Russians actually went and banned this movie

>located right after the war
>one of the biggest tragedies for russia to date
>shit on zhukov which is considered a national hero
>lol just make stalin fart and shit and die lmao and other hilarious jokes and pranks that can compete with the nazi myths tortures and shit hahaha it's not like the movie is about jews or our royals anyway haha it's just russian who cares we have an agenda to push so that's it, let's also air it during the most felt russian festivities and anniversaries too loooool!!! westernized millenials will like it top kek and meme! and let first present it in toronto film festival, lefties will love it and it fits the #resist and #protest virtue signaling too

Unless you are braindead you can see this garbage was tailored and ordered to join the mediatic war against Russia, it's in the same timeline of shut down planes, Ukraine, elections, falseflag gas attacks, butthurt faggots, olympics, world cups, Syria, etc.

And no, I'm not defending the schizo Stalin, which indeed was one of a kind of evil.
The movie was just meant to be as much offensive and subversive toward Russia and its perception around the world community.

It was pretty ebin

>shit on zhukov which is considered a national hero
that's because the ruskies are retarded and brainwashed

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>>located right after the war
wrong, 1953
>>one of the biggest tragedies for russia to date
stalin dying is a tragedy? what the actual fuck are you on about.
>>shit on zhukov which is considered a national hero
literally one of the heroes and most based character of the film, have you actally watched it?
>>lol just make stalin fart and shit and die
this never happens, he pisses himself because guards were afraid to go in after he had a stroke and he stayed unconscious for hours, which really happened.
>>and other hilarious jokes and pranks that can compete with the nazi myths tortures and shit hahah
jokes are actually very high brow and there is no pranks, what about nazis again?
>>who cares we have an agenda to push so that's it
what would that agenda be?

>Unless you are braindead you can see this garbage was tailored and ordered to join the mediatic war against Russia
literally how does it offend Russia? fucking name one reason why this film is actually offensive. From the reasons you listed I doubt you have even seen it.

he's either trolling or a retard, don't take him seriously

yeah, it's a pretty boring movie, but Steve Buscemi was funny

yeah, also Jason Isaacs.
did you think the ban was justified?

>wrong, 1953
8 years is not right after the war and everything is totally rebuilt and forgotten
>stalin dying is a tragedy? what the actual fuck are you on about.
clearling misunderstaning on purpose it was refered to the war
>literally one of the heroes and most based character of the film, have you actally watched it?
Have you? Do you realize in what kind of shitshow he was slapped in?
>this never happens, he pisses himself because guards were afraid to go in after he had a stroke and he stayed unconscious for hours, which really happened.
>It never happens but it happened!
And there was no need to show it but seems like it was a crucial imagery for some reason.
>what would that agenda be?
Don't ask it, you are the proof it's working.

It's kinda admirable from Russia not doing similar movies that intentionally mock, offend, laugh at other admired figures and heroes of foreign countries aside maybe the dead horse that is Hitler's kikes movie business.
I don't remember the Soviets or modern Russia being obsessed at releasing films about Churchill, Elizabeth II, Eisenhower, Alliance troops and the likes to basically say fuck to international and diplomatic relationships, or Americans, Brits and Europeans being the trope villain of every single thriller and other genres movies.

>also Jason Isaacs
you're right
>did you think the ban was justified?
no, it was completely pointless

It was banned because this movie makes fun of repressions.

source:your ass

>hahaha millions of people died so funny hahahah
I haven't seen a comedy about the Holocaust yet.

>8 years is not right after the war
correct
>clearling misunderstaning on purpose it was refered to the war
a tragedy means you can't make movies on it? says who? complete non-argument
>Do you realize in what kind of shitshow he was slapped in?
what is the shitshow? he's not mocked in any way whatsoever.
>And there was no need to show it
noooo muh Stalin can't piss himself, leave the poor old man alone.
kek seriously?
>you are the proof it's working.
ah yes, le epic conspiracy against Russia. This would be all fine and dandy IF the movie was actually offensive or openly lied about Russians. granted it takes quite a few artistic licenses it never devolves into pure mockery, it's just a cleverly written political comedy that takes some punches at some despicable personalities. I doubt any sane Russian would actually defend Stalin or Beria.

