Northern Danes
Northern Danes
Andrew Jenkins
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Andrew Jones
yeah alright whatever jacques
Nolan Martinez
that's an insult to danes
Asher Smith
what's everyone's problem with us anyway
why do you care
Josiah Rivera
you are just south anglos in the north, west french in the east, and north iberians in the south
Landon Torres
Actually, Western Swedes.
Oliver Phillips
Unternehmen Weserübung 2.0 when?
Jaxson Ramirez
>a norwegian replies to something
Mason Hughes
didn't mean to attach seen been but enjoy
Gabriel Stewart
Shut up, Eastern Norway. Nobody gave you permission to post in this thread.
Carter Flores
we're bitter and jealous because of your money
send me a tenner via paypal please
Joseph Lewis
norgay. what even is a norway. why is norway less shit than england. less dysgenics due to later industrialisation?
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James Lewis
norway and denmark are based and redpilled, they raped my ancestors
sweden is cringepilled, they never even tried to rape my ancestors
Ethan Parker
No.
Blake Cruz
Luis Lopez
Alright my nigga you're gonna have to give me sauce on this girl
ps. Fuck norway
Adam Collins
Doesn't look like "Western Sweden" to me, söta bror.
Now, can you scram? This is a thread for continental butthurt, not somali butthurt.
Robert Gomez
>sweden is cringepilled, they never even tried to rape my ancestors
This is a huge misconception. For one thing, Ragnar Lodbrok and his kin were actually Swedish according to the Icelandic sagas, and besides, there were lots of raping and pillaging of England from Sweden as is attested by their runes:
Blake Cox
but you are continental
Michael Hall
even in the vikings tv show they say Ragnar is swedish
Easton Cox
>Swede comes into a literal "Norway hate thread" and manages to get triggered and defends himself and his brown nation
Unbelievable. Have some self respect.
Jose Lewis
GOOD post
hate it when those continental scandis try to join our cool kids club
Jeremiah Richardson
>even in the vikings tv show they say Ragnar is swedish
I have not seen it but I doubt that they do.
Logan Phillips
No, they don't.
t. watched all of it so far
Xavier Bailey
I have only seen the first 5 episodes and it's the only thing I remember. They also walk across Sweden to the west
Carter Mitchell
Now this is butthurt.
Asher Bell
threads like this remind me of why norway really is the best nation in the world
success breeds jealousy, including from our two scandinavian neighbours.
sleep well, OP
sleep well, swede in the thread
i'm out
Asher Gonzalez
Have a good night mate
Matthew Peterson
Elijah Evans
Yeah, I saw a few episodes of that as well and it's really odd. They use the same geography for all scenes in Denmark, Sweden, and Norway despite it being radically different. They depict it as though their little village is some mountainous place, when by the name (Kattegat) it should be in the southern plains of Sweden or eastern Denmark, because that name is the sound between Denmark and Sweden. It wasn't called anything like that back then by the way, but was named so by Dutch sailors much later (it mean's Cat's gate). Also, in the episode where they go to Uppsala (which is in Sweden) they depict it in a hilariously inaccurate manner.
Things like this and other autistic details is why I never bothered to watch it beyond a few episodes.
Jonathan Williams
I like Norway :^)
Angel Hernandez
they likely didn't consult any scandinavian about it like they consult italians for HBO series. Then again, the vice president of HBO is an "italian" american so that's probably the reason things like My Brilliant Friend are more accurate than some viking show no one was supposed to carry about on a shitty network.
Ayden Ross
>they likely didn't consult any scandinavian about it like they consult italians for HBO series.
It's actually really embarrassing to admit that they did. They even cast a bunch of Scandinavians and had Scandinavian directors and it's just an awful mess despite this fact. I think the problem was notes from executives to make it "darker and edgier" and all that.
