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How's the student life?
Making this thread instead of listening in class
>I noticed the previous thread was archived
>I looked for the new DJT from the catalog
>two DJT exist, one was made by a German user, one was made by an Israeli user.
so, which should I get in?
This thread was made 2 minutes earlier, and the other one has no posts
ドイツくん、君のスレを消してください
>Making this thread instead of listening in class
What a 不良
>ツッパリ
>ワル
>and even, "ヤンキー"
>This thread was made 2 minutes earlier, and the other one has no posts
I see.
>ドイツくん、君のスレを消してください
I remember correctly, once a thread was made, no one can delete it except mods,
so we have no choice, but to wait for the other one to be archived.
>I remember correctly
*if I remember correctly
oops, I messed it up.
I think the OP can delete a thread, though I'm not sure
計算の言語学が難しいよ、僕はアホんだ
What's a good way of listening/reading the sort of common language you'd encounter among people our age (young adults, basically)?
>Textbooks are great, but they only cover the underlying grammar of the language, not so much the everyday form people use.
>Anime, manga, light novels and all other stuff in this category use exagerrated and generally simple language.
>Online Japanese is excessively lingo-based. It's nice that a lot of stuff on Twitter and across various comment sections reads like Jow Forums threads, but I'm fairly certain people don't call everyone fags, riajuus, and so on in everyday conversation.
>What I'm left with are movies/shows, but I'm weary of these becaue that was a clear way to disaster in English.
>Books seem nice, but no way I could manage to read through one without a lot more personal time with vocabulary practice. Not counting the fact I'd love to read through a real book and getting one written in Japanese over here involves buying and shipping stuff from Japan.
Any advice on this one? The guide refers to finding a person to chat with online.
However, I don't want to waste someone else's time this way and I've learned to speak English just fine without any pen pals.
Streamers, youtubers?
Probably even more lingo based
It's how real people talk.
I guess that's worth a shot.
It's not going to be easy to find something interesting, though. Most interesting topics get handled by people who have the voice synthetizers voice the whole thing.
Comedians are nice, but their main thing is spinning stuff into jokes, not holding any sort of meaningful conversations.
I've seen one or two travel VLOGs, but they're pretty rare and often made by people in their retirement age.
Any personal recommendations?
I don't watch that stuff so no. I only watch anime and listen to seiyuu radio.
Is the last kanji here 悍?
Looks a little off.
帰る
>帰る
Now that is a slap to my face, holy shit.
thx user
It's okay, I can see how the two short vertical strokes in the bottom right component could look like one long one and make you see the third stroke of 悍. From reading blurry, low-quality manga scans for so long, I usually recognize the characters by their general shape and composition now and don't really pay attention to the individual components. And besides that it's mostly just my brain filling in the gaps with "most-likely" candidates based on context clues. I ignore the kanji completely and just think about what sort of word I would normally expect to appear in that position in that situation: "Which る-type u-verb with the okurigana 'る' could she be asking someone to do together with her with that face in this sort of illustration with what looks like a coat over her shoulder?" It's easiest in cases like this, somewhat harder in cases with only text and no picture, much harder with isolated words, and hardest when it's just a single character with no other context at all.
But sorry for the autistic tl;dr text wall, I just want to try to help people learn to help themselves too.
Thanks for answers!
>"Hey, this is Goku!"
>in the midst of the fight with Frieza
>I couldn't remember what he was saying in this country at that time..
And my anti-virus software didn't let me see the German video, sorry..
How about 実況プレイ動画(let's play games videos)?, that's once an user here recommended me for English, however I haven't defered to his advice so obediently..
>How about 実況プレイ動画(let's play games videos)?
Kinda eeh, not very fond of the cocnept.
Still, I searched YT for some travel vlogs and got a bunch. Even if most of them are minute encounters from a graduation trip to Taiwan/China/Vietnam/... instead of a full VLOG.
Thanks for the advice, anyway.
Interesting approach, I usually don't try to fill the gaps like that, I kinda have that image of Japanese stuff being extremely random at times in my head, which I can't seem to get rid of.
Actually, one thing came to mind.
Speaking of YT videos. Are there any good series in the style of Fermi Lab? Ideally slightly more focused on something instead of talking about everything under the sun. From "How to become a normie," "How to groom yourself, " to the likes of explaining the Ship of Theseus or the physics of falling out of an airoplane without a parachute.
I mean I can see how you're having trouble. Still not sure what kind of language you are seeking really since maybe my picture of "young adult" is different from yours. Content produced by and for late teenagers / early twenties tend to be focused around this sort of stuff quite often.
I get my "genuine Japanese" content from three places more or less.
youtube.com
Is a channel I started watching and I enjoy it from time to time. It's a bit challenging for me to follow him from time to time but it's not like you can miss essential things.
Then when I'm outside I listen to two podcasts, which basically get recommended everywhere anyways.
hkbk.fm
Which has already ended, but there's so much content it's gonna take forever to sift through it anyways.
sokoani.com
Is the one where I mostly follow with the weekly updates. Only makes sense if you're remotely into this I guess.
