Why do Americans hate mass rapid transit networks?

It's not all bad. I do like the car to get to the desert, beach, or mountains when it snows. All usually under an hour and a half.

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Because something is going to happen to LA.

Its hilarious that a few roads were fixed in some poor areas when prop 6 was up. Now there's zero road fixed, despite massive potholes popping up since the weather. This state loves keeping promises up until the polls close. And the dipshits in this state eat it up like fucking sheep.

Apparently it is extremely expensive and the EPA.

I blame the transplants that come in and think they're doing the city a favor by voting on these polls.

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This was posted on /n/ a little while back I think youtu.be/Qaf6baEu0_w

We all havd cars or some form of transportation. Besides, using publuc transportation is seen as low class.

most of planned mass transit options in this country are stupid
we're too B-I-G
intra-city public transport needs to be expanded but beyond that it is a waste of resources except certain densely populated coastal areas

>there are actually mental defects that whine about potholes on the internet
kill yourselves, all of you

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>be Amerimutt
>no bullet train
>but get a bullet

Imagine still living in that pozzed commie shithole state

Trains don't run on oil.

We don't need high speed rail. We should be improving municipal public transportation systems.

>pulation forever increasing with barely any public t
any fucking federal infrastructure repair is welcome

yes they do. freight trains here are all diesel

I'm pro transit but CAHSR has been one of the worst managed projects in the country this century and it's good it got nipped in the bud now so that anti-HSR people can't eternally point to CAHSR whenever people want to build high-speed rail elsewhere. The original cost was $33 billion, and the last estimate had it at $98 BILLION. The feds committed the money with the intention that the whole thing would be built. The governor of California scrapped the project because everyone hates it now despite voting for it 10 years ago. The feds are basically saying "If you're cancelling the project, give us our money back". The governor is damage controlling and saying he's still going to build the first phase now so it's not cancelled and they can keep the money, but the first phase just connects two no-name cities in the desert so the feds are saying they won't let the money be used on the project anymore since the cost:benefit ratio is all sorts of fucked now.

Retard

It’s obviously not all terrible and in general we love living here, but we really need to get some public transportation infrastructure going. Too many people and not enough being done to combat climate change.

You're incoherent.

>$98 BILLION

Insane, imagine if all that money was invested into the LA and SF metro systems instead.

fat and dumb

I fucking love high speed rails

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high speed rails are a scam that turns out to be an economic drain used as an excuse to raise taxes even more

Is it because of corruption?

They are a scam when you start connecting every village to it but the USA has the population to carry a few HS lines.
Not every country is Spain

That's because your network was badly planned, You're seen here as an example of what you don't have to do. For example, replacing all of those conventional trains for high speed EMU's

>LA and SF
Every penny would be embezzled or redistributed to other bullshit and you know it.

Fuck California. They don't need HSR, it wouldn't be fucking used. What they need is massive 100 story tall apt complexes, and multi level trams and low speed passenger rail and a buttload of buses.

SoCal needs low speed passenger rail within cities and extending out to suburbs and buses and the ram down decent planning in those suburbs.

Why is the western world so pathetic at building infrastructure?
20km of railroad are a multi billion project nowadays and take a lifetime to complete and this is pretty universal across all countries.
Also they always opt for modernizing some old junk from the 50s instead and present it as some great solution

They are cucked by the capitalism forcing them to all buy cars instead. They call it "freedom".

Philadelphia could use that cash so so much. SEPTA is becoming more and more expensive to maintain because it doesn’t have the immediate cash required to modernized half its shit, so they have to use older shit which consumes gas like a mother fucker and trains which are basically collapsing on themselves adding up to an even bigger maintenance cost, so the rest of the state has to pain for our shitty service. Please Calibros, send some of that money to birthplace of the US

It's communism and that's haram

urban planners usually have no idea what they're doing

California has no one to blame. They fucked up this project so bad. This is also some of their "high speed" rail. Those burnout retards fucked high speed rail in this country.

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USA trys to build a high speed rail from San Fransico to LA in 10 years and fails.

