>BARCELONA (Reuters) - Facts, not fears, should decide the future of telecoms network security in Europe, industry leaders and policy chiefs said this week, brushing off U.S. calls for a ban on Chinese vendors.
>"If Washington has proof of their claims, why won't they just show us?" asked Paul Triolo, head of geo-technology at research firm Eurasia Group.
>"Whenever we ask for evidence, they make threats instead, saying we are either with them or with China. No middle ground. This is not the way to do business. This is not how to convince us."
>Both Germany and Britain have agreed to move forward with allowing Huawei to help develop their 5G networks, despite pleas from U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo to wait for the availability of "American alternatives," which he promised would be "freer and safer."
Wow, I thought you guys were supposed to be America's ally. Where's the trust?
The problem isn't that they can spy, the problem is that Huawei like all big communist corporation is directly linked to the gov and could shut down communication networks in case of conflict
William Richardson
>In Addis Ababa, the gleaming 20-storey headquarters of the African Union (AU) rises above the dusty skyline as a testament to the China–Ethiopia and broader China–Africa relationship. The Chinese government, which announced the project in 2006, built and financed the entire US$200 million complex, from the attached 2,500-seat grand conference hall to the office furniture. According to the World Bank, around 12,000 to 15,000 officials and representatives from various entities visit the AU Commission for summits, meetings and other events each year.
>In January 2018, France’s Le Monde newspaper published an investigation, based on multiple sources, which found that from January 2012 to January 2017 servers based inside the AU’s headquarters in Addis Ababa were transferring data between 12 midnight and 2 am—every single night—to unknown servers more than 8,000 kilometres away hosted in Shanghai. Following the discovery of what media referred to as ‘data theft’, it was also reported that microphones hidden in desks and walls were detected and removed during a sweep for bugs.
>The AU Commission signed a contract with Huawei on 4 January 2012. By the time the building hosted its first AU Summit on 29 January 2012, Huawei’s ICT solution—which included computing, storage sharing, WiFi and unified resource allocation services through cloud data centres—was in play.
>"Whenever we ask for evidence, they make threats instead, saying we are either with them or with China. Is that really a smart gamble? There is a not insignificant amount of trade between some large EU country and the USA, but China has kind of been expanding global trade, including with Germany, France, etc. for some time now. Do the Americans really think the EU is going to bend over and gape for them forever?
Isaiah Cox
It could be that the evidence might compromise some intelligence asset, although the fact that the UK is going ahead with it despite being part of FVEY might show that there is no substantial evidence.
Andrew Rodriguez
Proof? Since when does the US need proof for anything?
Isaiah Ortiz
Looks like China is forcing you to bend over and gape atm. Are you cool with it?
>despite pleas from U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo to wait for the availability of "American alternatives," lmao America on suicide watch
Anthony Evans
can't get proofs when your entire family will be sent to a camp if you provide them
Logan Murphy
cope
Christopher Roberts
t. Southern Asia
Colton Cooper
>No, no! Don't use THEIR spying hardware, use OUR spying hardware!
It's all so tiring.
Juan Morgan
Uh oh, America uses spies who would’ve thunk it. If you think the rest of Europe isn’t also spying on us, ESPECIALLY the UK you’re retarded.
Dylan Johnson
I'm posting from a Huawei Fuck burgers
Lincoln Howard
politics belong on Jow Forums, not here.
Jace Mitchell
You'd think there would be some sort of delegation process that could allow enough information to be imparted in order to reach a satisfying conclusion without potentially exposing state secrets. Maybe there is but who knows how these mostly behing closed door affairs work. That, or Brussels could just pay Israel to provide them with the relevant intel, :^)
Our coal exports to China have diminished greatly over the years and was nothing like it was a decade ago, Cleetus. What you have posted is a byproduct of Australia being America's little bitch, since we blindly followed them with their illegal extradition handling of that CEO in Canada. Our largest mining corporation is currently pillaging Mongolian natural resources, no doubt to the detriment of all but a handful of already very wealthy investors.
Please return to the USA, already.
