>In audio obtained by CBS News, members of AA’s pilots’ union quizzed Boeing officials about the system – knowns as MCAS – in a tense meeting in November last year, weeks after a Lion Air Max crashed in Indonesia and four months before the loss of an Ethiopian Airlines Max. In total, 346 people died in the two crashes.
>“We flat-out deserve to know what is on our airplanes,” one pilot is heard saying in the recording.
>“These guys didn’t even know the damn system was on the airplane – nor did anybody else,” another said. “We’re the last line of defence to being in that smoking hole, and we need the knowledge.”
>The official, Boeing vice-president Mike Sinnett, claimed the Lion Air disaster was a once-in-a-lifetime accident.
>He said: “I don’t know that understanding this system would’ve changed the outcome on this. In a million miles, you’re going to maybe fly this airplane, maybe once you’re going to see this, ever. There's not going to be another incident like this and we're not going to overload crews with unnecessary information just to prepare them for something I can guarantee will probably never happen again."
>Four months later, another Boeing MAX jet went down.
Pilots, especailly American pilots, freak out about shit like this all the time. The job really attracts this type of sky-is-falling safety nutball. Its good to an extent and does keep things honest, but you have to understand these hysterics are almost a daily occurrence in aviation and just because they cried wolf and got it right this one time does not mean much. If the manufacturers and regulators listened to pilots everything would be grounded always.
>t. pilot
Ethan King
Also the Ethiopian and Malaysian pilots were fucking braindead retards with no idea how to fly the plane in the first place
No air speed control, just full throttle into the ground
Henry Torres
This. Just fly the plane manually, you have to go though so much flight school to fly commercially, just fly the plane.
Chase Brown
Muh short-term profits, muh stock price
Oh well there's always the golden parachute
James Davis
>t. Boeing exec
The fact that you think there were Malaysian pilots involved and that they were "full throttling into the ground" just shows why you stop posting.
Boeing already confirmed they left out an alert system that would've let the pilots know that the plane's sensors were receiving faulty data.
Nolan Bennett
>just fly the plane.
That's literally what they were doing, it was the automated systems that were taking over and forcing the planes down. Why do you comment on things you obviously know nothing about? Why are Americans like this?
Isaac Russell
they turned off MCAS then inexplicably flicked it back on. The FO had 200 hours total. They couldn't control their aircraft and it got themselves and everyone on board killed.
If you want to see a plane with a death wish look up UA232. That's what it looks like when an experienced and skilled flight crew fights valiantly against a truly doomed aircraft.
Eli Cook
>b*eing apologists on Jow Forums
Xavier Ramirez
>The system is designed to nudge the nose of the plane down to prevent it from stalling when necessary. It does this automatically, based on the aircraft’s angle of attack (AOA) data, or the angle of the aircraft’s wing relative to the flight path. However, in the event of a faulty AOA reading, the system will nudge the plane downward unnecessarily, and could eventually cause it to crash.
>But according to reports, the Lion Air plane did not have an optional feature installed in the aircraft—one that Boeing doesn’t provide as a standard feature and costs additional money to install—which would have alerted crew that the AOA readings were erroneous and likely to trigger the MCAS system unnecessarily.
The Lion Air one is just as bad though, as the AOA sensors had failed the day before, but the flight crew just turned off MCAS and handled it with ease. Engineering was either notified and didn't bother or wasn't notified at all, which is human error and negligence. But that doesn't sell as well.
Jose Rogers
I like how you keep dancing around the issue of the optional alert light w/ associated training like it's not at all the fault of the airline, basically straight out of Boeing's press handbook.
Seriously, how much are they paying you?
Jordan Morgan
Boeing did nothing wrong.
Ayden Flores
There's nothing "inexplicable" about it, shill.
Lion Air was never made aware of MCAS. Ethiopian Airlines was prescribed a procedure that disabled the electronics controls. There was too much force on the tail for them to actually control it via cables.
If I remember Boeing didn't say to anyone that CoG was a bit off due to new engines and they had to tweak MCAS so craft would balance itself t. airport dwarf
Yeah, Airbus and COMAC thanks Boeing for more A320, and C919 sales. Boeing ruining its reputation is the best thing that has happened to the aircraft manufacturing industry
Grayson Lewis
I would freak out if my autopilot locks me out and takes over flying the plane because it's having a bad day
Grayson Jackson
It's documented that the pilots weren't aware of the mcas, though. Otherwise, they'd be able to turn it off when the plane went into rollercoaster mode every 10 seconds. Besides that, the mcas was crucial for the plane. Boeing rushed the plane, hence why it was just a modified 737. The new engines didn't fit so they had to alter the position of them which lead to the plane wanting to tilt up at all times. Without mcas the plane would handle way differently and require pilots to go trough a long course which they didn't want them to do. Instead they added software and a one hour course on the app store which did not include any information about mcas. Boeing essentially cheeped out because they went full pink wojack when AA ordered airbus new neo-plane which did in fact handle like the older versions of itself.
Nolan Parker
>The planemaker said it had intended to provide the feature as standard, but did not realise until deliveries had begun that it was only available if airlines purchased an optional indicator
What the fuck Isn't this supposed to be standard
Ethan Thomas
Yes, that is exactly what it says.
Logan Powell
If only those dumb third worlders just jumped 1 second before the crash none of this damage to Boeing's reputation would've happened
