Grats, Pakistan

I don’t get it, why are you laughing at the ramp

ramps are not as good as a catapult system. you can't launch as many sorties and they can't maximize their load capacity.

ramps are unamerican

rampies deserve the rope
day of the flatening soon brothers

gay and rampfull posts

catapult allows some special aircraft with heavier ratios to launch like those funny mushroom ones

So the US will sell one special missile to India? then what?

A ramp restricts the type of aircraft you can launch. You must also reduce the takeoff weight of the aircraft, meaning you're generally going to carry less weapons than if you launched via catapult

are the boys allowed to fish off the back in their spare time? Can you get what you catch cooked?

What purpose would this serve to Pakistan? Cool you can now station 30 jets off your coast. But now you have to spend billions in maintaining it, if you don't have to project power internationally, there's no point to one.

they are training wheels, it's basically used to educate the pakistanis on how a carrier would operate and what weaknesses it has. also, if india has one, pakistan needs to have one. -_-

who's going to teach them? the chinese? lmao

China gives railguns (with ramps) to pakistan

nah, you learn by operating one

But there's literally no point. Carriers are absurdly expensive, and you have to have total naval and air supremacy to even use them in combat or they get sunk easily. It may be dumb for India to have one, it's just plain retarded for Pakistan to have one.

superpoower by 20xx?

Superpower by 2030.25

ps.reddit.com/r/CredibleDefense/comments/anzuzf/china_to_sell_an_aircraft_carrier_to_pakistan/

inshallah

the liaoning is basically training wheels. you use to to see what your next generation aircraft carrier needs and what kind of deficiencies you can improve on. a carrier doesn't need naval and air supremacy to be useful. you're mentality is an all-or-nothing one. pakistan only needs to learn from having a carrier to a) develop a next generation one b) learn the weaknesses of carriers in general and c) bully smaller countries with it.

No, i get that. But Pakistan will never be in a position to bully other counties. And please tell me in what way in can be useful without total supremacy? Do you think Pakistan is gonna waste tens of millions tugging this waste to a humanitarian mission? lol You think an Indian or whoever they go up against will just chill and not fling torpedos and missiles at it and sink it the moment hostilities begin? I get China wanting to sink billions in the program since they have a chance of becoming global hegemons, but some back water like Pakistan? Even the Soviet union knew to give up after trying for a bit.

you can always bully smaller countries. pakistan is 41st in the world for nominal gdp, there are always smaller fish in the world.

i told you a) build a next general carrier or b) learn how carriers work and exploit their weaknesses. pakistan has had no experience with carriers are all, they know nothing about them and it would be beneficial to them to learn whatever weaknesses they can exploit. they also probably got a good deal on it since the chinese were done with it and are already working on type-001,002 and 003 carriers.

>41
So there's 40 more bigger fish who already have vested interest everywhere in the world and wont sit idly by while Pakistan bullies them?

A training wheel, but nowhere in the article does it state they'll give it any time soon? Probably wont give it up for another 10 years. And when that time comes, they're be trying to learn stuff in 2030, from a aircraft carrier built with 70's technology. There's nothing to gain, literally nothing. And China giving good deals to the inferior subsidiaries. lol

so you don't pick a fight with the 40th people ahead of you. and if it does come to it, you use what you got, which is still better than what they had before the carrier. their regional rival is india which is a relatively newbie to carriers too, so keeping pace with them in knowledge is beneficial.

who knows could be 1 year or 10 years from now. nobody else is going to sell Pakistan a carrier and they ain't going through the cost of making one domestically from scratch.

Goes to the IMF for a bailout. Then spend that money on an aircraft carrier.

Pakis have their priorities straight.

ramps are important. don't forget the ramps.

Durka, Durka!

Pakistan is going to IMF for the bailout to meet its balance of payment needs. If it decides to sink money into stupid shit as this no one can save them. They don't need India to fuck them, they can fuck themselves into being a failed state.

