Why didnt germans settle westwards as much as they settled eastwards?

You wish

Belgium is Luxembourgian clay.

>against their equals
he really thinks german subhumans were equal to the french...

france was like the superpower of the middle ages

and the holy roman empire not lmao?

No, their ethnogenisis began when they split from the HRE in the 16th century.
Germany as an entity exists from the 10th century.

no, germans were still too much primitive animals

>holy
>roman
>empire

Except it wasn't, neither technologically nor culturally at least. It was still stuck in an oppressive feudal mindset while German and Italian cities were flourishing thanks to the rise of the proto-bourgeoisie after the Black Death (which was, in the grand scheme of things, a positive thing for Europe. it made wages skyrocket and living space cheap, in modern terms)

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What are you on about? We controlled your fucking peninsula atleast the North, from the time Otto crushed Berengar.

Untrue,
Germany is luxemburgish clay
fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maison_de_Luxembourg
check it ^^

of German nation you retard

whats your point american controls europe and soon china will

>WE WUZ
No. They were nominally subject to the empire but de facto effectively independent.

Like literally the entire HRE
Still since the late middle ages (since the Italian wars) most of Italy was under Habsburg supremacy and thus under control of the ruling dynasty of the HRE

> it wasn't, neither technologically nor culturally at least
>muh clocks and presses
France had the largest military in Europe and the best military commanders available thanks to their military tradition.
"Opressive feudal mindset" means nothing since France already had a very modern army thanks to the Hundred Years War.

I always imagine the HRE as a giant whorehouse run by an old washed up pimp, the emperor. The emperor would try to protect his bitches and keep them working for him, but in the end, every bull in the neighborhood would get it for free because the emperor is too weak to do anything about it.
And the netherlands is a whore that got fed up and ran away, ending up better off on her own

>"Opressive feudal mindset" means nothing since France already had a very modern army thanks to the Hundred Years War.
Yeah, but economically incredibly backwards. Louis XIV managed somehow, but by the late 17th century this would bite them in the ass. Both France and Britain almost bankrupted themselves in the American war of Independence, but Britain's modern fiscal system managed to get them back on their feet in a matter of decades. France never managed to do the same, leading to the malaise that birthed the revolution in the first place. Because they failed to adapt, the whole rotting structure had to be torn down entirely and replaced by something more functional.

Technologically France was kinda up there, I guess. Everyone with money would send their children to the Université de Paris, kinda making it the Oxford of its time.

the pimp found another business tho (Austrian empire, later Austria-Hungary)
and one of the whores took over the whorehouse from the pimp (Prussia)

>seething clocklet
Meaningless if we are talking about culture and living standards. The most advanced weaponry in Europe was still made in South Germany or Northern Italy and Nürnberg was considered the silicon valley of its time. And France employed German Landsknecht troops - a lot.

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>Germany as an entity exists from the 10th century.
When and how did the idea of a "german nation" start?

treaty of Verdun 843 when the Frankish empire was divided
the west frankish (old french) ruler spoke the oath in old german to the east frankish officers who were there, the east frankish (old german) ruler spoke the oath in old french to the west frankish officers

In 1871 when eternal Pr*ssianoids created a fake plastic state and started a process that squelched numerous beautiful unique small states with distinct cultures and turned them into a boring homogenous "German" state, don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

>medieval bourgeois
>advanced

the topic of the thread is "why didn't german settle west". the answer is "because the french were already there and they were the military superpower of the middle ages". End of discussion. whether or not they had the best standard of living, best technology or whether or not they would remain as the superpower of europe into the modern age is irrelevant.

Westward the people had open access to ocean trade meaning they were richer than G*Rmany and that means that they were superior to G*Rmany in culture, economy and extended warfare

True dat.

1) France only became the premier military power in the 17th century (after the Thirty Years' War)
2) German migration happened because eastern Europe was sparsely populated unlike western Europe, not because they couldn't fight
German eastward expansion was a peaceful process for the most part

>Inb4 that gif posted by that flag

What gif and what flag?