Noah Ramirez
>don't buy technology from China, they'll spy you! >uhh what do you mean US spies EU? w-well everyone spies on everybody so all things being equal why not buy from China if it's cheaper and better.
Nicholas Perry
The UK is part of 5 eyes, you probably asked us to spy on you, since you can't spy on your own citizens.
Grayson Hernandez
>Americans only like capitalism when it goes their way kek
John Roberts
How's your Real Estate friendo?
here it's bad, Chinks are buying everything.
Austin Bell
Why is an organisation called the Eurasia group founded by an American and headquartered in NYC?
Also, they arent exactly China friendly.
>Other top 10 risks included (in order): "G-Zero and the Middle East," "Eurozone," "US, "North Korea, "Pakistan," "China," "Egypt," "South Africa," and "Venezuela."[6]
>In January 2013, Eurasia Group announced that "the era of emerging market abundance is finished", and listed volatility in emerging markets as the year's top risk. The report breaks down emerging markets into those "becoming developed", "still emerging--and problematically so", and "backsliding", and outlined the downside risk of markets in each category. Also listed in the report as top risks were (in order) "China v. information", "Arab summer", "Washington Politics", "JIBs - Japan, Israel and Britain", "Europe", "East Asian geopolitics", "Iran", "India", and "South Africa."[7]
Chase Mitchell
or just buy swedish, which is the best alternative and you don't have to support the roaches
Ethan Bell
>I thought you guys were supposed to be America's ally. You thought wrong, we are their vassals. They control us through the might of their economy/army and the dollar. We sort of have a longer leash with Trump since he made it clear that he does not give a shit about Europe, and that is a good thing.
Jace Evans
I'd rather if no one spied on me tbqhwy
Josiah Wright
>>Both Germany and Britain have agreed to move forward with allowing Huawei to help develop their 5G networks, despite pleas from U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo to wait for the availability of "American alternatives," which he promised would be "freer and safer."
Britain found a lot of unintentional security holes in their equipment and isnt allowing it to be their 5G backbone. Not exactly a ringing endorsement.
That falls under the manifest destiny part of American exceptionalism, desu senpai.
Shit but very little to do with foreign investors. Wealthy foreign investors buy up already stupidly overpriced exclusive penthouses, etc. and are hit with huge excess taxes aimed at non-citizens. Our housing market was ruined by greedy boomers who bought up a shitload of housing stock for a pennies, voted in governments who promised them all sorts of leverage and loopholes on properties, then after swallowing up the market, ensured said benefits were all but closed off to younger generations. At least their generation is slowly dying out.
Colton Gray
This. Trump has been a godsend, maybe Europe will now stand on its own finally.
pretty much everyone who works in network security kniws that the vast majority of sketchy IPs come from Russia and China, especially trying to attack passwords and logins
William Cruz
>pretty funny to talk about trust when americans were spying merkel Yes, because they didn't do the same thing and allies never spy on eachother.
>And Russia Despite having a former KGB officer as president they arent that great at it anymore. Not for lack of trying though.
Cameron Clark
that's a different opinion than I have heard when I was there. Totally understand about boomers buying low and selling high. Otherwise then I hear in your television and all, is china investments compromising Australians growth?
where are you from in aussieland?
Cameron Bailey
Did people conveniently forget what Snowdon revealed? How do people still trust the government over spying makes no sense to me
Matthew Richardson
>We sort of have a longer leash with Trump since he made it clear that he does not give a shit about Europe It was Obama who started it with his shift to Asia/China policy. What Trump made clear was Europe had to contribute more.
William Lewis
>they arent that great at it anymore uhhh have you seen how they easily review bombed captain marvel?
Nathaniel Turner
Cue in the bloomBERG news article from a few months ago about supermicro implanting spying chips on their server motherboards, their stocks dropping and then supermicro clients coming out saying that they certified the boards and the source for the claim saying "I said it was physically possible, not that they did ffs" and third parties also corroborating If the EU really is on the fence with the US and China, every baseless claim will tip the scale slightly towards the Chinese. Ironic to push them to side with China after decades of "chinese fabricated statistics and false propaganda"
Ryan Powell
What?