>It's kinda admirable from Russia not doing similar movies that intentionally mock, offend, laugh at other admired figures and heroes of foreign countries
the movie never does that tho.
>I don't remember the Soviets or modern Russia being obsessed at releasing films about Churchill, Elizabeth II, Eisenhower,
westerners don't do that either, this movie is pretty unique in that respect.
> basically say fuck to international and diplomatic relationships
seriously? releasing a comedy that isn't even mocking anything is disrupting diplomatic relationships more than all the other shit? lmao
>or Americans, Brits and Europeans being the trope villain of every single thriller and other genres movies.
nice tinfoil hat, jesus christ I hope you're trolling me.
also go watch the movie.

Stalin was publicly denounced and Beria was executed, why is it no allowed to make a bit of irony on these characters?

The movie never makes fun of the victims, not once, only the perpetrators.
ane even more than that the movie is about the political intrigue and power struggle inside the politburo, it's never about lol dead russians lmao.

>no, it was completely pointless
Why do Russians always lie? We know what you're really thinking Ivan.

Come on don't pretend like I am Russian that's why I know better about my country than west. You don't be clever when you correct one number or sentence in whole fact about Russia.

>a tragedy means you can't make movies on it? says who? complete non-argument
>what is the shitshow? he's not mocked in any way whatsoever.
>noooo muh Stalin can't piss himself, leave the poor old man alone.
>kek seriously?
I see you are pretending to not understand which leads me to think that
>ah yes, le epic conspiracy against Russia. This would be all fine and dandy IF the movie was actually offensive or openly lied about Russians. granted it takes quite a few artistic licenses it never devolves into pure mockery, it's just a cleverly written political comedy that takes some punches at some despicable personalities. I doubt any sane Russian would actually defend Stalin or Beria.
it does indeed work.

>This would be all fine and dandy IF the movie was actually offensive or openly lied about Russians. granted it takes quite a few artistic licenses it never devolves into pure mockery
>mfw the term "lie" is now just a normalzied synonym of "artistic license"
>I doubt any sane Russian would actually defend Stalin or Beria.
Nobody sane would but the movie as a whole product is debatable and of poor taste and has an intentional malevolent allure and its release is totally not a coincidence between the mediatic war and geopolitical affairs and the 100th anniversary of the revolution.
>westerners don't do that either, this movie is pretty unique in that respect.
They do, with whoever is not westerner or wasn't on the "right part of the history" in Europe. They even do it while the political leaders are still alive, see House of Cards, see Kim Jong Un's hollywood movie and the faked threats and hacker attacks from DPRK toward it to boost the attention on it.
>seriously? releasing a comedy that isn't even mocking anything is disrupting diplomatic relationships more than all the other shit? lmao
It takes even less sometimes, like a single quote from a minor public figure.

literally everything in this post is either shit-tier whataboutism, conspiracy theories and sobbing over stuff that is not even in the movie, so I'm not going to grace you with a proper response.

go watch the movie, it shows you haven't.

>nice tinfoil hat, jesus christ I hope you're trolling me
The most common known to the world hollywoodian trope is a cospiracy.
May I ask you if you were born after 2000?
Because even know you can see the same trend except Russians, Nazis, Serbians are now joined by Iranians, Chinese and mandatory filler nation and leader that doesn't lick the US or NATO boots renamed as X regime, except this time the hollywood is polluting this evergreen tactic with a more PC friendly key so that they also save money by adding national politics as background and flavor to these blockbusters and tv series.

If Russia or China made a slanderous movie about the USA and how Lincoln killed millions of black people and how the USA is actually a dictatorship, the USA would ban it in a heartbeat.

