What do Indonesians think about Sukarno?

He wasn't communist, but he was definitely left wing, and leans further that way as time went on.
>genocide
He didn't do that. The genocider was the right wing guy after him
I guess you could say that. But he was staunchly anti-imperialism and anti-western, while from my understanding ataturk was a proponent of westernization.

>discount version of ataturk
He's right
Soeharto did all the genocides

>So he was like discount version of Ataturk, wasn't it?
not even close, his first vice president has the potential to be one.
he's your average commie dictator

Based and REDpilled

Well if it was real, the only people dying were commies, so it it was an insecticide

The Chinese riots? Maybe
But the genocides in East Timor and Aceh were genocides afaik

commies and islamists, pretty based if not for his incredible corruption and big brother tier censorship.
looking back on old movies and imagine what a good time it was when there is no one wearing in hijab in sight

>dictator
Keep in mind that he became a dictator only after the utter incompetence that was the liberal democracy era.

>liberal democracy era
Please explain Indobro

No, that was the guy with almost the exact same name

> big brother tier censorship.
You realize Big Brother was called the English SOCIALIST party right?

You know you speak with dumb indon if he hail Sukarno as good president and/or decent person.
Hatta is the perfection this cunt has wasted in the past.

his economic and social policy is liberal, his political policy is authoritarian.
you can legally open a casino, bar or even whorehouse, but protests and criticism are strictly forbidden, even very often met with fatal consequences.

>Hatta is the perfection this cunt has wasted in the past.
b&r, this guy know what he is talking about

What is the average Indon's perception of Sukarno as a whole? Is it something like in Philippines where they invoke Marcos's name 24/7?

average indon is what he refered to as dumb indon, especially in this sharia and half-assed opinion time.

I have an Indofriend who might be serving the army and he did mention that it was Sukarno's fault that there is many zeroes on the rupiah

I would, but how come you don't know? You didn't pay attention at school?
Sukarno is definitely not a good president, but he was still very important to the revolution. I'd say he's still a respectable man in indonesian history, even if only for his role in the independence movement.
The indonesian counterpart to Marcos is Suharto. The average indonesian view Sukarno as a founding father figure to the nation.

suharto, based chinese deterrent

also fuck amerimutts

>chinese deterrent
lmao suharto supported chinese businesses. He was probably one of the reason why chinese businessmen are as successful as they are today in indonesia.

>I would, but how come you don't know? You didn't pay attention at school?
I did but they touched it so little that at best you'd knew about the Bandung Conference and the Indonesian Revolution
All I can tell is that Sukarno was slowly edging towards the Communists which were the grounds Suharto used to launch his coup

I see I see

it was mainly suharto's corruption, but he isn't completely clean either since he laid the foundation that caused massive chain effect which resulted in pathological gib mentality all across the nation.
it maybe good for a nation that just got its independence but it has become so deeply ingrained that its very difficult to expect a change.
should've executed it differently, his constant propaganda ruined the nation

didnt he mass kill chinese?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_mass_killings_of_1965

>he laid the foundation that caused massive chain effect which resulted in pathological gib mentality all across the nation.
As in vote buying and crony capitalism?Did he really go through such means that it became deeply entrenched in Indonesia?

>chinese deterrent
you really think this man is pure indonesian himself?
he's a javanese nobleman, most javanese sultanate noblemen have chink heritage.
it is not an accident why 98 massacre, triggered by wealth disparity between chinese an locals marked his demise

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Oh shit sorry I thought you're an indon flag lol
Okay I'll explain
So basically from 1950-1959 indonesia was a parliamentary liberal democracy. During this time period the parliament changed numerous times because the cabinet would get vetoed out very often. During this period indonesia was basically the embodiment of every criticism to democracy. Sukarno finally ended this with a presidential decree in 1959.
To other Indonesians correct me if i'm wrong because my memory is getting kinda rusty.
He mass killed dissidents. Most communist party members were javanese, not chinese.

Also to add, during this time period there was also a constitutional committee tasked with drafting a new constitution. In 9 years they accomplished absolutely zero.

>javanese nobleman
lmao no suharto was some poor villager before he joined KNIL.

it was mainly targeting communists
overseas chinamen =/= mainland chinamen.
its the result of propaganda based on sukarno's leaning toward china's communist government.
not to mention poorfag chinamen are also tend to be commie.

Your country belongs to me.

No, he was a stinkin' communist so he MUST have committed genocides.
Just nobody discovered them yet.

Doubt so
At worst he bombed Macdonald House here and tried to confront Malaysia by trying to invade it

He probably would've committed some genocides if he stayed in power for a few more years.

>His mother, Sukirah, a local woman, was distantly related to Hamengkubuwana V by his first concubine.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suharto
but yeah, still doesn't exactly make him a noble.

there's genocide happened under his regime, not sure if he was involved or not.
but its pretty based because it wiped out mixed race mongrels. better fuck em up before these mongrels causing mongrel problem
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bersiap

he barely had much power at that point. It was just revolutionaries drunk on revolutionary fervour.
But it is interesting that bersiap wasn't really discussed that much in school.

>Before each execution Sutomo mockingly asked the crowd what should be done with this "Musuh (enemy) of the people". The crowd yelled "Bunuh!" (kill!) after which the executioner named Rustam decapitated the victim with one stroke of his sword. The victim was then left to the bloodthirst of boys 10, 11 and 12 years old. ...[who] further mutilated the body." "Women were tied to the tree in the back yard and pierced through the genitals with "bambu runcing" (bamboo spears) until they died.
peak redpilled, racemixing is abominable

HES A MUZZLE DICTATOR JUST LIKE YOUR PRESIDENT

Hatta was a good thinker, but he wasn't a good leader. Sukarno was a charismatic leader that we certainly needed in a time of revolution.

he was not based and totally not redpilled

t. dutch

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>t. mongrel runaway
you're living a borrowed time in a foreign land.

Nah im just messing with you, I am fully dutch, how are you guys doing nowadays

islam, you can imagine the rest by your induction skills

Assalamu 'alaikum, brother. Did you fast today?

Basically less autistic Atatürk when it comes to religion, and also less competent but very ambitious

MY EMPIRE OF DIRT

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