Shut your fucking mouth. What settled in East lands of Europe were poor starving krautoid peasants runing away from opressive HRE serfdom.

That's what I already wrote in My reply was directed at the Italian who claimed that Germans were backwards compared to France which is ignorant af

Because the French settled eastward first, so scared, the G*rms settled eastward as well lmao

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Then how come they came to be the politically dominant class around almost the entire Baltic?

the Franco-German language barrier didn't change much over the centuries. The HRE simply encompassed plenty of Francophone territories until France gradually conquered them
pic related is the German language area in 962 at the coronation of Otto the Great

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Btw the fairy tale about the Hamelin Rat Piper is allegorically based on Germans who left their homes to settle in the east never to return, at least some claim that

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because DRANG NACH OSTEN

To be honest, France did the right thing pushing back Germanics people back to the Jura/Rhine border axis, pic related is Magna Germania, aka where the core Germanic people settled and come from. You can clearly they belong to central and eastern europe, not the west. The Rhine is reserved to the Celto-Romance realm, aka us.

This is why the Left Bank of Rhine concept as rightful limit between you and us should be applied: you getting northern NL, us southern NL, Belgium and Rhineland. You are free to settle as much as you want eastward after that.

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autism

Those were crusaders though, not peasant that settled in Bohemia and Poland.

Nah the crusaders just set up the infrastructure, they still needed normal peasants, clergy and whatnot to settle in Prussia and that went on until quite late, Tilsit cheese for example was made by a Swiss family who settled there

This is true, theres Nothing you can do about it, you don't belong to Western Europe historically. You have to go back.

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And the Dutch and Italians helped to build Gdansk, your point? People here love to pretend that different ethnicities settled only in East Europe, because superior Western man had to teach Slavic subhumans how to live. Nonsense, French settled in Germany and helped to industralize and civilize Brandenburg.
They don't belong in East Europe either, they were always an invasive specie.

True, to be more precise, this is where the deepest core of German people come from, compared to nowadays border

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youtube.com/watch?v=NlqyBIQ-Cac
>;_;

My "point" is that you claimed only Crusaders settled in East Prussia. Being this upset over ancient history is really cringy btw. Poles have such a victim complex.

we were unironically colonized by frogs and still are Brussels being biggest example of frog invasion

Come home, Batavian man.

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ugh...

Pot calling kettle black. Krautoids always think they are the god's chosen people. Where do you think kikes got that mentality from?

Come home, Rhenan man.

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Conquering Artois and South-Flanders was a piece of cake when 50% of the population fled to Holland and the only resistance was some incompetent Spanish meme army

They did after the fall of Rome.

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France is a Dutch invention

k

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For me its middle Francia

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Netherland is French, which justifies total annexation.

by that logic Senegal would be justified to annex France

k

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2-1 for Germany

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The wall you hit.

We're going full "Trauka į Vakarus" now, though.

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I'm waiting for you to reply to cause i got more lmao if you dare reply…
2-2

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is this supposed to be a joke?
if WW1 was a Franco-German thing it would've been over in 1914
I'm not taking credit for 1815 either despite Prussians and Austrians being involved in the defeat of Napoleon

Tegen de muur.

Coping hard lol, France was commanding the majority of all battle from the western front so it WAS France vs Germany.

pic related, 3-2

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>frog unironically taking credit for WW2

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me in the pink

Yes because this Based boy fucked your ass

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Why would my family have left Artois for Holland instead of France if there wasn't something like a Dutch culture?

Gebaseerd

Also in all seriousness, you krauts taking credit for making France surrending is as ridiculous as us taking credit for raping Europe during 5 wars before losing the two last one with Napoleon as leader

Only Germans would make a song about defeat and praise it as holy shit to their children and women.