>Fermi lab
Actually there’s a Japanese channel whose name is exactly the same other than in Japanese (or did you mean this in the first place?).
m.youtube.com
But that one above is not my favorite though.
I would rather take things like
“探偵ナイトスクープ (the detective’s night scoops”, a tv show in which comedians visit families of audiences and solve their personal, trivial matters ( not sure if it would suit your taste though).
m.youtube.com
Do you like horror games? If you like 牛沢 maybe you would like ガッチマン. They do collaborative stuff together a lot and have similarly easy-to-listen-to voices, in my opinion.
youtube.com
But if you don't like horror games he won't have very much to offer you.
No I can definitely get into that. I will check it out. Thank you.
Thanks for the suggestions. And yeah, it's kind of hard to pin down what a typical YA conversation looks like.
The guy playing the games has a funny accent. Is he from one of the Kansai regions (what with the clear Rs everywhere) or just trying to sound funnier/cooler?
Yeah, I was talking about the very same channel.
Thanks for the TV show rec, BTW. TV shows tend to be fun to watch, but hard to find unless you already know what you're looking for in the first place.
good morning everyone enjoy reading today
おはよ みんな,今日は 楽しむ読んでに
この島ではDC&DBのことを知ってる人は少ないですが
People don't really know the events of DC & DB with this island
仕事失っちゃった
首だ首だ首だ
解雇されたw
Did you start this week?
I started thursday and ended this thursday, minus last friday since it was free. The guy that hired me as his helper was alright and wanted to keep me for easier jobs but luckily we only got a bunch of hard jobs in a row, today's required all the bosses working and helping so they saw that I don't actually know shit about building or energetics and you need to know that to work with them so I got booted. Cool guys but you just need to know what to do at all times and do it by yourself without anyone's help most of the time so no time to teach me.
"企画は行政を中心とする地域のみなさまに大きな協力を得て進めています。"
>行政を中心とする
Does this mean the project is proceeding with the cooperation of everyone in the area, "especially the administration"?
Man I'm demotivated as fuck.
I spent 3 years learning Japanese, I can comfortably read manga and VNs (especially since you can effortlessly look up stuff), but it's nowhere near the level I hoped to be by now.
Started learning mainly to play Japanese video games and eroge, but even after these 3 years I can't enjoy them since I have to stop every few mins to look up a word.
I think I'll never be able to play games as fast and smooth as I play them in German or English, playing a 40h JRPG in Japanese and thus needing twice the time to finish it isn't really desirable.
Had the stupid idea that I would someday "be done with Japanese" like reaching a level where it isn't a chore, where it feels as natural as riding a bicycle just with the occasional street sign that you don't know but isn't a big deal anyway.
But I've seen people that passed N1, some learning for over 10 years now that still use their dictionaries on a daily basis.
It's like dekinai-chan was right all along, you may attempt learning Japanese, but you'll never truly know the language.
I guess a gaijin learning in his free time really can't make up for the school drills in Japan.
I think it's time for me to move on.
That's rough. I always feel I take on jobs where I don't even know what I'm doing but no one seems to notice.
>but even after these 3 years I can't enjoy them since I have to stop every few mins to look up a word.
I don't know but I feel that this wouldn't even bother me that much. Do you feel you're no longer improving either?
If all the untranslated stuff out there doesn't motivate you, then yeah just let go
It's not my position to tell you what to do in this situation, but I would encourage you to at least maintain as much of your current level as possible. Possibly by continuing reading whatever interests you, but without forcing it too much.
If you just drop it all you'll hate yourself in a few year. At least that much I can attest to.
Germany dropping the truth bombs.
It's not like you have to understand 100% of everything said to enjoy a story or a game. Just like in English, enjoyment comes first, learning second.
No one is going to pause Mass Effect in the middle of one of those epic scenes just because the guy said something weird they couldn't understand right away.
You might just be playing the wrong kind of games. I can assure no one here was trying to play Planescape Torment untranslated 3 years after starting to learn English.
Maybe there is a lack of immersion?
is there a pattern to using おvsご for 御 for pol/hum verbs and words.
I dont really have this problem after 6 months of study but Im doing 3-6 hours a day of immersion. when I dont have yomichan I try not to look up every word. maybe its because your concentration is split between three languages instead of 2. the amount of english content is pretty overwhelming too. make sure your not relying tomuch on yomichan instead of guessing readings and definitions before looking things up.
>Do you feel you're no longer improving either?
I'm still improving, just at a much slower pace.
It doesn't motivate me anymore, dunno but the Japan fascination in general wears off the more I learn.
>at least maintain as much of your current level as possible.
Will do that for now, the problem is that my free time is rather scarce and I get the feeling I should use it for something that proves more beneficial to me.
I feel like English is a completely different case, it's always easy to look up stuff and many words sound familiar without learning them, not to mention that the grammar is as simple as it could be.
I think if I used 3 years learning something like English or Spanish I would be fluently reading any game with ease.
Nice weeb cave.