Dominic Foster
highly probable those runes were commissioned by danes and norwegians, as most runemasters congregated around uppsala
the name viking also originates from a place in norway, not sweden
Adam Morris
No, there are several things wrong with you just said. First off, they're confirmed Swedes. And you didn't have to be a "runemaster" to be able to write in runes. It's true that nearly runestones are found in Sweden though. Something like 2500 vs 250 in Denmark and 50 in Norway. If any "Dane or Norwegian" would commission them, they would be found there. So Swedes did like to make runes a lot, but it wasn't as though you had to be specialized to write runes. Lots of runic grafitti has been found in Bergen, for example and it's inane shit like "Borghild takes it up the ass by Ingvar". So yeah.
Connor Gomez
>the name viking also originates from a place in norway, not sweden
The etymology is not a place. What nonsense. Vik is an incredibly common place name, besides that.
Anthony Hall
runic grafitti on rune sticks, not stones. the håkon jarl runestones are contemporary of the jarl of norway with the same name, who did travel through sweden and probably comissioned those stones.
there's also no "confirmed swedes", there are no contemporary sources talking about swedes, yet there are tons talking about danes and norwegians (the westfaldingi/ westfoldham mentioned by the franks for example)
Bentley Ross
My region is Finnish, we all want to join Finland. Finnmark is rightful finnish clay
Wyatt Reed
Daniel Jenkins
Based
Luis Rivera
/norgetråden/
I'm out utgaven
Andrew Rogers
freya.theladyofthelabyrinth.com
bit cringy to see swedes try to piggy back off the viking identity created by danes and norwegians
Jeremiah Brown
Northern Germans
Lincoln Smith
No, that is a complete crackpot theory that you have going here now. There is a mention of a few foreigners on runestones, such as Håkon Jarl of Norway, but those aren't the same as these stones. There is also a Swedish viking of the same name.
As for the written sources, I trust the Icelanders (who were just mainly Norwegians), but I'm no expert there to be honest. I do know that Danes and Swedes were rarely differentiated by foreigners, besides.
Eli Lopez
germans are literally just the remains of scandinavians migrating south tho
Lucas Mitchell
>freya.theladyofthelabyrinth.com
Thanks for the link to that blog, but it isn't compelling evidence. It's just a bunch of guesswork by an amateur.
>bit cringy to see swedes try to piggy back off the viking identity created by danes and norwegians
Some of the best known attestations of vikings and their customs and deeds are confirmed to be of Swedish vikings, by foreigners and Icelanders alike. Not to mention the fact that Sweden seemed to have been the cultural center of the time, and in fact the richest.
What's really cringy is trying to romanticise your own part and history in this so intensely. I think it has to do with the fact that you had to establish a national identity very quickly, and then all this stuff sort of became exclusive to you, in your mind. We also had a slight resurgence of national romanticism, but not nearly as significant as you did.
Brody Morris
I think that theory isnt widely accepted anymore. Jastorf culture had some distinct elements compared to the nordic bronze age
Gabriel Campbell
Culture =/= genetics though
Charles Ross
>crackpot theory
how? everything we know suggests danes (in particular) and norwegians would be the ones raising the runestones.
why would contemporary sources completely fail to mention swedes while they mention danes and norwegians all the time? if swedes were so prominent vikings, wouldnt they have at least made the people they raided aware of what "people" they belonged to, like norwegians and danes did?
tell me one contemporary source which actually mentions swedish raiders. i can name a bunch mentioning norwegians, can you name some?
>mentions sources left and right
>guesswork
lol alright
denmark was by far the richest at this point in history, as hedeby was most definitly the largest city in scandinavia for a long while until it got destroyed
Hudson Brown
>how? everything we know suggests danes (in particular) and norwegians would be the ones raising the runestones.
No, that's just not true. Completely unfounded, in fact. It's just a convenient explanation you have decided to use for why the great majority of runestones are found in Sweden. It's not credible. Sorry.
>why would contemporary sources completely fail to mention swedes while they mention danes and norwegians all the time? f swedes were so prominent vikings, wouldnt they have at least made the people they raided aware of what "people" they belonged to, like norwegians and danes did?
