USA introduces "Cost Plus 50" formula...

USA introduces "Cost Plus 50" formula. It means that all countries where Americans have their bases will have to pay full price of American soldiers deployed, like salaries, maintance of hardware and so on + plus 50% of this cost which would be a revenue for the USA to waste its resources abroad. So if functioning of American bases in Germany cost 2 bln dollar annually, Germans will have to pay 3 bln dollar to USA now according to this formula or apply for free-of-charge Russian bases.

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Is Trump retarded?
Does he want to lose all of America's allies?

lol what a moron

This formula says that countries with pro-American policy can hope for discount

Based&Redpilled
>we are only allies if you give us free shit
Shit tier allies to be quite honest

In some cases, nations hosting American forces could be asked to pay five to six times as much as they do now under the “Cost Plus 50” formula if the USA recognizes that the hosting country is rich enough to pay

> or apply for free-of-charge Russian bases
yeah cause Russia's got plenty of money for that amirite

Russia uses its bases to steal from occupied countries, not to protect them, so it would be a huge revenue for Russia.

>free of charge russian bases
how about no

I don't see the problem, why does the US have to be world police?

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please cite an example for your assertion

Recent history

please cite an example for your assertion

It is a serious thread, stop playing dumb

so I take it as a refusal? pity

it would appear that the tip of my dick is likely to have ocmpareable overall recent history knowledge than your entire extended family

Is America that desperate for cash?

And they say an old dog can't be taught new tricks.

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USA has 22 trillion dollar debt which wont pay itself by miracle. Moreover American military is very underfunded, and imperially overstretched around the world, while Americans need a lot of resources to spend on new weapon to be ahead of Russia and China. They cant afford protecting the world for free anymore while their own country is falling apart. Tight budget issue.

LMAO

>American military
>Underfunded

Their military literally has more funding then then Russia's and China's combined lmao. The American military is crazy bloated

We spend the whopping sum of 3% of GDP on defense.

>Their military literally has more funding then then Russia's and China's combined lmao

Russian soldier is a slave working practically for free or close to it, while production of missile in China costs 5x less than in the USA. You need to take purchase power into account.

US has no allies. Just ungrateful leeches.

3% GDP of the biggest economy in the world. You can't seriously think that the United States military is underfunded

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Also there are only 2 relevant nations in the world that spend more % of the their GDP than you, Russia at 2% and Saudi Arabia at 10%.

Russia's economy is literally smaller than Canada's, a nation of 35 million, and Saudi Arabia is an American puppet state with a much, much, much smaller economy than America

Russia at 4.3% GDP my bad

US bases aren't a charity the strategic value they offer is virtually priceless. the money he's going to get back is a joke by comparison

US is literally in the process of buying about 2000 modern 5th generation aircraft while Russia and China can field maybe 500 decent 4th generation fighters alltogether, which is even now about 4 times smaller than US inventory

American military is overfunded as fund, it has perhaps and order of magnitde more equipment that it needs if it wanted effective defence and deterrence.

American military fails at what it does not because it's underfunded, but because it has no realistic objectives in wars it starts. The only reason US military et all creates wars is to buy more stuff for US military

Based, that's a great thing. The only reason why Euros have the "free" healthcare they brag about is because they have no military to spend significant money on because America is there do it for almost nothing

>Germans will have to pay 3 bln dollar to USA now according to this formula or apply for free-of-charge Russian bases.
There is a nice song, that shows quite well the solution to this conundrum.
youtube.com/watch?v=2flpdqGfAsw

Fuck America, I hope they pull out of Europe. They wont because European bases are too important to their ability to project force and keep up their imperialist policies. But I hope they do.

That's actually a pretty coherent application of his programme and abuse of the current geopolitcal situation, I'm surprised
it makes the choice of relying on US military presence much less easy, putting rearmement back on the menu for some countries
The choice to rely on US military aid will lead to increased advantages for the US in direct income
The choice to rearm concerns only countries within the US system of alliance which will buy american weapons (mostly) to arm themselves
For the US it's a win-win
For others it's a clear loss, which could benefit China in the worst case scenario but since no one can leave the US umbrella that doesn't matter

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> Germany now pays about 28 percent of the costs of U.S. forces based there, or $1 billion a year, according to David Ochmanek, a researcher at the Rand Corp.
Why does German pay 28 percent of a foreign army?