Meanwhile in China this happened in 10 years.

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Places like LA dont even use the mass transit they have.

Who doesn't need the money
The USA is the richest country on earth and fails to build a single railroad. Chinks build their entire country in the meantime.
This discussion shouldn't be about 98 billion. The US blows more on defence in a day

Why using trains when you have rockets?

Why are they blaming Trump? I thought this was cancelled weeks ago by cali's own governor?

Probably because China doesn't need to worry about litigating eminent domain and paying fair value to property owners.

Believe it or not, most of that defense spending goes into weapons research (this is a broad as shit category and can include shit which has 0 relation to weapons) and maintenance. All the other shit for defense is minute in comparison to those big two things

or workers conditions/pay
or paperwork/bureaucracy
or safety standards

California seems like a dump despite being the richest state.

>not giving a fuck about private property, temples or nature
Ah yes how amazing. Also, their rail system during every major holiday turns into an overcrowded nightmare.

Aren't you gonna get hyperloop in America pretty soon?

It’s a shining example of the USA in many ways, the shit side of it is worse than third world tier while the good side of it surpass every other first world country

As rich as the US is, resources is still finite and you shouldn't be sinking resources in a project if the benefits don't exceed the costs.

Most of the country is too sparsely populated. I've seen rural French villages with more population density than the metro I live in.

Legal corruption, known as lobbying.

Yeah really shows the differences in values between China and USA. USA values keeping rich landowners rich while China values something that helps it's citizens and the state.

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The Feds canceled the CHSR funding because California canceled the HSR project.

I highly doubt even in the rich part thag California's infrastructure or city planning is better in than anywhere in the Netherlands.
Unless by surpass you mean in a bank account.

America is just pure oligarchy, something needs to benefit the rich or corporations before regulars.

Which is only worse since this reeks after embezzlement to me. At least a overpriced bomb is still a bomb and a soldier a soldier.
Lockheed Martin claiming to have spend 80.000 hours x $250 researching some rocket modification is just impossible to determine

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In pure economic terms California is just insane and only slightly smaller than Germany. How they manage to do it with 1960s urban planning is beyond me. Shows you don't need to think ahead to be rich I suppose

>Chinese values
>helps its citizens
Then why are all hospitals privatized?
A hospital will tell you to fuck off if you don't have money.
If it's someone else's fault for your injury, you bet he'd rather have you die than be obligated pay your medical bills.

>Believe it or not, most of that defense spending goes into weapons research (this is a broad as shit category and can include shit which has 0 relation to weapons) and maintenance. All the other shit for defense is minute in comparison to those big two things
Actually R&D is a minuscule part of the yearly defense budget.

To be fair hes been pushing for the first three and wants to do the 4th.

The "high-speed rail" project in California is a corrupt joke. It was a scam - people got rich by purchasing land along the "route" which the state of California then bought for its imaginary "rail line" that is not even being run between major cities. It's a huge corrupt scam, and the US federal government should not be involved.

Then why do you guys vote for the same retarded politicians over and over again?

Yeah, probably Manhattan is better with that infrastructure portion than LA is, but they do exceptionally well for themselves considering how awful it is in general
Some of the broad as shit stuff typically includes secret projects that get financed as something else.
That also is a reason why the Feds and Pentagon can “lose” so much money yearly, just about every American knows what it meant when we “lose” ludicrous amounts of money, it’s going into secret projects
Lots of times I subconsciously include when we “lose” money as well for R&D since it’s pretty obvious where that cash is going.

Speaking of losses, Indian high speed metro runs on losses too. In fact the regular Indian railways ( which is always packed in the north) runs on loss too. Expectedly, the bullet train will run on loss too. Guess solar energy is the solution. Don't know how hyperloop will turn out

We pay like $11 per gallon if not more and our ministry of infrastructure has to beg for just 5% of that money.
On car ownership taxes our government made €500 million above budgeted amount last year. All of which stashed away never to be seen again

>Lots of times I subconsciously include when we “lose” money as well for R&D since it’s pretty obvious where that cash is going.
Actually it's not obvious at all that "lost" money is going to R&D. US armed forces are a massive bureaucracy and it's completely natural and likely that there will be fuckups and inefficiencies

Doesn't most of the money go to maintenance, and deployment to the various bases around the world?
I imagine it ain't cheap to be the world police.