>I think if I used 3 years learning something like English or Spanish I would be fluently reading any game with ease.
Americans, my dear friend, spend their entire school life, ~12 years learning Spanish. And the majority comes out not being able to say anything more than a few basic sentences.
You wouldn't be any more fluent in Spanish than you are in Japanese. The difference is that you couldn't care less about how gringo you sound to the Spanish or what kind of spefic color pattern señorita's new clothes are. You'd watch the telenovella and be happy about being able to enjoy it. Which is the main point of learning a language in the first place.
Look at this guy.
youtube.com
He even explicitly mentions that learning Chinese took him years and years of work. And why? Because translating Chinese was literally his job and he wasn't exactly thrilled by it.
That's Chinese, user. Chinese is right up there with English as the simplest language humanity has ever been able to come up with and still get the point across.
On the other hand, you can look up YT vids of a Japanese girl who moved to Vietnam and was fluent in the span of 2 years or so. Vietnamese being space-talk which makes Polish names sound like baby's first words.
All or nothing. Throw your current life away and leave to Japan
Then you will have to adapt
>とはいえ、彼らの気持ちなんて真の意味で理解できはしないのだ。エルフの国と人間の国とではなにもかもが違うし、イミナたちみたいな田舎の村の子供は、そもそも人間社会の王族が実際にどんな生活をしているかということすらも、よく知りはしない。
can someone explain the nuance of できはしない and 知りはしない
I don't quite understand what this form is try to convey
It's just a longer ない
シマチョウ
in hindsight, I don't know what else could have been the answer
thanks
シマパン
ウェザーストリップ
All these useful words.
考えるな感じろ
>喿
> chirping of birds
>three mouths in a tree
Cute!
いつかはこんな日がくるような気がしてた
I had a feeling like this day would come sometime
I recognize that character. It's read そう, isn't it?
Correct! Always appears as the 音符, and the 音読み is always ソウ:
躁譟髞繰藻燥噪
Except for 操, where it's ソウ but also サン
this is the first time that I've seen 喿 in my life.
I don't know how common 喿 is in other countries using 漢字 such as China, Taiwan and Hong Kong, but at least in Japan I think 喿 is not used at all or is very rare to be used.
conversely, 操 that looks similar to 喿 is by far common in Japan and there are a lot of words including 操 such as 操縦, 操作, 操る and so forth.
> lot of words including 操 such as 操縦, 操作, 操る and so forth.
Yes, those were the ones I learned today. Before that I have only ever seen 喿 in 繰.
Is there an easy way to remove all the katakana garbage from core6k or do I have to go through the whole thing and remove them one by one?
>easy
Not really, no. Other than browsing the cards for every card that contains a katakana and deleting them. Shouldn't take long though.
>Take something wonderful because it is animated in 2D.
>Turn it into a bog-standard MMD dance.
Found a way. Just gotta add the rest to the search string and it'll only return cards with katakana on the front.
did 誰か post ガヴ
おはよう
おやすみ
>vtubers being filthy talentless leeches
color me surprised.
they make their living off the lowest of the low. whatever, it's exactly what those useless stains deserve.
Are there any resources that break down more complex sentences?
What do you consider more complex?
Dolly has some stuff on parsing actual sentences from (easy) literature and I have seen nothing else beyond that.
巨乳の女の子お願い
爆乳
Chino-chan you are really cute. Whenever I see you Chino-chan, my heart starts beating furiously.
Since I've held it in all this time, won't you become mine just once? You constantly show off your plump thighs and I can't take it anymore...
That's why I want to have sex with Chino-chan! It's fine right?
Is there a word for gouge? As in "Gouge my own eyes/ears out? I need to figure out how to say the rest of this sentence.
聞き取りの練習したいが日本人のダウン症候群っぽい声を聞き次第, 自分の耳を (I want to gouge my own ears out)
抉る (えぐる)
Thanks. Is there a way to say "get urge to do verb"?
Wouldn't it just be ~たくなる?
Not sure. How's this?
聞き取りの練習したいが日本人のダウン症候群っぽい声を聞き次第, 鉛筆で自分の耳をえぐりたくなる
応募方法: 提出物を下記提出先まで郵送(当日消印有効) または、メールにて応募(締切当日送信分まで)
>締切当日送信分まで
この「分」は何の意味ですか?
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This thread is really dead. Did everyone give up?
you don't learn japanese in this thread
Both DJT threads need to die, Jow Forums doesn't hold zoomers interest at all. The catchpa is too hard for them. Entire site is dying
DJTが死んだら私も死にます
I know you're trying to cheer me up but its not going to work
バーガーは眠っていますそしてクラウとは仕事中です。私の旗を無視する。
直腸を精子で満たしてほしい
>yes: うん
>no: ううん
Are you fucking kidding me? Was this language created by retarded autists?
you're the autist
Plus all the people who want a serious Japanese learning community have already gone to discord
>uh huh
>uh uh
The real serious community is over at r/learnjapanese
>zoomers interest
Your last hope should be there, boomer.
youtu.be
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((Didn't you know there are no one left except me and you?))
