Socialism sounds nice in theory but it doesn't work in practice

finally one of these I actually agree with. people who say this are cringe and bluepilled. if you can't articulate why you're against socialism more concretely than "hurr but it won't work" then you shouldn't even say anything

Based soyboy. FUCK TANKIES

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>socialism sounds shitty in theory and it is way worse and put in practice. Kill them all.

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>universal basic income is neither a left wing or right wing policy, it's a forward policy

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Most of us are too tired of repeating the details for myopic retards like yourself so we just say that and hope you might think about it further on your own. The fact that you are so far detached from understanding basic human nature is the first sign of futility.

>human nature
OH NO NO NO NO

Define socialism

The real red pill is skipping socialism and going straight into communism

>Humans will work and achieve to their full potential when there is absolutely no reward or greater compensation in doing so

and we're done here

It is.It is a way to cut down on the bureaucracy in right wing implementations, and another form of welfare in left wing implementations

>>socialism sounds good in theory and it is way better and put in practice. Kill all porkies.

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Why do socialists still exist? I thought eastern europeans proved their ideology was shit

>being this arrogant
No wonder people don't like you.

Yes, but Scandis and Western Europeans don't practice socialism.

>then you shouldn't even say anything
I don't need to waste my time explaining my positions as they are based off of human history itself. Call me heartless all you want, at the end of the day I am always right.

> (You)
>>Humans will work and achieve to their full potential when there is absolutely no reward or greater compensation in doing so
So you're telling thag the workers in the factory or the farmers/toilers in the collective got absolutely nothing out of it? And we're done here

>Call me heartless all you want, at the end of the day I am always right.

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Most socialists define socialism is "public ownership of the means of production". Personally I think it makes more sense to define political ideologies in terms of their moral principles than about concrete policy proposals, so I define socialism as the belief that all members of society should have equal opportunities and that no one should be entitled to unearned wealth and privilege.

Cringe
If you refuse to debate, it's the same thing as conceding

Let's not forget that the supreme court ruled that hate speech doesn't violate the first amendment( as long as it isn't a call to action) because stupid ideas will, through debate and models/studies, be proven to be stupid.
>t.Was in debating club

Farmers/toilers are human cattle. A society thrives and survives off of its top 10% of professionals, entrepreneurs, businessman, and vanguards, the rest follow suit. When you discourage the achievement of that top, elite group, your society slowly dies. These are the people who create opportunities for the rest of the idiot masses.

Here's your (You) brainlet.
By that logic if you refuse to debate that the Earth is not flat to some retard than you admit that you cannot argue the Earth is round when everyone knows that it is.

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This isn't a debate. Some 16 year old faggot is going to try to tell me I'm wrong, ignoring all tangible human evidence to the contrary.

>Here's your (You) brainlet.

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Humans are too greedy, it gets in the way of communism. I suggest greed-free commie robots to rule us all.

>Automation won't raise unemployment because we'll all just learn to code epic style!

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Have you considered that your beliefs about human nature have been manipulated by propagandists who provide you with a one-sided account of history?

If you even respond to them, you are entering into a debate with them my dude.
Then just show those examples, respond to his rebuttals and you're done.

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Some people unironically think the Earth is flat because they're paranoid of authority and government. Why not enlightem them with honest debating and facts?

I have yet to see a poll taken of Eastern Europeans where the majority of the generation that lived under communism didn't say that they prefer their way of life under communism than capitalism.

Of course history is one-sided it's history. I don't care about right or wrong when I know that might makes right. All that matters is that you live to write your side of the story and leave your enemies in the dust, that is what right and wrong truly means because good and evil as humans describe them vary from person to person. Some people idolize Hitler, some Stalin, etc.

Nostalgia is a hell of a drug

>Farmers/toilers are human cattle. A society thrives and survives off of its top 10% of professionals, entrepreneurs, businessman, and vanguards, the rest follow suit.
You had these people in the Soviet union though. Espically the vanguards.
When you discourage the achievement of that top, elite group, your society slowly dies. These are the people who create opportunities for the rest of the idiot masses.
Ooo almost makes me wanna post the fedora meme. All of history is of us. The "human cattle" produce and made the empires, democracies and great nations. Without them all of those 10% would be nothing. The Soviet Union wanted to pretty much let them know this, knowing that the source of power comes from the worker. They did understand how massses can be stupid and educated them. Sorta like Socrates wanted to educate people before establishing a democracy.

Sounds like moral relativism desu. Not a fan.

