Why are Europeans against the idea of a united Europe capable of competing economically with the USA and China to put...

in the case of a real union we would get the nordick dole money, Jose

No. You're retarded enough to buy the "competing with China" crap, when it directly translates to "strip yourself of any rights and enjoy the costs of living of an European country with the salary of a bangladeshi factory worker"?

Wow symbolism in architecture who would have told?

kys

What do you know about us, you dumb cunt eyed faggot?

We're not you

I see no reason to form a federation with eastern shitholes.
They will parasite us, whine all the time and generally be an annoying burden.
Easterners only want the good things and will jump off the boat the second they don’t find their personal interest.

They shouldn’t even be part of the EU

>Think a non-communist europe would ever unite
Lmao unless we have unifying commun ground that would never happen and if it did it would be a neo-liberal nightmare.

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Soviet union was expansionist and imperialistic

>the virgin European Parliament
>the CHAD EVROPA Building

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This thread again? Fuck off 3rd worlder.

>Democratic decentealized fedartion
Never happening desu, i would go as far to say that would be Impossible ,unless there are massive changes all of europe/world

Not really, it just reclaimed the territory of the Russian Empire, its predecessor state. Regarding ideology and spheres of influence however, yes, of course the USSR was expansionist.

What does have to do with my post?
Please tell me a unifying factor of all european people besides se are in the same continet and our histories of fighting each other?

What's inside the egg?

>((((("Europeans")))))
also stop posting this same shit over and over again you fucking inbred western eurobulbasaur proxyfaggot

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the fuck does this shit suppose to mean?

A gaint Merkel

>Within the atrium was to be constructed a "lantern-shaped" structure housing the main meeting rooms where the EU's delegations to the European Council and Council of the EU would meet
It's a building

The only reason most people are against it is the migrant crisis and how it was handled.

The problem is it is so entirely transparent. They believe people are just economic units, to be shipped in from the other side of the world when the population growth takes a slip, then seem confused when there are social and cultural impacts from this. This entire 'European identity' notion is something people have been pushing hard for decades now, and it is laughable. The whole thing is a liberal white guilt trip gone off the rails.

We have a lot in common, more than any of us would probably like to admit, but anyone with half a brain can see that the EU is simply an opportunistic attempt to consolidate and create positions of power.

If the guy in power down the road you can vote out doesn't care about you, why should the guy several thousand miles away who you can't vote out five a flying fuck about any of you?

A trade federation is a fine thing, and it has been a fine thing, but when it shifted swiftly into a pan-European legislative power, then I don't know what anyone was expecting.

Germany and Rance love this shit, of course, because it works almost entirely in their favour, so they've every single understandable reason to push this hard. Others do not, so of course, there are going to be disagreements.

Brexit is a fucking joke, though, we should really just take the UK Parliament out into the street, shoot them all and start from scratch at this point.

>reclaimed the territory of the Russian Empire,
>Not imperialistic

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wouldn't imperialistic be going beyond what you already have?

I don't want to sound arrogant, but I'm living in a tiny democratic federation of 26 sovereign mini nations, 4 languages, 2 major religions and it works just fine.
>bi-chamberal EU parliament
>upper house 2 senators per country, 1 for mini nations like Andorra, directly elected by national populace
>lower house according to population count, directly elected by national populace
>council government, concordance type, 7-9 members, no real president, elected by the full parliament, let them haggle it out
>direct democratic checks and balances, fairly scaled down since EU is so huge, but still strong enough that EU population can show who is sovereign and who is not
>veto function for countries, if you have something like 4.5+ countries that refuse a law from EU Parliament, EU populace has to vote on it
>consequent bottom up approach, first comes national region, than country then EU, make laws on local levels and don't bother other people. Only make EU laws when you really need to, otherwise let people look for themselves
>solid financial and bureaucratic control, I'm not paying taxes for fun
>well regulated financial transfer to poorer EU regions, but this time for real, build real infrastructure and bring them to level, but require performance up to standards regarding efficiency and corruption.
>EU army with decentralized command in times of peace, in case of war parliament elects high commander with temporary dictatorial powers
This one could work imo.

