budgets bigger than some small countries, despite the country not being very rich itself.
I wish we could follow your path.
Lucas Sullivan
>Zara, Seat, Santander, Ferrovial, CAF... all of those are shit full of corrupt people into it
Jaxson Phillips
There are always issues and such allegations concerning big companies but the fact is they drive your economy up and make Spain more recognizable in the world.
Samuel Rogers
shut the fuck up stupid mutt
Christian Nelson
Madrid is way better. Barcelona is a shithole for tourist.
Robert Flores
i live here and it's a truly shithole muh frend better follow the german path than the spanish one
Andrew Nguyen
>despite the country not being very rich itself. why do you keep repeating this? it's one of the top 30 richest countries in the world per capita
Colton Jenkins
Lol you didnt pick up some spanish insults living in burgerstan? I work at a restaurant in Miami and I always here the spics muttering estúpido, gordo, feo, idiota, tonto, gringo, puta madre, cagada, que te folle, etc
Kayden Russell
you probably took the line 10 to go back to the barajas airport , DON'T LIE mutttttt
Luke Williams
by European standards it's not very rich
but Spain has a lot of extremes, Barcelona looks like a capital of a great empire, while villages in Extremadura sometimes look like straight from Colombia, there are no such differences in other western countries.
German path is out of reach for us
Mason Foster
Those are the immigrant spics, not the natives. People from a shit hole country acting like people from a shit hole country, what a surprise!
Luke Allen
>while villages in Extremadura sometimes look like straight from Colombia HAHA it´s funny because Colombia is poor and violent xDD
Levi Sanchez
Barcelona looks like shit, it is degraded as fuck. The barrio chino and the centre are complete shit and the rest of the city is ugly.
Easton Stewart
I agree. Don't take me wrong Spanish people but I think he's right. Because all of Spain besides Madrid and Barcelona is amazing. Malaga, Sevilla, Santiago de Compostela and even a lot less known towns are amazing. Just avoid Madrid and Barcelona
Benjamin Gonzalez
that's what I meant
William Ross
>while villages in Extremadura sometimes look like straight from Colombia, there are no such differences in other western countries. i agree,
Wyatt Allen
this is some random small town in rural Spain, most of them look like that, especially in southern/western Spain
now think Spain also has wonderful Madrid or Barcelona
the country seems to be very unequal and polarized (in a sense that almost all wealth is concentrated in the cities, especially these two ones).
On the other hand, this concentration allowed Spain to create several global brands which is a positive outcome.
yeah. for me it just looks old. What do they want? Tear down perfectly good houses and make it all from scratch to look more "modern"?
Thomas Thomas
Madrid is the Paris of the Middle-East with the exact some problems ie snobby faggots unwilling to help other people, niggers and trash everywhere
Oliver King
Europe might be somewhat shit but said image is something straight out of Brazil or Poland. Spain is supposedly first world.
Easton Harris
South american towns look like spanish towns, not the other way. There are many shithole towns yet the one you posted looks averag as fuck
stfu dumb leaf, looks normal
Nathaniel Cook
I don't compare Spain to Poland, it would be useless, everyone knows Poland is much poorer. But Spain is in western Europe and has been part of the west since ever, sometimes it was even one of the most important countries, so different standards should be applied to it
And I don't say it to insult Spaniards, more like I simply point out certain differences as compared to other western European countries I noticed. Spain seems to be the most polarized and unequal. That's the reason why a country with moderately advanced economy has so rich cities.
Northern Spain is better indeed.
>There are many shithole towns yet the one you posted looks averag as fuck
That's what I said - it is an average town in Spain. But it looks very poor by western European standards. Take any random German, Dutch or Swedish town for comparison.
Jonathan Williams
Buddy, every town here in Canada is perfectly planned, perfect sidewalks, perfect roads but it doesn't have even a third of the personality that town has. All looks the same. The houses in Spain look perfectly fine. They are not falling to pieces. Expect them to tear them down? And you're polish. Your country minimum wage is not even half of Spain. You should know better.
american fat fuck. that's what I was saying. It just looks old in a good way. Don't see what people mean by it looks like third-World
Luke Davis
It's not about houses being old, just them being run-down, infrastructure being poorly maintained and without necessary amenities you'd expect in western Europe. Sidewalks are in poor condition, there are power lines hanging on poles, there is an ugly wall on the right, the road is crumbling and it doesn't even have road marking, you can see trashy antennas on every roof, most of houses need complex renovation etc.
Luke Evans
Based portubro
Carson Bailey
My dad almost got pick pocketed by 2 native americans on the tube in madrid.
Grayson Williams
>american stop insulting me leafo
>western european standards SOUTHERN european standards dumb pole, check any town in italy, greece or portugal, they arr rook the same.
Possibly me or one of my friends desu
Alexander Smith
This I remember on a train from France to Spain and seeing houses and towns that looked straight out of Honduras or some shit. Looked like pic related.