>another rambling crock of nothing pointing fingers at literally nobody in particular but MUH GONSPERACY

alright, here's your (you)

Almost died of laughing when watched it with my friends. We all historians by the way. Ban it was retarded.
If you want to know best moment about it video was interview with old lady who lived under Stalin and watched the movie and she say while crying who it the other countries that make such movie but not Russia.

BECAUSE. You will never understand the tragedy.

>Stalin gud boi

got it

"this film
"why

Except the Russians are the good guys and they make it clear that Georgians are evil.

Just think about how America would react if something similar was done to them. They can't go five minutes without accusing Russia and China of something even when things are quite.
Its like that time the USA literally made a film about killing Kim Jong Un and slandering their country and were like "its just a joke bro!" when North Korea obviously didn't find it funny. If North Korea made a movie about killing Trump he'd go off his fucking head.

whay tragedy?

based intellectual.

What about that Dick Cheney film that came out last year?

>historians
The same historians who use a literal novel written by some dude with no historical background as an authority on the USSR?

>If North Korea made a movie about killing Trump he'd go off his fucking head.
North Koreans made TONS of anti-USA propaganda movies, they even kidnapped South Korean directors to make them, and you can still watch those movies in America, because say what you want about them but censorship there is administered more sparingly.

What an insightful contribution, you truly are a honorary American poster with this dramatic leaving from the argument. I literally clapped.
The ad personam was very scenic as much as the evasive stock ready buzzword reply being (You), conspiracy, bait, no u and other evergreens.

The USA has even banned a mere sport movie about the Soviets winning some literally who basketball match at some Olympics while the Brits shit on their own nationalities who dare to release interviews to the Russian media.
>inb4conspiracy

Meant for

Film bans aren’t a thing here, unlike Airstrip One.

I know who you are (a complete fucking spastic) and I don't want to reply to your ramblings when it's pretty fucking apparent you haven't even seen the movie, fuck off and get help.

Bc Putin sees himself as a successor to the Bolsheviks

To us it's funny because of just how absurd it is and how much the soviet union at the time was a bizzaro land completely fucked in the head to the point of looking like a comedy
But to them it was real and it was/is no laughing matter, those are my thoughts on why it's banned anyway

I just don't get how it is offensive for the average Russian person when the movie only takes punches at Politburo personalities who have been publicly denounced anyway.

>Stalin was publicly denounced and
Lots of bydlo still think he's a national hero though.

washingtonpost.com/world/europe/a-new-russian-film-takes-us-back-to-the-ussr-to-celebrate-a-soviet-olympic-miracle/2017/12/30/429d3ae4-e708-11e7-9ec2-518810e7d44d_story.html
Some movies aren't banned but instead the cinemas and theatres owners are pressure to drop the titles instead, which of course is totally not censorship.

cheatsheet.com/entertainment/movies-that-were-banned-in-the-u-s.html/

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_banned_in_the_United_States
(the sexual content bans were justified, Pink Flamingos is peak LGBTQ++ degeneracy and pozzed with trannies, transvestites, scat and zoophilia)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_banned_films
(some are justified because lack any public decency while some are riduculous or ironic, skip the obvious gore and those movies that are poor excuses for porn, Pasolini is one of the worsts at projecting)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Film_censorship_in_the_United_Kingdom

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_banned_in_Canada
>1981 Beau-père French film about a man having sex with a minor was banned in Ontario.
>tfw current canada is actually based on a movie

This is the most relevant one perhaps because it is basically the first filter stage for the media and entertainment content, so whatever doesn't appear in the censored or banned movies above is just the tip of the iceberg and I'm not talking about pornography or gore, but about ideology and depiction and critic of the US and its allies or a different opinion on a war:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_the_United_States

Whatever makes you feel less insecure and more adamant on your contrarian stance.

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_banned_in_the_United_States
Almost all of these were decades ago and most were local bans.

Unless you're one of those /x/fags who think Beria poisoned him.

