Non Finno-Ugric

map is bs, N haplogroup makes around half of a percent in former yugo, even in hungary, only hungarians in romania have around 4 percent N hoplogroup

Sounds like cope. Balts got their N1c from Finnic metallurgs.

>tying genetic alleles to specific ethnogroups

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Actually that genetical map must be quite accurate according to this language map.

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That's literally what Bosnishits do
>we wuz paleoeuropeans because our ancestors went through an extreme genetic bottleneck which increased the frequency of I2 to 70% even though we still have a fuckton of Balkan farmer admixture from raped women

>Tver
>Karelian

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Life is life

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>Finnic
You mean Volga Finns.

Fuck you, Yakuts are mongols

Karelians never were locals. It was Slavic for hundreds of years. They are literal refugees.
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I really wonder from which year those samples are taken.
Go check the dead if you want real answers stupid slav

Questionable statement. The most extreme one doesn't overlap with anyone, but is equally far from some Finns like myself as he is from Mordovians.
You know I don't care about genetic purity anyway.
Fascinating picture isn't it? Our Finnic ancestors would have clustered somewhere around the 0.05 on the right. I'm fine with that.

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>Tver is closer to East German than to Karelian
Fascinating.

>paying atention to bosniak "intelectuals"

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Well the entire Tver cluster extends all the way to overlapping with Ingria so it would be more accurate to say some people in Tver are intermediate between Estonians and Kursk Russians

I cant but wonder how you did find this thread interesting to post

>lets paint the uninhabited places too
why do they do this?

are we Northern?

Actually Finnic peoples lives there

it's factually incorrect, also i like arguing with autist and mocking retard, because i'm on the higher ground

Yes, just accept your Finnic ancestors

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what should we do with the indo-cuckropean half?

Well you seem to miss arguments and facts brother, try harded

Even if you ignore the genetic evidence, the archaeological evidence backs it up too since a certain type axe that won't be named is found in large quantites in Lithuania and can be linked to the Volga region and therefore Volga Finns, while Lithuania isn't considered to be part of the Tarand grave area which is associated with Finnics. So I'm sorry but you can't say that Finnics raped or conquered Lithuanians, if anyone did that it was Volga Finns. But even then it's unlikely that Uralshits ever managed to cuck Lithuanians, what's more likely is that N got lucky like it did in parts of Finland and managed to expand due to chance, and it probably had something to do with climate change in the Baltic region that was taking place at the time

there are settlements, but if the map was correct they would be represented with dots, i mean there is only one nenets fishing town on Novaya Zemlya with 3k residents

You mean russians?
You already know the answer

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where was i wrong?

I'm not talking about baltshits, you swedish rape baby. But about Siberians.

Did you even read the paper? The Tarands had the same N1c subclade as Lithuanians and quite a few Finns
I'm proud of my Tarand heritage :) we improved Latvian and Lithuanian gene pool

There are Tver Karelians, yes. Not many though. Putin is most probably one.

You are fighting on emotional level and most likely doesnt even understand the big picture, im sorry but are fucking idiot

Trips don't lie
We shall use their remains as fertilizers for this grand and holy tree

I'd rather be a Swede raped by Finnic metallurgs than a Ukrainian

Baltic Finns had nothing to do with Lithuania, maybe there was a degree of migration but they had nothing to do with the supposed "metallurgs" who would have been Volga Finns if they did in fact exist.

i am nordic Sven

Cope harder and keep denying the evidence

No. Some Tarands were L550, Lithuanians and vast majority of Lithuanians Lithuanians are L1025 and so are majority of Latvians with some exceptions, moreover Lithuanians can be modeled without EST_IA input, while Latvians can be modeled with like 10-15% EST_IA which is consistent with Livonian population estimates of territory of Latvia before Crusades.

>Lithuanians Lithuanians
Lithuanians, Latvians*

Tver Karelians may have migrated from their homeland, the Karelian Isthmus, to the Tver region by a process of resettlement. The beginning of migration followed the Treaty of Stolbovo in 1617, at the conclusion of the Ingrian war where Russia was defeated by Sweden. Peak migration, in the tens of thousands (25,000 to 30,000), occurred between the 1640s and 1660s. Under Swedish rule, residents of Ingria and Korelsky were forced to convert from the Orthodox religion to Protestantism. This together with famine and disease led to an exodus.

The evidence is on my side, I think you're upset that the real bvlls are Volga Finns while Baltic Finns were just autismos who expanded during a period of worsening temperatures and got lucky.

L550 and L1025 are very close and originate in the same migratory pulse to the Baltic

Fuck off tranny you've been defeated once again

Close but not the same, some other factors played a role since Lithuanians don't show any EST_IA admixture, and not exactly the same clade. That's like saying Scandinavinas are close to Balto-Slavs because of their R1a-Z284 which is closely related to "Balto-Slavic" clades of R1a in Europe. But other factors played a role there. Moreover there's no evidence of Finnics bringing metallurgy or whatever you're we wuzing here about, if we're being honest, Kivutkalns was one of the largest metal working sites in Baltic area and all of them were R1a with no "Siberian" admixture.

The Iron Age sample from Lithuania would show some EST_IA mix even if modern Lithuanians don't

Extrlemy based and Balto-Finnic

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Lmao@ Baltic Finnshits who have to use climate catastrophes to expand anywhere. No wonder their lands have been falling to Germanics, Balts, and even Slavs for centuries, lol.