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>Europeans are one solid unity

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They have been manipulated by foreign powers.

>tiny

also, don't compare your politicians with ours

nobody is saying that you dumb faggot

based.

a federation without the Mediterranean though

Could work, but to have a real democratic EU you have to take power away from the Member states and they would throw an autistic fit

t. Europoor

Europoor charmander cope

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Catholicism and Protestantism are not two major religions
>4 languages
there’s one valley where they speak romansche

How many Europoor lives is one big tree worth?

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>the EU isnt an american proxy
you dont know shit about how the eu works and to whose interests
the EU is eternally tied to the us via its core treaties
you only want a eu membership to leech off welfare

>competing economically with the USA and China

Yeah so your elites can rake in billions in their gated mansions and ivory towers while you beg for welfare bucks with the immigrants.
Hey but at least your GDP will look good.
Well not YOUR GDP .....

It works on a small scale your cunt doesnt have 580million people in it.
How would having only 2 senators be fair? Here In protugal we have 2 major parties (they are pretty similar) and like 3 other parties with national relevance(from soviet style commies to cristcucks) how would we choose what parties could send senators? Would they all be from just One party?
>Eu army
Not to be rude but you really dont know anything about military affairs if you think that is possible ,just see how good the austrian-hungarian army was ,multi national armies are doomed to fail ,not to mention half of europe uses old soviet stuff 1/4 uses mutt/yuro hardware and the other 1/4 use national equipment

You're right. This happened twice in history with federalized republics, once in Switzerland, it ended with the Sonderbund war, and once int he US with what is known today as the US civil war.
Still, I'm dreaming. I think a decentralized democratic European Federation would really work, because it would respect our diversity, let all people do their own thing and keep their cultural identity and local political sovereignty, yet we still could work together in unity.

Politicians are all the same, that's what checks & balances are for.

>A very small country fortified from every front by nature with boatloads of money that has been one of the key centers of diplomacy for a long time could survive such intense multiculturalism
Well no shit Sherlock

>an undemocratic super state run by bureaucrats and lobbyists

Which is exactly what any big federation/union is.
You just gradually loose actual representation and the ability to change your government as it grows into a self serving monster.

Just give more power to the Parliament and start Pan-European parties. The EU isn't actually undemocratic when you look into it

>Catholicism and Protestantism are not two major religions
please leave this thread and don't come back.

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The further away from the people political decisions are made, the worse.
The US are really the prime example for that.
Washington is its own cosmos that's completely detached from the rest of the country.
Look at Trump. The reason they are so allergic to him is mostly since he doesn't have the pedigree.

The EU is no socialist dictatorship like many righties suggest, but it's far from being decent.

>It works on a small scale your cunt doesnt have 580million people in it.
That's why I scalled up
>How would having only 2 senators be fair?
Portugal would get 2 Senators and a number of seats in the lower house, I fucked that one up in my post, it should read
>lower house according to population count, 1 seat per million.
So portugal would get 2 senators and 10 seats in the lower house and portugal can divide those seats between parties or regions as they see fit themselves.

>>Eu army
I'm talking about a EU Nato with integrated command, we just do not empower it until war. standardized ammunition, equipment and training.

They’re both Christian you fucking autist. Here in the new world both coexist peacefully and we didn’t kill each other en mass because our flavour of Christianity is slightly different. Muslim tier

as a Swede I feel the same way about st*ckholm

I still think there is room for improvement with the current state of the EU. A constitution that puts emphasis on a democratic federation could help with that.

me too

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only shitholes countries like it, ask the same questions in UK, France or Italy

>I'm talking about a EU Nato with integrated command, we just do not empower it until war. standardized ammunition, equipment and training.
The EU is working on that, it's called PESCO

@107357981
>Here in the new world both
What part of "fuck off didn't" you understand the first time? Please spare us your brain diarrhea and bless another thread.