Stalin's only worthy hero status is due to winning the war which cannot be denied, it's a big achievement (more of a common and whole nation award to its last resort tactics and last strength used to fight the enemies) yes but it barely surpasses the almost even ammount him and his buddies have done to the Russians and those who didn't want to join the commie circlejerk to begin with.

>local bans
>no mention of the US in en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_banned_films

lmao

Lest we also forget that he ignored repeated British warnings that a German attack was imminent and when it did come, he shit himself and cowered in a bunker for weeks.

>banned this movie
No they didn't.
They revoked the license. The movie is free for purchase and piracy.
>yet the government chimped out.
They are imitating activity.

it is banned by the Ministry of Culture though, correct?

>They are imitating activity.
what do you mean?

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>We are confident that the movie was made to distort our country's past so that the thought of the 1950s Soviet Union makes people feel only terror and disgust.

Wha...you think the place was Disney Land and all those labor camps and MVD arrests were Western propaganda?

Which is why I wanted to to focus on the general beforehand censorship that filters the content that is deemed "hostile" or "problematic" as in against the narrative or worse, critic of "them" through rejection, boycotting and sueing.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_the_United_States

Even know the US and UK governments are still upset about Al Jazeera, CGTV and RT, especially the latter having sometimes even more views than national channels, I believe it's an acceptable way to at least hear news about your own country that don't sound like the same memo'd cable national news, of course RT can't report for shit on daily Russian life and events unless it's for global promotion but then again it's supposed to be an international news service and not local. Meanwhile the EU and US funded news outlets and journalists in Russia are there free to report whatever they want in Russia while crying for no views because of oppression (their sites and YT are not censored and free for visits but they don't get any share) and even the opposition press gets partially supported by government funds government despite shitting 24/7 on Putin's gang and "the Russians" because they indeed use the third person to refer to Russians as if they were the strangers in Russia, actually very similar scenario to the Italian one freedom wise.

>it is banned by the Ministry of Culture though, correct?
Not quite. They revoked the screening sertificate, meaning that this movie can't be shown in cinema. Not sure about DVD distribution, since there are no idiots who would buy DVDs anyway.
>what do you mean?
Playing serious, showing off, acting as if they care over something.

Because the US have their own page and they do wisely use other means to perform and obstain the same results of censorship.

>movie banned in Bible belt village in Alabama
>same level of a nationwide Ministry of Culture ban

brainlet and a liar

>movie about bureaucratic foolishness and absurdity
>banned by bureaucrats
gee i wonder why

checked and redpilled

>Playing serious, showing off, acting as if they care over something.
Also this.
Feel like Russia is waiting for the communist party bigs and its generation to pass away so the theme of the USSR and Lenin and Stalin's mausoleums being less divisive and controversial at the moment. The parades will be still celebrated because the victory was an undisputed national achievement be it under a dictatorship or a fluffy rainbow friendly democracy. There are nostalgics despite not even being born in the USSR Russia and an actual majority that lived during its hardest times and reconstruction and eventual development and I think those would be legit offended to see their pride being attacked by foreign conenent.
Some Russian producers and directors also love to scream "censorship" to advertise their shitty movies when they movies were never banned or censored, see Leviathan, Anna(?) or The Fool, the first two are just obvious artsy fartsy dull depressing tryhard award baiting Russian movies made for the European festivals, for example the so called controversial Leviathan was actually based on a real story that took place in the US if I recall correctly.

>suddenly american states are not america and basically muh freedom, constitution and shit don't apply anymore in this specific case
Pretty sure any public showcase or praising of communism ideology or even a balanced documentary about the ideology without spoopy images and myths is still banned in the US.

>Pretty sure any public showcase or praising of communism ideology or even a balanced documentary about the ideology without spoopy images and myths is still banned in the US.

wrong, brainlet and deceitful on top of being a liar.

>Feel like Russia is waiting for the communist party bigs and its generation to pass away so the theme of the USSR and Lenin and Stalin's mausoleums being less divisive and controversial at the moment
It will be controversial for decades more and not becase of comparty bigs. They're nonames.