Dominic Allen
>but it doesn't have even a third of the personality that town has.
Personality is a subjective thing. And still, first world has different standards, if you don't want to conform to these standards, then you still might be a cute, nice, great and amazing country, but not first world.
>They are not falling to pieces.
Well, a lot of them look like they are.
>Expect them to tear them down?
To renovate them to make them look like old houses in big Spanish cities or old houses in the Netherlands, Germany, Switzerland etc.
>And you're polish. Your country minimum wage is not even half of Spain. You should know better.
One more time - I never said Poland was any better. And I want Poland to improve, that's why I point out the flaws Poland (and any country) should avoid if it wants to enjoy the first world status.
To add on it, Extramadura is a very barren zone, almost desert like. A lot of people move from the towns, given them an abanoned look. I've seen some too here in Portugal near the same area. It's rural too, and there is no green around it.
Michael Lewis
>dumb pole, check any town in italy, greece or portugal, they arr rook the same.
No they don't wtf
Brody Evans
Run-down? I mean, all I see is a house under construction and a huge house that needs a bit power wash on the side.. and one wire hanged properly going around the town for power or whatever. You don't have wires in poland?
Blake Gonzalez
looks like Mexico but since there's almost nothing but a road it's hard to judge it
show a street with houses
>check any town in italy, greece or portugal, they arr rook the same.
This is the case in some parts of Greece too, but Greece looks trashy and poor in the cities as well. Actually Greek small towns looks better than Greek big cities which is the other way around than in Spain.
Southern Italy is kinda like Spain indeed (even though I'd say Southern Italian architecture is better but maintenance is often equally poor) but Southern Italy is known for its poverty and "Africanness".
Matthew Peterson
not all of them, but a lot of them do. And there's nothing wrong about it. I've been all over Europe and I'd rather be in that town having a beer outside the local bar than any shit ass third world impolite, polish town.
Ian Lopez
>but nothing more and never saw anything like it desu.
nigga, Galicia is well know for its "feísmo", google feísmo and galicia and you will understand
and the street and the general look...here you have some houses from the background, now you see?
> and one wire hanged properly going around the town for power or whatever.
It's not one wire, just all the wires in the town are overhead.
>You don't have wires in poland?
Of course we have, because we're a fucking second world post-communist country. Do you really want to compare Spain to Poland? I thought you wanted to defend Spain.
Try to find a town covered with overhead wires in the Netherlands, it won't be easy.
You find villages that look bad because they have few people, population move out and things get abandoned. You almost don't find it in the rest of western countries because they have a shitload of people more and less well spread. In Spain (and Portugal) you can travel lot of kms without seeing a town only small villages almost abandoned. Do the same in the Netherlands if you can
Gavin Harris
Spain is ghetto
Liam Morris
Extremadura is like our detroit
this
Juan Stewart
So have I and it's a meme.Some parts of Southern Italy is somewhat similar to Southern Iberia that I'll give you but they are not many. Greece is on the other fucking tip of the continent, and they are their very own style. Just because the house is white to reflect the sun doesn't mean they're all the same.
Extremadura or Southern Portugal you dumb American. At least ask the questions right.
Gabriel Davis
I concur. Looks like South America, and not a nice area. Rather, one step above a favela. If I visited a place like this, I would be confused, like "is this Europe?", "I'm still in Brazil?"
Christopher Morgan
I still don't see anything wrong with it. They are local houses, the town is old, are you really dumb enough to thing they should spend millions making holes all over the town to bury the wire???? I'd rather be there right now than any dutch town. You should learn to be more humble specially coming from such a shitty country like poland.
Justin Brooks
And you didn't even mention the horrid urbanism and public transport, prolly didn't notice because you're a burger >huge freeway-tier streets through the middle of the city, can't even talk from all the noise >people piling up on the tiny sidewalks >often have to walk huge lengths to cross large traffic arteries >subway has terrible frequencies and is consequently packed >subway has very few escalators, some changeovers are ridiculously long God I hate Madrid, glad I don't live there.
Henry Murphy
just checked the place and it has less people now than in 1842, meaning that the place must have tons of abandoned houses, a shitton of extremeños moved to Barcelona
Noah Reyes
Spain has a very powerful economy (one of the top 20 in the world I think), but the wealth is hoarded by very few people, while the rest live in Poland-tier poverty.
Nathaniel Long
>Rather, one step above a favela.
the difference is that at most you will encounter some random old person, absolutely nothing wrong would happen to you in those places
Nicholas Walker
I think complaining about these towns just shows insecurity. That's all. Unless you don't have living conditions inside those houses, I really don't see anything wrong with them.