Because there is only one sovereign country in NATO.

America is too weak to be everywhere but it is strong enough to be nowhere. If the USA went full isolationist, it could just observe like wars destroy whole continents while being untouched itself, because nobody dares to attack the USA. Such wars would weaken its main opponents and they could enter the war in the very end of it if needed, again. Maintaining world peace is a huge cost. Few days ago Americans offered Germans to participate in joint military action in Black Sea to stop Russians from taking bigger control over the sea. Germans refused because according to them "it could provoke Russia". The same song for decades. USA is painfully rational: if Germany is not afraid of Russia taking over more and more land around it, then USA has no right to act against German will.

>Maintaining world peace is a huge cost.
Is this what invading 3rd world countries under the pretext of toppling their dictators, while supporting fundamentalists tyrannies is now called?

>Few days ago Americans offered Germans to participate in joint military action in Black Sea to stop Russians from taking bigger control over the sea
Last time I checked the map, Germany didn't border the Black Sea, so yeah, it's really perfidious on Krauts' part.

> Iraq war
> Libya
> world peace
yap not propaganda bullshit at all

Americans are Uber deluded and seem to think “allies” want their presence. They can fuck off but probably they will merely extort this money.

Wasted Clinton surplus and 20 trillion on Iraq, Afghanistan alone. Thank the Zionist neocon masters.

Does Trump actually work for Russia or something? It still feels surreal how he even managed to become the president.

drumpf better keep paying us for the privilege of using our island bases or else we're renting them to the Chinese
you don't want to give them a base in the Atlantic now do you Americans?

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>Join NATO
>Spend the next 50 years as America's slaves, doing nothing but furthering America's interests with your own blood and money
>America still calls you ungrateful

There's no way China will be worse than this.

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China is not really interested or even able to develop military presence in Europe. They would use Russia for it as their henchmen.

I like how retards think these are supposed to be free, like a gift. As if they can complain about muh evil US while being kept safe comfortable the same "evil" US troops.
Sometimes I think Western Euros deserved to have been occupied by the Soviets.

They indirectly helped him win the presidency because when Clinton was Secretary of State she was really hard on Russia and because they knew Trump would be the opposite of that because he was riding the anti-establishment wave.

I like this, because it will increase the possibility of an EU army existing, which will be good for us.

China and Russia are not friends.

neither is US and Poland
difference is, we know it

>it will increase the possibility of an EU army existing

Will this army have 700 bln dollar budget, 10k nukes launched from land, sea, air and space, strategic bombers, USA-tier system of military satellites and at least 1-2 mln soldiers? It would be required to treat EU as a subject of international relations, not object.

>German GDP 3677 trillion USD.
Not my fucking problem.

wait so if we dont pay they will gtfo?

>China and Russia are not friends.

China and Russia can't be friends because Russia is a dwarf in comparison with China and could be easily neocolonized and dominated by it just by natural laws of military strenght and economical power. But China and Russia have on common goal: removal of the USA from Eurasia. If it happened, China could improve its position in Asia, while Russia - in Europe. Both countries would become stronger at expense of Asia/Europe. So they cooperate with each other in this matter.

The US isn't going to give up its strategic military bases so the entire thing is pointless.

yeah I think so too but with Trump you never know

If Germany or Japan were nuked today, USA would easily survive it as it has massive trade deficit with both these countries. It could even revive its domestic industry.

Its not like half of the world is full of american bases where the americans promised to leave but never did

America doesn’t need its “””allies””” anymore

sure, just like the "wall" was being paid by the mexicans...

This EU army would be enough to assure that any possible attack from an enemy country won't happen, nobody would want to attack an united EU army, I don't think we need all that you said, we just need an army that assure peace.

Russia and China have common enemies but just that, when they stop with the common enemies they will try to attack each other.
Russia is also a weapon supplier to India which is an enemy of China.

>This EU army would be enough to assure

If it existed, in first place.

It’s fun to talk about an EU army until the bills come due and citizens lose benifits in order to pay for it
European socialism is built upon American muscle

t. Going to get eaten alive by the Chinese

>occupy allies for decades
>only send in your dumbest and least educated reservists
>have the audacity to bill your allies for your shoddy soldiers
>if said allies kick out your military they'll just be sent home or into the next war for Israel

>Russia and China have common enemies but just that, when they stop with the common enemies they will try to attack each other.