>let me tell you about your country the thread

pretty sure one of those Italians is a Ukrainian living in Sicily

I hope Italchook dies the most painful death

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Control_Act_of_1954
It is just not being enforced in mass despite being law, which is sad because this cringefest exists there for that reason en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_USA

fortunately I almost never had to deal with him

Zuganov is indeed anonymous, I am aware only of two Communist parties in Russia, the big one and some minor one, but they indeed are desperate if they end pushing a corrupted strawberry millionaire that has tricked his own people to become richer as a presidential candidate, despite this they do still manage to get a "respectable" share of votes from the rural and other regions with difficulties and no jobs.

>shitty movie
>unrespectful of leaders and war heroes
They did the right thing

>respecting murderers

stop samefagging you russian cuck

Are these kind of Russians like you really that paranoid or retarded? Just asking for a friend.
Do they see Ukrainians everywhere after watching the daily dose of news about the nazi Ukraine and then accuse another user as of being a Ukrainian communist? The same news that tell them the Ukrainian are their brothers and that they are all the same people but then suddently they become as "those Ukrainians" when you don't like something.
It's fascinating as much as when Americans try to guess the skin of your color in Europe or randomly trying to guess and accuse anons to visit Reddit or whatever stigma board on Jow Forums when out of arguments.

no, there's a pretty real ukrainian who's active in threads about Russia
I've encountered him once, mental bloke
if he wasn't ukrainian my point wouldn't change
sorry if that's not you

There was also the Security Act of 1950 which forbids anyone from joining the FBI, Secret Service, CIA, or holding a military rank above noncom if they've ever been a member of an organization that espouses Marxism-Leninism. And rightly so.

Extremely cringe post you would expect from Chinese insect living in Australia

Butthurt poland be butthurt

Yes, Russia was better under it. It's a fact.

I think it also forbade anyone to immigrate to the US if they were an active member of an organization that espouses Marxism-Leninism.

This has actually had an unintentionally good effect in that unlike Cuckada, Chinese can't buy up real estate en masse because membership in the CCP means they cannot move to the US.

Khrushchev's denunciation of Stalin was hugely controversial and far from universally popular. While intellectuals obviously approved, tons of bydlo did not. There were also riots in Georgia and the army had to be called in to put them down.

Beria was one bad dude and he also raped hundreds of teenage girls.

Poor Zhukov got cucked twice. First after the war when Stalin demoted him to a minor regional command and second when Khrushchev decided to dump him as defense minister and force him into retirement, in both cases because the guy was too popular and seen as a national hero so he was a threat to their power.

I remember some Russians did see it and pretty much didnt get why it was banned either.

>Russian government

*moscals that took over the russian government

Laugh at this idiot

Proofs?
Based

Why some? We all watched it online.

>join the mediatic war against Russia, it's in the same timeline of shut down planes, Ukraine, elections,
This all happened
>falseflag gas attacks
So jihadis can now make sarin gas? and the accused isnt Russia
>, butthurt faggots
That's not a smear at Russia they made a law and fags got upset. It's just something that took place
>, olympics
Happened
>, world cups
What???? I dont know what controversy your talking about
>, Syria, etc.
Again it happened and it's not really about Russia.

what's the consensus?

Wrote Solzhenitsyn, "It is the most incredible irony that this man who wielded total, unlimited power, a man who could transport entire nations of people from one end of the country to the other simply by ordering it, was unable to get medical attention due to the nature of the Soviet system."

He is a retard and fiction writer

And, "Stalin never really had anything against the Western capitalists, after all they had never been anything but enemies. But Tito however...to think that someone could offer a model of socialism that was different from his, absolutely unthinkable. Were Nicholas II to come back from the dead, Stalin would have lost less sleep than he did over Tito."

It's ironic because Solzhenitsyn owed his life to Soviet medical system.

a genius writer, you mean

Given Nicholas II's level of IQ and overall competence against Tito's, he was probably right.