Tranny tears

>R1a-Z284
this is me
t. norwegian paternal line

This shit with Lithuanians being more Finnic than Estonians overall makes me doupt reality.

Must be those filthy soviets trying to turn Eesti into another Kalingrad.
On February 24, 2019 i will travel into Estonia just to beat some Russian niggers on a land they doesnt belong.

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You have no idea what you're talking about

What's with those parts of the sea mapped out in white? Are Finns banging fish now or something?

How so? I misstyped a year but what else you got against me?

>This shit with Lithuanians being more Finnic than Estonians overall makes me doupt reality
It's real, but people misinterpret it as some kind of sick "cucking" scenario where Lithuanians were cucked by Baltic Finns. In reality, the climate in the Baltic region worsened significantly around the time when N-carrying Finnics were moving around the Eastern Baltic region, which led to falling population numbers and population bottlenecks, which led to N getting lucky and becoming very common in certain places like eastern Finland and Lithuania

More N1c doesn't mean more Finnic. Lithuania was ruled by N1c kings for thousands of years who had massive harems which lead to N1c becoming the dominant haplogroup. They simply had more sex than the R1a peasant.

Obvious bait, but you still need to get help

Haplogroups don't correlate with ancestry 1 to 1 ratio, Basques are one of the most heavy people in R1b-M269 associated with Indo-Europeans while they have one of the lowest amount of Steppe admixture. There are million dozens of factors which can play a role in this.

Well basicly that what you are sayig is that Finnic chad breeded pretty much, what else?
Your argument does seem to be short and quite sad attempt to rewrite history with a just one fucker
Next explain rest of balts

B-But the nobles were polonized and therefore R1a was the ruling class, while the poor N1c were whipped for not producing enough crops for their polish overlord

Marrying Polish women wouldn't change the paternal line

Gediminds and Jagiellons were N1c, but Radvila clan which realistically was the most powerful noble family at the time and had more power than the Kings were R1a. But whatever this one Finn rather than making addressing points normally has some sort of rape fetish agenda.

my emotional joy comes from your factual incorrectness

So these same factors on this close same area doesnt make any sense to you?
Obv im not mixing you with current Finns but more like southern balto-finncis with heavy russian influence. What are you even thinking about?

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I do it to trigger people like the Aussie tranny but I still think there's some merit to the idea I've presented
Lithuanian N1c carriers wold have been genetically homogenic with the mainstream population anyway after a few generations

My laughs come from your sub-saharan tier explaining and world understanding.

>So these same factors on this close same area doesnt make any sense to you?

No it doesn't because you're not versed in archeology, linguistics or anything at all pretty much. There's no linguistic evidence or presence of Finnic toponyms in Lithuanian territory, neither there's any evidence of any Finnic archaeological cultures in Lithuania. While in part it some of these things can be attributed to Latvia since archaeological Finnic cultures existed on Latvian territory as there are toponyms, and historical evidence like presence of Livonians and even the few loanwords in Latvian from Finnic languages, but none of this can be said about Lithuania so what I'm trying to tell you, situation it's much more complex and isn't as simple as you make it out to be? Also what heavy Russian influence are you talking about? Lithuania was least affected by Russian colonization out of all Baltic states.

>Linguistic argument

For example see Usa, Russia and Baltics

i am using sub-saharan level of expression so swamp ogres can understand me

good thread

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No one lives in the blue areas.

did you disregard the archaeological evidence?

About what, you were never nothing but free bumbs for this thread.

your future wife does
get it? she doesn't exist
you will die an incel

Really makes everybody think

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it would have been funny if i was 10 years old like you
no problem, here have another bump

you do understand that those maps are incorrect and take freedom in marking uninhabited areas as part of the archaeological culture even accounting migratory areas abandoned by previous generations

Its quite interesting how some Bosnian or Herzegovinan guy got such a passion about the discuss.
But Why? You got Finnic DNA on your or whats up

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And what scientical proofs you got besides that old same cry about everything done wrong

So being a northerner equals being a cuckold now, huh

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Imagine being russian copeing this hard after hosting football world champpion 2018

ruled by Sweden for 800 years abandonment of the languages by the locals will cease to exist in 50 years

>name of his country comes from a foreign tribe

I worked as an 'adviser' in prison, brainwashing nationalist and romanticist like you whose national identity is a joke and who need some archaeological savages to give them a right for some state expansionism
settlements back then had fewer residents and zone of control and to encompass a 10 km radius around them is plain incorrect, proper way would be putting dots and connecting them with lines or vacuoles

Our name comes from the Greek translation of the word 'Rus'
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neva_Yacht_Club

>this is his argument

I'm sorry you're too irrelevant for me to make one for you

Finns simply are not balkans. If you
truly that simple i cant but kek.

Also what proofs you got on your later shitposted sentence.

It's not that I'm irrelevant, it's that you are not intelligent enough to even form a proper sentence, yet alone an insult or a proper argument.
Do you even read proper archaeological data, or do you find these maps on eupedia and slap a thickkk this is finland watermark on them and give them to us as some proof?

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You are from balkan and trying to skip all other arguments about made of you and what you made that got fixed by peoples knowing it better.
Dont act like a nigger, your not that southroid

I will give you a give you a chance to formulate your post again only this time using proper English grammar as I cannot understand what a retard like is telling me. Also is your improper grammar a result of seething?