What a fucking nation of feminine pathethic losers. lol

there were three conflicts in which it was a "1v1" between Germany and France
France vs Prussia 1806 (French victory)
Germany vs France 1870 (German victory)
Germany vs France 1940 (German victory)
in all other Franco-German conflicts other powers were heavily involved and decisive to the outcome.

>Germany vs France 1870 (German victory)
>PRUSSIA vs France
FTFY, Don't take credit for Prussia's achievements.

>Germany vs France 1940 (German victory)
>Germany vs France & England (& Benelux)
FTFY, it wasn't France ALONE.

France never face Germany as YOUR country is in 1v1 but in WWs as alliances Belligerents, which France won in Both.

Also, easy when you country is a baby compared to us, historically we are the most successful country in the world when it comes to war, and if you existed earlier, we probably would have smoke your asses like we did most Neighbors Countries, Kingdoms and others.

youtube.com/watch?v=HK5OsDWYJmQ

you're really really autistic man
are you underage?

Polish kangz were inviting you since middle ages, that's how Teutonic order took over Prussia.
Since Poland was rather sparsely populated all settlers from western Europe were welcomed, even the Jews.

Nothing but pure facts.
What i call a 1v1 war is a war with only 2 countries fighting, no sidekicks interventions.
Did that ever happened between France & Germany? No.
I won't repeat myself, your country only exist since 1871. The entity that beat us in 1870 was PRUSSIA, helped by several Independent German speaking states that was NOT part of Prussia. This was not Germany fighting technically speaking but a 4 vs 1 war.

The rest is the same:
WW1: a bunch of nations led by France vs a bunch led by Germany
WW2: a bunch of nations firstly co-led by France and UK, then led by UK/US and Free France as side kick vs a bunch of nations led by Germany fighting a two front war with Russia as cobelligerent and indirect ally of the UK/US/Free France triumvirate.

So the autistic, underaged guy here is you.
Open a fucking book ffs.

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>This was not Germany fighting technically speaking but a 4 vs 1 war.
gr8 b8 m8 i r8 it 8/8

he's severely autistic
always posting France map blobs and out of touch with reality

You can immigrate to the US right now can you?

Learn history faggots.

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Boy you are retarded. Go eat some macaco soup and leave european matters to the europeans.

so you're telling us that all of the german states with prussian wern't one germany when we had the france prussian war? That's like saying that every war great britain has ever fought was a 22 vs *insert number here*. It's just autistic to say user please leave this thread.

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he's obviously misrepresenting/lying to fit his pathetic narrative
it's tiresome to argue with autists such as him

AHEM

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you got all mixed it up. Great Britain was 1 Kingdom. Franco-Prussia war was definitely a 4 vs 1 war. And that coalition proclaimed officially as Germany AFTER the outcome of the war. Stop revisioning history ffs this is embarassing.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proclamation_of_the_German_Empire
>after the joint victory of the German states in the Franco-Prussian War.

this is my last (you)s i'm giving you dumb, untitled, revisionist Krauts. Open a book before saying bullshits

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Das ganze Deutschland soll es sein!
O Gott vom Himmel, sieh darein!
Und gib uns rechten deutschen Mut
dass wir es lieben treu und gut!
Das soll es sein!
Das soll es sein!
Das ganze Deutschland soll es sein!

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the German states that fought against France in 1870/71 were the exact same states that formed the German empire, and during the empire they kept their kingdoms, they even kept their armies
>muh it was Prussia, not Germany!
in German it's called German-French war, in French it's called Franco-German war, only the Brits call it Franco-Prussian war
de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsch-Französischer_Krieg
fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerre_franco-allemande_de_1870
now such a dick you autistic retard

The unification happend 18th. of January 1871, france got defeated at the 28th. Of January 1871. So basicaly germany won agains france and not just alot of smaller german countrys and prussia.

You think states with armies the size of Luxembourg's had actual influence over the outcome?

gebaseerd krulbroodje