Ethan Lewis
Our TV is owned by the likes of the Murdochs, essentially watered down versions of American mainstream corporate propaganda. Foreign investors are an easy target to scare the masses but what they never tell people is that our larget share of foreign investors are UK based. I'm from the South Coast of NSW.
David Rivera
>>I AM BILLYBOB I MAKE 5G DONT BUY CHINGCHONG >>but billybob we want 5G now >>I AM BILLYBOB CHINGCHONG CHEATS REEEEEE Where is our competing 5G product? Also, they do fucking cheat, worse and more incompetently than other companies.
>telegraph >bloomberg >washington post Mate, come on.
Jaxson Martin
IIRC the government/military doesnt just have contracts but invested billions in them.
Brody Ross
>implying I used China spying on Europe as an argument Who gives a shit if they spy on you, the problem is that if they control your communications to that extent, they can turn it all off in the advent of conflict, be it militarily or political, and Yuros are too dumb to see the threat of potential communication monopoly in their country by a foreign power.
Mason Phillips
>Russia is a third world banana republic huh >Stop hacking our power grids, elections, stop forcing our people vote for Brexit and stop electing "far-"""""""right"""""""" parties in the EU!!!!11 Great enough to make americans and liberals around the world call everyone, even their friends, russian bots. youtube.com/watch?v=_fHfgU8oMSo
Luke Moore
interesting. we were close then, I was living in Sydney, eastern suburbs.
So, basically they are sending Australians growth to UK while blaming the bubble on China?
Thomas Hernandez
Ever notice how Europeans don't even bother anymore? Why the fuck are euros relying on chinks, Russians and Americans in the first place?
Develop your own shit
Lincoln Wood
They data mine they don't care about your furry porn and pop consumption. It's like observing a highway in a major u.s. city at rushhour looking for a silver Aston Martin and making a note of when and where its spotted.
Bentley Watson
# >so all things being equal why not buy from China if it's cheaper and better. Umm I guess you’re a freaking idiot, really.
Do you realize that the top competitors in the global telecommunication equipment industry are Huawei, Erikson, and fucking NOKIA?? It amuses me to see how naive one can be to take side with his rival just to sound woke lol.
Kayden Perry
Bezos has a chair position on the board of defence in America, senpai. As in Mr. Amazon has an executive role regarding military research and spending.
Jaxson Ortiz
>Develop your own shit Why? If it's cheaper and more efficient to outsource, why not do so? Globalization and comparative advantage bitch, world is a better place when Europe does some shit and China does other shit, like 5G.
William Fisher
If China does something cheaper and better then hell yeah I support buying from then than from Nokia. World has moved forward from the days of protectionism.
Adam Cox
sorry that the Bulgarian Times or Xiaozhou Gazette isn't reporting on these issues, Chang. It's not like the Chinese government already pressures newspapers and forums to take down articles with a negative light on chinese behavior. How about you stop denying what literally everyone in the security industry knows, and take your head out of your ass.
Robert Thompson
WTF happened to Nokia?
Samuel Cooper
rnd is costly. Is like saying why not build your own 5th gen stealth jet? Reminder huawei infrastructure being use worldwide and they always won goverment contract.
>Vassal If that's the case France is the shittiest vassal ever. You have a long history of telling us to fuck off.
Jaxson Ross
Nokia ans Ericsson have joint ventures with China.
Henry Gonzalez
Nokia is still developing their 5G equipment Huawei is in production
Carson Evans
Interesting considering how much the company committed attempted IP theft on T-mobile.
Ayden Turner
>EUROPE TELLS AMERICA
did we tell them to fuck off yet?
Nicholas Turner
>How about you stop denying what literally everyone in the security industry knows, and take your head out of your ass. Translation: >Ree, swallow my baseless propaganda I bet you were all for the Iraq war as well, you fucking cretin.
