If socialism is so bad...

Worked um yugoslavia that has much more problems with diversity then the US , you just need to keep nationalism ir in the US case racial tensions and the resulting chimps outs in check

I never claimed Cuba was white you fucking retard
learn 2 read

Capitalism didn't make America rich. America is full of resources.

The government owning the means of production is always bad, without exception. However what people confuse with socialism is welfare. Welfare always works as well.

Completely free capitalism doesn't work either, because people will abuse the systema and make it unfree, monopolistic for themselves.

The best society is a welfare capitalistic society where there are specific rules for corporations to obey. Pretty much every developed nation is this already.

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You know that socialism is dead when your only comparative example is Haiti. If you want the actual reason, Haiti was able to develop its economy from beforehand and received assistance from the Soviets while Haiti ever since it's birth as a nation has been targeted or a victim of totalitarian regimes and intervening governments that have refused to liberalise the economy for the sake of their pockets

Only white nations can be homogenous. Brown = diversity.

Based pekka

Capitalism ONLY did that to the sates beacuse of your exeptional Geographical postion in the world, a nations full of material wealth far from any conflicts and that never had to face any devestating war and could mantain rivals at an arms lenght

>The government owning the means of production is always bad, without exception.
Oh and I forgot to explain why. People deciding what works economically never works. What works is trial and error. It happens in a marketplace. Just look at Google. Possibly the best know-how when it comes to products. Still produce 90% shit and the difference between shit and non-shit is decided only by the marketplace.

Government owning the means of production also always invariably leads to heavy corruption. It's harder to cheat the marketplace when you've simply got a shit product. It's different when again, people and their ideals decide what product's the best.

It became rich due to heavy migration from the rest of the world. Before 1900 we had virtually no taxes, it was a true libertarian society. People came here because they could get a lot of land for sometimes free from the government and then pay no taxes for living off the land.

Cuba has been under a blockade for 60 year WTF are you on about

It's maybe can work on small county's like yours, but not on 100M+ big boys, fellow succdem.

Russia is massive and is rich of resources

That's not what homogeneous means at all
Brown countries can be homogeneous, Asian countries can be homogeneous, hurrr durr

You’re right of course, but that won’t stop one of my countrymen from insisting that some flavor of AnCap works.
>taxation is theft!!!

Is there that much of a difference? In a country where even little corruption is frowned upon, corrupted business leaders get thrown in jail. In Finland, large-scale economical crimes carry surprisingly long sentences compared to for example raping a woman. I'm not sure if corrupted business leaders is what you were talking about.

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Cuba acts like the HQ for all drug trade in the American continent and part of Europe. They could be tropical Switzerland instead of prostituting their daughters for food coupons if it wasn't for the Castros.

I dunno know why you're so aggravated by us when they're are so few of us and we have absolutely no influence.

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80% of Russia os a desolate wasteland user that was devestated by war constantly and its in a much worse postion then the US ,it was several rivals at spting distance and in case you didnt read history from the seccond they turned socialist the were imediatly attack from all side ,so on top of trying to build socialism you also have to constatly make a big efford to defend your self from outside treats

Everything west of the Mississippi is desolate wasteland too until it wasn't.

>I trust companies that only have to care about profit to own the means of production then my fellow working man
It might be my commie brain but i cannot even force my self to think like this

Yeah i'm sure it had nothing to do with the fact that most Russians were forced into serfdom until the late 1800s

You really want to compare temperate flatlands with Frozen hellhole of Denise forest?

>Workers should own the companies
The next step is declaring that the government is the collective of all workers and from there on the government owns all the companies.

user more than half of the American west is desert. The only reason people came out here is because of gold and precious metals. You're telling me that Russia doesn't have precious metals?

It isnt but it should be , the issue is that is politicians who only know how to be "politicians" and never had to workers

Most workers don't make good politicians. Just because politicians suck doesn't mean 'le working man' knows it better.

Companies don't just care about profit.

Think about Businessman Joe. He's got a family. He's got a reputation to uphold. What does he tell his kids about his work when he gets home. Dad's an asshole? Dad's asshole face is on the front page of the newspaper, with asshole written in bold under it?

I think in the modern social media, rapid-fire news era we're seeing more of companies caring about this image at the cost of whatever profit they might lose. They don't really care about the company's image. The people working for the company care about their own image.

Somehow this stupid human selfishness is ending up benefiting us all. All you've got to remember is to support journalism and the concept of government governing the marketplace to a degree. Lobbyists also have too much power.

The main goal of a company is the continuation of said company. That includes many things such as profits, image, workers, etc.