Evan Wilson
>You almost don't find it in the rest of western countries because they have a shitload of people more and less well spread. In Spain (and Portugal) you can travel lot of kms without seeing a town only small villages almost abandoned
This only confirms my theory about extreme unequality, polarization and concentration of wealth as an inherent trait of Spanish economy. Again - I don't want to insult Spaniards, they're really cool people, I just want to compare it to other countries and understand it better. This is important for Poland because there's an ongoing discussion which model of development we should adopt - so called "polarisation-diffusion model" (that is basically about supporting growth of big cities only as they are considered the most prospective in the global, modern economy and can take advantage of synergy in development, while small towns and rural areas will live on what is left after cities are fed - kind of trickle-down economies) or more sustainable growth where both urban and rural areas are both supported to avoid mass migration from villages to cities and desolation of rural areas.
Henry Perry
>city is better >tourists go there mind=blown
Lucas Lopez
you know muh, half of the population lives in the deep shit, gdp per capita is boosted by rich people
Chase Ward
Southern portugal is still portugal dummy, not my fault you thought of some northern granite town. Even then the modern parts of any town still look the same anywhere in southern europe. Y no soy yanqui.
Ethan Martinez
>Extramadura
Isn't that the place that has huge problems with people basically leaving the towns? We a similar problem in SouthEastern Portugal too. People leave the towns basically, some towns have less population now that they had in the 1700's/1800's. Hence the towns look abandoned as fuck. I remember wacthing a documentary on this some years back. There is even money pouring from the government but it's not working.
why do you still take my posts as if I tried to insult Spaniards or Spain? I did not. I've repeated many times I respect Spain for their economic achievements in the 1980s when they turned from a poor dictatorship into a relatively rich and developed country. Still, this change was marked by growing inequality and concentration of wealth in hands of few people which can be seen in such comparison.
Connor Jackson
this is in the US and not it's not only Detroit. What's the point in talking shit about those little southern European villages?
Yes, places like that here are pretty violent. Criminals live in them.
Austin Morris
Rural Spain was depopulated because of terrible policies/administration. Agriculture got fucked over, so it lost a lot of potential. Terrible communications also made rural life impractical. And industry huddles around the big city because of bad communication and bad tax policies, unlike central euro countries where many industries are often located in smaller towns.
Christian Howard
Feismo is nice
David Baker
t. jew
Austin Reed
Spanish perphery is getting empty. We have a region with the same density as Lapland, so figure out.
Yes it happens. But you still can find a lot of people with money in these regions. Low cost of living, good agriculture, they don't pay all the taxes they should... and these people are mistaken in the stats by poor people while they are actually wealthy
nowadays doesn't happen that much because urbal laws are enforced but decades ago... well if you could get some cheap bricks and concrete...
Lucas Miller
I have been to Madrid
My main complaint is that it smelled like URINE everywhere I went, also the underground smelled like sewer
also people smoking cigarettes everywhere (couldn't breath) and bad air quality
A lot of gay people, druggies and beggars on the streets
Michael Howard
even according to this pic Spain was only slightly better than Portugal (which was like the poorest western European country) for almost the whole period in question, leaving it far behind only in the 2000s
I wouldn't call it a miracle desu. Sure, Spain was so destroyed after the civil war so any growth seemed great but up to the 1980s or maybe even 90s Spain couldn't be called first world (in the economic sense ofc).
>My main complaint is that it smelled like URINE everywhere I went, also the underground smelled like sewer Paris is like this
>also people smoking cigarettes everywhere (couldn't breath) and bad air quality Saw this all over Europe. Goddamn, you Euros really like to smoke.
>A lot of gay people, druggies and beggars on the streets Saw this all over Europe too. Except in Austria, there, the police is very quick to round up any bums and take them god-knows-where.
Grayson Kelly
it is a miracle is you compare it with the rest of the world at the moment. AFAIK Spain was the second fastest growing economy in the world during the 60s, only after Japan, and by the 90s it managed to sneak in the top 10 biggest economies for a few years.
Jose Peterson
Trust me dude it's miracle Iberia is how it is. We're advanced economies and shit, I work in the service industry for example. From the 1800's to the 1950's this was an absolute warzone and a disaster in manangment. Hell people like Salazar came to power just for putting the economy in place. And we had no Marshall plan.
In my opinion Eastern Europe is doing a fantastic job as well, maybe even better than ours from 2004 onwards.
Christopher Wright
>Barcelona looks like a capital of a great empire, while villages in Extremadura sometimes look like straight from Colombia, there are no such differences in other western countries.
have you seen the uk? it's quite normal.
Samuel Hill
Spain had gigantic growth you have no idea and was in top 10 economies in the last 20/30 years.
>Except in Austria, there, the police is very quick to round up any bums and take them god-knows-where.
We don't questions the Austrians in the union, very dangerous desu.
Michael Parker
Yeah well they had missed out on all the growth in post-war europe, so when they opened up there was a brutal growth spurt. Spain still feels like a second-rate country even compared to France.