Cuba, Venezuela, Eastern Europe, the USSR, North Korea, Indochina

all various flaming socioeconomic disasters

and no, Nordic model free market economies are not "socialist"

Pic related, you don't get into existential arguments with the local homeless drug addicts do you?
Then I guess almost everyone in the world has conceded that the Earth is flat, fuck me then.

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The Soviet Union slowly died without these people. How is this a fucking point? You goddamned idiot

If I could teleport you to 1970's USSR right now I would, in a heartbeat. Just send your dumb ass away to enjoy it

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>politics? nah not interested in that

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Doesn't matter what you or I think, the world keeps chugging on regardless. We're just walking over scattered bodies everyday, unthinking that one day not a single component of our being will even exist anymore, unless some life extending technology comes out soon enough to where you may live to see your mind get uploaded into a computer or something.

what part of that is the soy, the "socialism sounds nice" part or the "doesn't work in practice" bit?

> (You)
>The Soviet Union slowly died without these people. How is this a fucking point? You goddamned idiot
Yeah your gonna have to explore more on that bud
>If I could teleport you to 1970's USSR right now I would, in a heartbeat. Just send your dumb ass away to enjoy it
Nah niggs nostalgia ain't my thing. Still would be pretty cool.

>we NEED to raise the taxes for the 1%!!!

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That's the standard dismissal. Maybe you're right, or maybe there were aspects of life under communism that were better than under capitalism, and many people feel disillusioned when they realize that they lost those forever.

Whenever I throw a list of experiments that they( flat earthers) can do, they just keep silent.I consider that to be giving up.
Why respond to me, I'm not in this debate?Just discussing schematics.

So do you think that the moral outlook of society plays no role in deciding what the future will look like? Or do you just not care what the future holds?

Would be based. Though, America's golden years(50s) we actually taxed and it was beautiful.

I just understand that most people aren't that bright and I am not in a position where I will ever make any meaningful changes to society at large. So I focus on my hobbies and passions and my family. Most of things I am just jaded and detached from at this point. I'm not really misanthropic or anything I'm just tired of caring or pretending to care about things that will never effect me.

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They were ass-reamed economically by the USA. Even with their army of satellite states funneling resources back to them. They had to wait in bread lines while poor Americans got obese at will. They had to put up a fucking fence to keep people IN.

The rich effectively never paid taxes back then, the rates were largely symbolic. The IRS sucked and there were deductions/loopholes galore

It really is due to nostalgia and sense of national pride. Most of the people who long for the communist past were too young to remember the shitty parts of it

>According to an analysis in the German magazine Spiegel, what drives this rose-colored view - shared by many young people who barely remember life under communism - is a peculiar sense of pride and humiliation. Many eastern Germans see communist East Germany, for better or worse, as their home or their parents' home, and its history as their legacy. While critical of the communist state's suppression of freedom, they chafe at the idea that it was an illegitimate regime and that the West was their savior. It's the same syndrome that causes many Russians today to whitewash the Soviet past.

Just because a journalist got paid to write this in a magazine doesn't mean it's true, especially considering all of those statements are purely speculative. I don't know about Germany but in studies done in the USSR it was primarily the older generation that thought communism was better, and the younger generation that only knows capitalism hates communism.

>I have yet to see a poll taken of Eastern Europeans where the majority of the generation that lived under communism didn't say that they prefer their way of life under communism than capitalism.
That's a retarded argument. Especially because there were no such polls when communists were in power (and even if there were, the results would be about as believable as Bill Clinton's testimony)

Yeah that must be why they were clamoring to get out of it as soon as possible and shooting their communist leaders in the head. Sounds like some valid poll results.

So do you have a good reason to doubt the credibility of those polls or are you just mad because the result isn't the one you wanted?

As far as I know the only country where the communist leader got killed was Romania, and honestly I'm not surprised. The Romanians eagerly cooperated with the Nazis in attempting to conquer the Soviet Union and I have no doubt they perceived their Communist government as an occupation government.

>mfw chuds ITT

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How are you not aware that most Eastern Euro countries brought about the end of the USSR and the Iron Curtain themselves? Even today, their countries are wracked with post-commie bullshit. Molasses economies, high unemployment, and a fleeing population. Eastern Germany itself is permanently cucked compared to the rest of the country.

As somebody already said, it's nostalgia. To which you claimed those people are genuinely pining for things that were "better" during communism. Well, there would be an easy solution to prove that wrong. See a poll made during communism whether the people who lived the majority of their life in capitalism were hoping it would come back.. Except the commies didn't make any such polls.