I'm not so sure that's true, it's just something you said, but I'm no expert. I do know, like I said, that Swedes and Danes weren't as differentiated especially on account of speaking the same dialect. Foreigners even called Norwegians Danes on more than one occasion. So there's that, I guess. Like I said though: I trust the Icelanders who did emphasize the Swedishness of many important figures in the west.
>tell me one contemporary source which actually mentions swedish raiders. i can name a bunch mentioning norwegians, can you name some?
No, I'm not an expert. I'm sure you've taken an interest in Norwegians though. I'm not really contesting that there is more stuff like that, all I'm saying is that Swedes in the west are attested through runestones and sagas, mainly.
>denmark was by far the richest at this point in history, as hedeby was most definitly the largest city in scandinavia for a long while until it got destroyed
Riches (particularly gold) uncovered in Sweden are known to be profound, but there is a possibility that I'm conflating this with a previous era. Doubt it.
And yes, it is definitely a bunch of guesswork:
>Various theories have been offered that the word “vikingr” may be derived from this place name, meaning “a person from Viken”.
>[...]people from Viken are particularly cruel and wild, so who knows?
Answer? Nobody. Guesswork.
Jace Clark
Northern Brothers
Nathaniel Edwards
icelanders wrote down this stuff several centuries after they allegedly happened, which is why i only use contemporary sources as proof. the frankish annals twice mentions the people of vestfold, the anglo-saxon chronicle mentions danes and norwegians seperately ( no swedes in sight, one would think that swedes would be mentioned at least once as raiding england if you were so prominent there). norwegians and danes being mixed together did often happen, particurarily when it comes to the settling of normandy. but one thing sticks out, swedes are never mentioned in this context either
these "important figures in the west", and im sure you're talking about people like ragnar lothbrok, were most definitly danes. a more or less contemporary irish source actually suggests he was a son of the king of norway. rurik was perhaps also identical to rorik of dorestad, so hed have been a dane too
>guesswork
that blog seems awfully better at actually mentioning sources than you, so what am i to make of what you think about all this
Jordan Mitchell
Yeah, I know when the Icelanders wrote. Still, I wonder why they wrote what they did. And again, the stuff about Swedes not being mentioned is just going by what you say. I'm don't have expert knowledge, but I feel like I can't trust you when you cite blogs with "who knows?" tier guesswork as sources for your claims. Plus, the whole claim about all the runestones in Sweden actually being Danish and Norwegian is just very far-fetched. I hate to question your credibility in this manner, because I like learning stuff, but I think it's necessary in this case.
>people like ragnar lothbrok, were most definitly danes.
Not according to Icelanders. Why this difference exists, I do not know. Why do you think that the Icelanders wrote that they were Swedes?
>he was a son of the king of norway. rurik was perhaps also identical to rorik of dorestad, so hed have been a dane too
Ah yes, more confusion. Perhaps indicating they were more legend than real?
Look, I need to summarize. It cannot be denied that these England runestones exist for a reason. You seem to think that people like Ulf of Borresta (a runemaster himself) were either Danish or Norwegian, despite the locations of the runestones all over core Swedish territory. That's your theory, and I think it's way out there. Occam's razor would have Swedish vikings raising runestones to themselves and their kin in Sweden., as they did with the Ingvar stones and the Greece stones etc. It also cannot be contested that the Icelandic sagas document the Swedishness of many important figures who went westward. You ignore this, most likely because Danish writers (who also wrote centuries later) say they were Danes. That's fine, many were probably a amalgam of several figures in actual fact. Still, there is something undeniably Swedish about these heroes and great leaders and the attestations of these raids, so my conclusion is that it is a misconception to say that they were Danish or Norwegian exclusively. That's all.
Cameron Long
Christian Johnson
im fucking dead
Andrew Price
holy fucc m'dicc
Joseph Diaz
who is this
Brody Campbell
I want to marry Siri Leland!
Easton Wright
>cutoff is exactly where the pre-1920 borders are
really makes you think...
James Howard
North-Western Swedes
Colton Wright
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