Less negros

Politicians are suppost to represent the working men yet most of them never had an 8hour job in their life, you just need to educate workers and they can make decisions betwen them selfs
Boo por buisness men Joe ,he shits on workers all day and underpays them but por guy gets face is on the newspapers atleast he had his hundreds of thousands in the bank as consulation, companies ONLY care about profit they just put a friendly Nice company coat of Paint on because that is good for buisness.
I work in a warehouse/repairshopt (Im posting from there) and the owner of mau company that literaly ONLY os my boss becuse he fucked the Daughter of the founder came in here the other day said the warehouse was all messy(it wasnt ,its just the most practical way to pack it) and that it was bad PR for his companies and forced us to come on a saturday to put it the way he wanted or we were fired.

Yeah, well, imagine if someone were to publish a report about that in the local paper.

I would go cry in his Ferrari while i took the bus home and counted the change for my Next lunch

Not its not you are just exagerating ,Siberia is literaly a Frozen wasteland no amount of gold Will make setteling large amounts of people in that area

I'd rather live in Aruba than Cuba.

Anything is better than American imperialism anyway

Southeast Russia is mild and the Mongolians have a huge city in the same climate as most of Siberia

Not all gummy bears get evenly divided no matter what, but least of all in the case where everyone is a dummy and one of the dummies only managed to marry the daughter of a smarter boss you didn't seem to complain about.

Cuba was already a nice place BEFORE the revolution, in fact it was one the richest countries in Latin America. It had a huge Spanish white population which is reflected in the architecture of the country, or you think all those nice buildings where built for niggers. What you see there is a delipidated remnant of a glorious past. Communism is the only system that can turn a thriving wealthy country into a stagnant crumbling shithole.

Not all Gummy bears arent evenly distributed because that is the system that we live in Change that insted of setteling for it , Thats what i do takes a long time but step by step you start to notice a diference you just have to take action .
I see you like to bootlick the company owners That is your mistake but dont expect everyone who works under uncaring fat cat to settle like you

cuba's car culture is kino

Imagine a set of legos. Build a tower. You've got leftover legos lying around. They're not as tall.

Crush down the tower. Now they're all equal. But legos have a tendency to be assembled again. It's lego nature. A tower will simply pop up again. There is no point in fighting against windmills. The only found solution is an attempt at trying to make the windmill better, not gone. You can't get rid of the guy who married the daughter. You can succeed at making him change his behavior. You won't succeed if you just bitch at his face. You need to go around him.

>Huge population
>Biggest city in mongolia 1.4million
Are you being being stubborn on porpouse? Do you think all russian rulers havent tried to transfrom siberia like the US did in the west coast , it cant be done or at least i wont be worth it , be honnest do you want to live in thundra where the temperature is negative most of the time?

people live in Alaska willingly

Not it wasnt cuba was basicly a colony for americans buisness and its people were basicly slave stop shitposting

Yeah a tiny portion of the population like in siberia , imagine siberia as a Giant alaska.
I asked you btw

Dude ive never seen such a boot licker , people step on you and you just take it ?
I take action towards my party ofcourse i dont go to his face altho i would like to , i vote for people that wont allow him to underpays my labor , i go on strike so he loses profit etc etc. I would much Esther insted of fucking him passively fucking him actively but its all i can do

Listen now moortunigger, during the late 1800s and early 1900s Cuba was more developed than your country, it had a thriving middle-class with access to the latest fashion, media, technology. Cubans had radio and television at home before most Europoors. Obviously there was also high poverty in certain setments of the population, because niggers will be niggers, but overall the quality of life was higher. Now under communism everyone is equally miserable.

You're like a character from one of those romantic comedies that could clear up a misunderstanding just by saying it's a misunderstanding, but instead you seethe and growl in a dark corner like Gollum.

All you've got to blame is yourself...

>mUh listen here you nigger
>Niger Nigers nigers Nigers
>Black Balck Balck ,mUh gommies
Pls back to your containment board

Expect that this is real life if your ok with being exploited Thats with you ,other people dont settle .
Do you have any political party? Do you participate actively to Change your country for the better ? I do how am i seething in the corner when Im acctualy doing something about my situation?

>pls
Beg some more dumb faggot. Lol you can refute the reality. The point is everything good you see in Cuba came before communism. The commies where able to spread the wealth because there was great wealth in there to begin with. You can't built anything with communism, that's why they're still stuck in the 1950s, the economic peak of the country before it all went to shit.

Your are just shitposting i dont want to deal with stormfags whose main source is Jow Forums and their ass

Nice Bolshevik propaganda, foreign intervention was negligible. The only substantial place it was attacked was from within because millions of Russians found death preferable to a self-evidently retarded reorganization of their society.

Jesus you are a walking Jow Forums tread
>mUh intervetion was limited to military action
what is economic an embargos
What is containment
Neck yourself stormfag

You don't want to deal with facts and reality because you're a dishonest coward who lives in fantasy land. Communism is a system that has proven to be a complete failure time and time again but faggots like you want to live with you "revolution" delusion. Go live in Venezuela and eat rotten meat from a trash can, go leave behind the comfort of capitalism, you coward, you don't believe the bullshit you spew. Communism sucks and you know it.