>I care about politics and economic theory

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>high unemployment
AFAIK that's the case only in Ukraine. Most post-comms don't have problems with unemployment but with wages being pretty low.

In which ones? In almost every Eastern Bloc country the decision to do away with communism was made by the political elite. You could say it was in response to mass protests, but even that was only true of some Eastern Bloc countries, and it's debatable whether or not such protests were representative of the population as a whole.

>it's debatable
Nope
t. knower

The """""""politically elite"""""""" get their power from the people at large. There were plenty of mass protests and demonstrations. If they liked communism so much they could just as soon vote commies back in. And yet Eastern Europe is the most right-wing part of Europe, isn't it?

If communism was so bad why would they feel nostalgic about it? Nostalgia doesn't make you turn bad memories into good ones.

What do you know exactly? There's no poll that was done. Judging based on your limited anecdotal knowledge of historical events isn't exactly scientific.

Wait, so you're telling me the political elite in a communist country got their power from the people? If it was mass protests and demonstrations that brought down the Iron Curtain, why were there no such protests in the Soviet Union before it collapsed?

>Nostalgia doesn't make you turn bad memories into good ones.
Yes it does you underage retard. Its a well documented psych phenomenon
apa.org/news/press/releases/2003/06/happy-memory

>be with ex
>co-dependent, unemployed, depressed
>break up with her
>get good job, go back to school, doing way better
>still miss ex
Why the fuck does it happen?

According to your source,
>The first cause, according to their review of the research, seems to be due to the simple fact that pleasant events do in fact outnumber unpleasant events because people seek out positive experiences and avoid negative ones.
Nowhere does this one single study say that they found that nostalgia causes people to retroactively see as pleasant particular memories that were originally unpleasant.

>The other process at work involves our memory system treating pleasant emotions differently from unpleasant emotions. Seven studies reviewed by the researchers provide support for a fading affect for negative emotions. Pleasant emotions have been found to fade more slowly from our memory than unpleasant emotions.
why can't you read the whole thing before you starting blabbing on about how great life in a poverty ridden shithole really is.
Overwhelming amount of people fled commie shitholes to move to capitalist countries, not the other way around

Nostalgia makes you prefer the good memories over the bad ones. Sure, if you were imprisoned during commie times, you'll hardly feel nostalgic. But if your life during communism consisted of going to work (where you did fuck all because thanks to the bullshit planning, there was always an overabundance of manpower), fucking your gf because there was hardly anything else to do with your free time and drinking away your wage in the local watering hole, you probably won't focus on things like meat lines, mandatory military service, all the bullshit in schools and so on.

>no poll
You know there were elections after the fall of Iron Curtain? Around here, the commies weren't even banned. They got around 13% and since then, the maximum they managed to gain is about 20%.
Also, full squares of people protesting are poll enough

We had national communism
NazBol like kek

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You just ignored the first part where they said that the primary cause of nostalgia is that most people's memories of the past really are pleasant and chalk people's statements about their preference for communism entirely up to nostalgia rather than the fact they lived in a more harmonious society where people cared about each other, and not just money.

I know they held elections. I also know in many Eastern Bloc states, namely Poland, all of the Baltic States, Hungary, and Romania they banned the Communist Party. How's that for democracy?

>I refer to a working system as "capitalist" a made up buzzword by a senile old fuck

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>more harmonious society where people cared about each other, and not just money
Source: My ass. People were EXTREMELY materialistic in commie times. Having something from the West was a status symbol like no other. The only reason why they didn't care about money so much was because what you could buy depended on whom you knew, not how much money you had.

It was only fair considering the commies had oher parties banned for 40 years. It didn't help, the commies founded new parties anyway.

Alright you can say it was revenge for all those years when the Communist Party was the only one around but that doesn't change the fact that an election can't be legitimate if you have to ban parties to get the result you want.

Those elections were far more legitimate than the coups that put commies in power

>A society free of opression, poverty and inequality sounds bad

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Imagine that Islamic State is trying to participate in elections. It's reasonable to ban them.

We need to starve 600 billion goys again. Hard times create strong men
>#thereal4thTurning

>socialism sounds nice

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Socialism doesn't sound nice to anyone above the mental age of 15.

>Socialism doesn't sound nice to anyone above the mental age of 15.
I've listened to my fair share of capitalist fairy tales and imaginary stories about cavemen or marooned people going straight into private property and wage labor.