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It might would be wise to build a functioning EU before you give them an army.

It wouldn't be under EU control, just standardized equipment and stuff like that

>Sweden

I love your country. Have been there many times for vacation.
Literally everything is better than here. What exactly is wrong with it?

>under EU control
Honestly I'm neither sure what that really means nor am I sure this is actually a good thing. Not sure anybody would want to go to war for Jean Claude Juncker.

Too much Europoor ideology and not enough trees. See Stockholmers rule the country with an iron fist of bureaucracy.

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is that why you have thousands of migrants in your country?

It's not an army, just a mechanism that encouraged joint development and procurements

Europe needs to loosen its gun control laws especially the UK

>Politicians are all the same

my fucking sides

>is that why you have thousands of migrants
Yes. It's a mix of Europoor idealism that was imported and Stockholm/city dweller bureacracy.

Brits are Europoors.

a union such as the EU only benefits shithole countries who want more gibs, the EEC was as far as the EU should've gone in terms of trade

>european union
>not an american proxy

Politicians are all the same, like whores. You need to constantly control them so they don't abuse their powers and constantly remind them that they work for you. Otherwise they fuck you over in no time.
Same here as there.

This. The EU is a lever for globalist megacorps to bend and create laws in their favour.

>What could go wrong?

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you are so naive, white boy, even a fucking russian mafia guy was astonished about the local politicians, he was flipping out

because the eu is undemocratic and propmotes the interests of richer countries while fucking up the periphery
however imagining an eu-russia federation that outproduces the united states is fun

>ITT people who don't even know what the Century of Humiliation was and what did it "mean".

The Euro was introduced in 1999

that's what the graph says senpai

Oh right
Well then there are no noticeable deviations due to that

Well either your politicians are superhuman monsters like nowhere else, or then Spanish people just don't have historically that much experience with democracy and are not very good at controlling and checking their own politicians.

I don't think you're going to get legitimate success out of the EU. Like American beaurocracy, it seems deliberately engineered to bring together all the profits and labor of disparate people from across thousands of miles and concentrate all that wealth in the hands of the politicians who are supposed to be running the whole thing for the public good, but are actually just out for self-enrichment.

Believe me, we have the same thing over here.

t.Burger

>interests of richer countries
Trust me, the EU doesn't work in my interest either.
Practically anything Internet related (except for GDPR) was fucking retarded.
It's like they didn't ask anyone who has any clue about the topic at any point in the process.
>eu-russia federation
I don't like Russia, but do you really think that's coming after the whole Putin fear-mongering for the last few years?

And are going to what exactly with those guns? Fight the ebil gomment?

nobody gives a shit, whenever a politician is detained people go out to support him

It's actually not that impossible to get a gun in Europe if you aren't an idiot

>Trust me, the EU doesn't work in my interest either.
cmon, is not germany doing good? can't you get a good job easily? now come to Spain and do the same

How would my life get better if the EU was a superstate?

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beats me, the longer it takes the harder it will be to compete with the US, China and maybe India

The Germans would rule upon you and some stuff about Russia China and Trump

Your children won't be cultureless waiters and tour guides for rich Americans and Chinese

>Trust me, the EU doesn't work in my interest either
i said countries not people
german wages have been frozen at the same amount

>cmon, is not germany doing good?
Not really. Public facilities have been closed down one after another over the last few years, city centers are dying, and we are ruled by incapable fucktards.
>can't you get a good job easily?
Sure, but I have a college degree in CS. Where in the world would you have trouble with that?
>now come to Spain and do the same
No, way too hot. I also fucking hate the people going to Mallorca.

Our gun laws really arent that tough. You can basically get any type of gun it just takes some effort.

Only subhuman monkeys (americans) and insectoids (chinese) care about stuff like this