So fucking retarded

Lmao the only dishonnest faggot here is you spiting Pure unfilter bullshit and then playing it of as fact
Please give me One source that backs up any of your claims ?
The fact os that cubas has the highest development of the caribians and its higher then most of central and south American , it has a life expectancy higher then the US , has child mortality rates equal to western europe a low poverty rate and 99% literacy rate.
You are just a seething faggot that lives in his parents basements and beses his world view on what he sees on Jow Forums how pathetic ,just the fact that you unironicly belive that Venezuela is socialist shows how much of a brainlet you are

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It isn't that socialism is good, it's Americans and American influence that ruin countries. Cuba was a failure of American foreign policy, so it became the country with the best life quality (except freedom). The US wanted to maintain a feudal system in Latin America.
Poverty was much more widespread than you will ever be capable of comprehending.

Cuba was already the most developed country in the whole region, you retarded Portuguese monkey. That's the whole point, but it eludes your monkey brain. fucking dumb piece if shit, Cuba was at a whole other level compared to other Caribbean shitholes. In terms of infrastructure, architecture, technology Cuba was more comparable to most European countries rather than these shirty islands. You have no fucking idea of how far into an abyss Cuba has fallen in relation to how GREAT it once was. Stupid motherfucker, so don't even open you ape mouth and speak about a country of which you know nothing of.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=jNixpGx4AV8

Absolutly seething
The only source i Saw there is your asa
Its time to stop posting friend you are just proving me right at this point

All of that development was concentrated in the capital city Havana and very little of that development actually benefited ordinary Cubans. It went pretty much exclusively to enrich the American expats and white comprador upper class, while ordinary Cubans lived horribly. Women were forced into prostitution in massive numbers because of poverty, again to serve Americans. Gambling in casinos for Americans was one of the biggest industries in Cuba. 'Brothels, casinos, and nightclubs were increasingly controlled by organized crime based in the United States.'

The country was pretty much a colony of the USA designed entirely to serve the needs of Americans before the Communists came in power.

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What's an ordinary Cuban in your limited poing of view? The nigger under-class minority who are still living in misery and squalor to this very day? Are those the ordinary Cubans that come to mind. Right now they are still selling their black pussy to survive, they are called "jineteras". Nothing has changed in terms of poverty, the misery is still there, but now there's no wealth and development to counterbalance that misery and ugliness. Cuba became a vessel prostitute state of the Soviet Union for decades, and risked the island getting blown to hell just for this retarded ideology which has been a complete failure, and then in the 90s Russia dropped Cuba like a cheap whore sinking it into a deeper state of shittiness.

And then it became a slave state for the Castro family, where people whore their children off to Canadians for food

>Source my ass
I admire your stubbones you have been proven wrong several Times and Still chimp out with delusions Thats some commitment

cuba is not a nice place. and haity and jamaica have a much larger portion of afro-caribian population.

You have contributed nothing here besides the typical pro-commie regurtations. I won't even ask you to provide a source for the stupidity you spew, because your problem isn't simply a lack of knowledge but rather a clear mental deficiency. You're a retarded faggot.

>cuba is not a nice place

lies

sure it might look romantic with all the old cars and shit. but thats because they are poor as fuck and cant afford new ones, they are stuck in the last century. why the fuck do you think do they keep escaping to muttland?

most of those cars are kept as a novelty now, they lifted the ban on car imports like six years ago.
> why the fuck do you think do they keep escaping to muttland?
few traitors

cuba isn't rich by any standards but they are doing bretty good for a socialist country.

Ad hominem after ad hominem
You sound like a winner ,when i how up i want to be a neet just like you

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>The keep escaping to mutt land
You are about 30 years out of date

Cuba was never india tier, Cuba deteriorated from the castro oligarchy, but it's not at indian levels yet.

I really doubt Cuba is nicer than Jamaica

Cuba is one og the whitest countries in thw world and plundering dictator managed to impovrich it.

Is this the new meme? Instead of arguing or raising any points you just call everybody else Jow Forums?

Never trust these populist dictators they care only about exploiting and robbing the country anf enriching themselves and gaining power.

rich coming from that flag

>Cuba was already the most developed country in the whole region, you retarded Portuguese monkey. That's the whole point, but it eludes your monkey brain. fucking dumb piece if shit, Cuba was at a whole other level compared to other Caribbean shitholes. In terms of infrastructure, architecture, technology Cuba was more comparable to most European countries rather than these shirty islands
then they got independence

Unironically we could have had world peace and harmony with the conditions during the 50s or 60s, but USA and Soviet Union had to overconsume resources and destabilize a ton of regions because of their ideological autism.

Well known into doesn't need a source.

Its well knowed that you are faggot

there's still people who think the cold war was over ideology? wew

bait

This was unironically a pretty good political thread, good arguments by Porto and the finn

It was until a mutt flag derailed it i was enjoying it very much but retards leave their containment board and ruim every civil argument

Well, school in Cuba...

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>they are stuck in the last century
is this supposed to be bad