No license unfortunately

This
>shitskin fiscal responsibility

who cares, they can just debt swap with china for building belt and road projects.

debt swap what?
Pakis have nothing to give to china except their arguably fertile land. Pakis don't have oil.

china needs Pakistan to fulfill their belt and road project. they will simply get more favourable terms for signing more projects to offset the cost of the carrier. China needs Pakistan to complete the CPEC.

Hmmm are they the Greeks of South Asia?

Good luck, guys. You're going to need it.

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Half the articles I'm finding have China saying they arent selling Pakistan their carrier.

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kek, to be fair they haven't been disabled by ramming into oil tankers though.

That type of aircraft carriers out lift at full speed advance every time they fly a fighter plane.
It is not possible to use it in combat because of fuel shortage.

If that's the former Varyag, I'm pretty sure it had problems since day one.

Why would Pakistan need one just because India has one? If a war breaks out between the two, it'll be a land war with possible nuclear exchange. Carriers are useless for such a thing.

fucks sake

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It's a fucking ramp rofl

to understand what problems the indian carriers would have. nuclear war is a last resort. ultimately pakistan would try to win a conventional war before devolving into a nuclear exchange. they aren't so stupid to realize that going nuclear means every member of their government is going to be executed for war crimes, either by the US or a coalition of forces.

IIRC the Liaoning is a death trap that used to belong to the Soviet Union who then sold it to Ukraine who then sold it the PRC who then proceeded to use it as a floating casino for a while before deciding to use it as a carrier.

Yo what's wrong with that cargo ship? It looks like they built a skateboarding rink on it.

but WHY would they need to know that ffs. Carriers are so easy to take out. That's why america surrounds them with a whole fleet and stations them hundreds of miles from the action. Pakistan will not be able to do that, they tug whatever sorry carrier they have and it will be destroyed. Carriers should be the last addition to a high sea's fleet, not a stepping stone. Land war is the most important theater they'll ever have. Winning a navel victory with the enemy is pointless when you dont have the means to blockade

OH NO NO NO!

>A

>FUCKING

>RAMP!

AHHHHHHHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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Does Pakistan have enough asw protection to protect theur carrier?

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It's because China's using Pakistans land route to circumvent the Malacca strait for Chinas oil imports. China knows the oil still needs to make it to the port of Gwadar through the Arabian sea, which India could restrict with its navy thats larger than Pakistans and currently has one aircraft carrier.

China gave Pakistan an aircraft carrier because it could """help""" prevent Indian naval blockades, which would render the more than 46 billion dollar network China built in Pakistan to be absolutely useless.

fuckin clockwork lmao

China doesn't have railguns, aren't we the only ones with them still

nuke is coming soon

yea yea

sweden is a pretty cool guy

It was never a casino the whole story was a cover. The original engines were preserved. It also managed to make the protracted 3 year journey from Ukraine to China in the neglected condition the Ukrainians left it in.

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What the Chinks forgot to tell the Pakis is that they lost no less than 4 planes plus their pilots with that ship, could be 5 if burger media is to be believed.

>bought on AliExpress

why is there a bridge at the nose of that ship? care to explain?

frankly i don't see why can't you just launch more of smaller aircrafts. not in a smaller timeframe obviously but for an assault you can collect your swarm above the ship expending minimal fuel until they gathered up.

>dear friend.........

5 cunts have them(China, France/Germany, Turkey USA) but they aren't in use anywhere I think except for some prototypes for testing purposes.

no the bridge is roughly in the middle to the side

holy shit that looks like a taxi

The purpose of a ramp is to provide irrumination when it is dark outside and you cannot see without right. Rike when it is night or something, maybe rain is farring, you just turn on the ramp.

Liaoning will serve the PLAN till the 2030s. No plans to explort it.

Thank you China. You are good friend

>door opens on the inside
jesus christ

what the fuck does Pakistan need an aircraft carrier for?
they should first get their regular army in order
tanks that aren't from the 1950s would be a good start

Bump

Block III will come soon, including AESA,

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