Sure. The same with Third Reich and Soviet Union: their common goal was removal of British influence from Europe by attacking Poland and France, and they supported each other in this task, but finally when Eurasia became free of British influence, they had to jump to each others throats. But i doubt Europe wants to be destroyed and dominated by Russia only to hope for the Chinese to "liberate" them afterwards, which might never happen, considering rather passive nature of the Chinese.

>If it existed, in first place.
Are you stupid? Of course we are talking about a what if, it existed we wouldn't need to talk about it.
EU politicians are already pushing for a EU army with USA military presence, without it, it would happen very fast, probably pushed by Polish and Baltic politicians.

That has nothing to do with what I said.
Japan and Germany are useful for their location.

This is a meme and just how American justifies its backwardness and spending trillions for ((defence contractors)) and upholding Zionism. If America left Europe tomorrow, it would still have free healthcare.

The empire of subhumanity of USA has caused only bloodshed in the past half century.

Meanwhile poor (literally) morons like you, assuming you're a real Polish person, defend it.

And who is against an EU army? Right nationalists paid by Russia

>EU politicians are already pushing for a EU army with USA military presence, without it, it would happen very fast, probably pushed by Polish and Baltic politicians.

Poland is against idea of EU army because we know that it is just day-dreaming. Putin is the one who supports it wholeheartidly:

youtube.com/watch?v=ybB9Rr-R9uE

of course it's a meme just like trump wanted to sell american weapons to an hypothetical EU army and the EU countries all told him to fuck off.

People are just against the EU in all cases, even when they directly benefit them. This state of mind will be classified as a mental illness soon enough.

>If Germany or Japan were nuked today, USA would easily survive it as it has massive trade deficit with both these countries
That's missing the broader picture.
Germany and Japan both are major producers in industrial goods used in many if not all american consumer goods

you really believe they do this for peace, out of the goodness of their heart? they do this because it profits them
they threw a tantrum when france refused to have american bases on its soil

Russia is not rich enough to maintain a military capable of occupying the country the size of Georgia these days and even a collosus like US can only securely hold some part of a country like Iraq or Afghanistan. This is not 20th century, risks and concerns for an occupying force would be very different, as well as capability requirements

There is no danger of Russian invasion and occupation whatsoever for any European country.

you can't do this in a world where total war and nukes exist, that is why we can't leave euros alone in fear that they will start another war.

>And who is against an EU army? Right nationalists paid by Russia

How can one be against something that doesn't exist?

>Is Trump retarded?
Many such cases.

>youtube.com/watch?v=2flpdqGfAsw

I doubt Russia wants your country either, Somalia.

>you can get rid off American invaders by not paying their government
Is it really this easy?

This.
The great Finnish empire has caused more suffering than any other in history.

I think having an army is just asking for trouble. We have nukes to deter any would-be invader, plus many powerful separate armies, so a united army's only use would be pre-emptive actions and interventions which is ultimately not in the individual citizen's favor. Unless you really want to go die in Afghanistan.

>speeches

Hearing politicians speak is a waste of time and potentially dangeorus.

>about geopolitics
Your people seem to be baseline retarded when it comes to anything though, not just geopolitics.

Our imperialist policies kept you from becoming an Oblast

This isn't true, talk to an American about his profession and he can tell you anything. A lot of shit is trivial with no real use besides looking smart online

Anti-american sentiment is growing by the day, don't listen to him, he does not reprresent anyone but PIS(S)

>We have nukes to deter

What nukes? Why do you think that France will use one of its very few nukes against Russia to protect, let's say, fucking Sweden? They will just tell you that it was your job to have good relations with Russia if you get attacked, send some diplomatic protests and come back to their normal relations with Russia afterwards. Meanwhile the USA has a real will and ability to arm European armies to teeth and assist them in real scenario of war against Russia with its navy, tactical nukes, satellites and airforce. But USA won't be doing this all alone, of course, because it is not a fucking charity organisation and it doesn't swim in money anymore like it used to be yet 15 years ago.

Real funny, but one day you will suffer for the crimes of your ancestors. We’re just waiting for you to die out now.

>Anti-american sentiment is growing by the day

What good does this "anti-american sentiment" do to Europe? Does it increase European armies? Or maybe makes Europe richer?

Lmfao, go suck trump off some more, a true pole wouldn't be for the occupation of his country