Xavier Baker
literally everyone does, its the best method to get access to the chinese domestic market because of their protectionism. It also involves the handover of used intellectual property to the chinese government for "evaluation", imagine that
Noah Jackson
>The US wire tapped someone, so honestly the most logical course here is to allow backdoored chink tech to be the entire foundation of our communication system
European """intellectuals"""
Nathan Hall
>do you have proofs that the chinese are using 5G to their own nebulous affairs? >FUCK OFF Yeah, really convincing.
David Powell
>being chinks' little bitch will make the trade more fair than ever!! actually it's the other way around
Jack Adams
>strawmaning Get the fuck out of my country you chinkshit
Charles Turner
>have to choose between the Chinese or the Americans having my data 4G satiates all my needs given that I barely use my phone, but if I had to choose, I'd rather be spied on by the Chinese tbqh
Logan Bailey
I kind of doubt there is any relevant information. If there were a compelling security reason that the US knows about, the UK would know too. From what I know it's mostly geopolitical dick measuring. Assuming there isn't a thawing of Sino-American relations after Trump leaves office, then Europe needs to decide which, if any, power they want to align with in a new Cold War.
Juan Clark
>despite pleas from U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo to wait for the availability of "American alternatives," which he promised would be "freer and safer." Can't make this shit up
>he counters with a strawman stop putting words in my mouth, the issues are clear for anyone who knows what the fuck they are doing with tech and IP, you're clearly someone who has no idea or awareness of any sort of manufacturing or design field. So stop shilling your baseless uneducated opinion, understand that you have no idea about issues you've convinced yourself you understand, and get the fuck out
Camden Nguyen
Where does Europe want to excel then? Technology is the future, are you sure you should just import everything and only produce wine and classical music?
Connor James
>your country Your country is America, where you can slurp all of the corporate spooge you like, directly from the nossle.
Camden King
>Americans >ally Trump called us the new foe. They can go fuck themselves just like Russia.
Dominic Stewart
The USA literally does not even care about trade with mainland Europe. It is a very, very small part of USAs economy.
Tyler Anderson
Yeah and everyone in the intelligence community was sure that Iraq had WMDs. Fuck that shit, never believing anything americans say about things again.
Carson Collins
That wasn't a strawman. Those publication ARE western/American corporate propaganda. >shilling Shilling what? Fucking stupid crypto-yank.
Thomas Mitchell
Because you make a bunch of money and exert power by creating your own shit and getting the rest of the world to buy it. That's literally the entire philosophy behind Chinese power.
Austin Barnes
kek
Cameron Martinez
My country is this one which I love. Yours is the dictatorship to the north who the majority of Australians dislike, including their retardedly nationalist diaspora like yourself.
Nathaniel Phillips
the EU and China should unite to DESTROY THE USA!!!!
Luke Hernandez
Why use stuff from the spying Chinese or wait a long time for the Americans to come up with their alternative when you can just wait a little while and use buy Nokia 5G?
They should be ready for building in 2019, early 2020 at the latest.
Aaron Fisher
>That's literally the entire philosophy behind Chinese power. Huh, everyone benefits, we get cheap shit and they get jobs. Chinese power seems much much better than American power that consists of destroying countries all over the world, destabilizing regions sending rapefugees and terrorists to Europe.
Dylan Cook
It's also the philosophy that American power was built upon, and British power before us.
Ayden Barnes
Europoors would rather makeout with insects just to show America that they can rebel
Gavin Thompson
Honestly, we should let the Euros screw themselves over. In the Future, when China is putting more pressure on them, they'll beg for America to do something and we should just let China rape them.
Luis Clark
Look it up. Hardly any of the USAs GDP relies on international trade, and about half of that very small portion is in North America. There’s a reason why the USA is distancing itself from mainland Europe, there is simply not enough economic incentive to be as involved
Dominic Mitchell
>they'll beg for America to do something and we should just let China rape them. All your industry is already owned by the Chinese including your president. How many patents his wife got now in China? 10?
If you were actually competent at hacking we wouldn't be catching you at it all the time.
Justin Ramirez
>In the Future In the future EU will do good business with China enriching both entities. Until US and China end up nuking eachother over SCS or somesuch stupid thing meaning that all good rebuilding contracts will be available for Europeans.