>Complaining about paying 4 dollars a gallon
>Meanwhile I pay 7.25 dollars a gallon
I hate you Americlaps

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I thought America has an efficient railway transit?

I’m pretty sure the military has enough projects it doesn’t want the public to know about that get financed with “lost” cash because the public outcry would be immense
Mild difference between us is admittedly you are on an island and don’t have any natural reserves of your own (that I’m aware of) so have to import your gas, still shitty for you regardless and I feel bad for you, so we don’t have a reason to complain as much compared to you

retard

>Commiefornia
Good, let it rot.

Most defense spending goes to salaries and pensions. By far. Then to medical expenses if the Veteran's Administration medical system is included in "defense" costs. Our federal budget is beyond fucked, though:

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You have cheap hydroelectricity, just buy electric cars.

Yeah, was figuring salaries and pensions could also be a main contributor.
Aren't the family also included or something, or do they just get a hefty bonus somehow?

>I’m pretty sure the military has enough projects it doesn’t want the public to know about that get financed with “lost” cash because the public outcry would be immense
Or not. You literally have no idea.

Yeah, On the books the salaries are extreme. Although, while I fucking despite the military industrial complex, it’s at least better than if it was full on private. A fucking leash can be put on some actions, but a private army would do shit that gets the most “return” for cash and would be awful if it had what the US has
True, I’ll concede that.

The best part is True Crime in the 2nd season covered this kind of shit.

Most pensions can be "inherited" by military spouses or (in many cases) ex-spouses. There is also a certain amount of housing and other facilities for families of active military members.

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It's because race/class divisions
Whites live in large sparsely populated areas (suburbs with large houses and yards) so you'd need like 10 train stations to service a 10k people area
Minorities don't bring much taxes so nobody gives a shit about tending to the infrastructure they need

Also rich people need transport to be centered around cars.
>be rich/white in California
>enter the train section unofficially designated for MS13 members only
>get stabbed
>drag yourself to the next vagon
>crips turf, get shot
It just doesn't work
People want to be safe in their cars as they travel through minority areas (which is pretty much 80% of urban areas in California)

People here are talking about the rich buying land and getting richer, but there is actually a real life example of why building public transport in America is so expensive, the new york second avenue subway, a small 8.5 mile track:

>Phase 1 ended up costing $500 million over its original budget of $3.8 billion—still a very high price compared to other new subway systems worldwide.
>Finally, the private and public sector could not cooperate smoothly on the project, further raising costs.[179] Of the $4.5 billion cost for Phase 1, $2.4 billion was allocated to building the three new stations and renovating the Lexington Avenue–63rd Street station.[181] Meanwhile, $500 million was spent on design and engineering, and another $734 million was for building tunnels between the stations, tracks, signals, and trackside systems.[181] The rest of the cost, $800 million, was spent on "construction management, real estate, station artwork, fare-collection systems and other sundry items."

It's not just real estate, EVERYONE is trying to get a slice of the public pie, from designers to union workers.

Damn man...
Also, L.A Noire (but about housing).

Yeah; True Detective season 2 was basically just the logical application of previous trends in California land development. The same things happened before with various other projects, especially ones related to water/irrigation and dams (see also the 1970's film Chinatown).

But at least those projects actually got built. This time, the corruption was so extreme that it killed the project almost entirely, like a virus killing its host.

Sorry, I was wrong, phase one was just 2 miles, the whole project is 8.5 miles. Phase two, 1.5 miles, is estimated to cost $6billion! How the fuck can anyone justify that?

It would be incredible to see Australia with a China tier rail system. There are so many places which would benefit enormously if they were actually viable to reach in a more practical manner.
People who are stuck away from major hospitals, etc. end up spending thousands just on travel for medical treatment, as one example.

Madness