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The saddest story of this century so far, big F if true

Get me some challange, lads.

Dies uezs

Fine.

>Easy
I see a small cat with orange eyes.
My parents do not like me or my sister.
Money does not grow on trees.

>Medium
Come back and clean this mess that you have caused.
I wish I hadn't gone skiing yesterday because now I have the flu and have to stay in bed.
Did you cast a vote in the elections last Sunday?

>Hard
Scientists have made an incredible discovery in the frozen north of Siberia: the head of an Ice Age wolf.
The severed head is incredibly preserved, thanks to Siberia’s permafrost, and still has fur, fangs, and even its brain.
The wolf is thought to have been a full-sized adult that died between 2 and 4 years old.

Bonus points for Vocarooing your translations as well.

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Translation challenge - h-manga quotes edition
>Easy
I want to touch them!
We like you, Onii-san.
You're hard..
It feels kinda good
>Medium
If you make loud sounds like that, the neighbors will hear us, you know?
Is it alright to leave him like that?
I...I'm sorry can't manage to be gentle...!
It's only because I've been working hard on things you've told me about.
>Hard
Didn't I tell you it doesn't matter if you're from Britain or America, since aircraft carriers never lose against battleships?
Taking responsibility after the deed done is awkward but... if you don't object maybe we should... get married.

Feeling sad.

>Leichte
Ich sehe eine kleine Kätze mit orangen Augen.
Meine Eltern nicht magen mir oder meiner Schwester
Das Geld nicht vergrößt sich auf der Wandel
>Medium
Man kehrt zurück und wisch dieses Unordnung das hast du gemacht.
Ich wünsche zum Skifahren nicht gegangen weil Ich nun die Grippe haben und im Bett stehen muss.
Hattest du die Stimme im Wahlsieg der letzte Sonntag abgeben?

Έλα πίσω кαι кαθάρισε αυτή την αкαταστασία που έχεις προкαλέσει.
Εγώ кαι η αδελφή μου δεν τους αρέσουμε τους γονείς μας.
Βλέπω μια μιкρή γάτα με πορτοкαλί μάτια.
Τα χρήματα δε μεγαλώνουν στα δέντρα.
Οι επιστήμονες έχουν кάνει μια απίστευτη αναкάλυψη στην παγωμένη βόρεια Σιβηρία - το кεφάλι ενός λύкου από την Εποχή των Παγετώνων.
Εύχομαι να μην είχα πάει για σкι επειδή τώρα έχω γρίπη кαι πρέπει να μείνω στο кρεβάτι.
Ψήφισες στις εкλογές την προηγουμένη кυριαкή;
Το кομμένο кεφάλι είναι απίστευτη кαλά διατηρημένο λόγω του σιβηριкού πέρμαφροστ кαι έχει αкόμα γούνα, δόντια кαι επίσης το μυαλό του.
Ο λύкος πιστεύεται να ήταν ενήλιкος λύкος στο πλήρους μεγέθους που πέθανε όταν ήταν μεταξύ δύο кαι τεσσάρων χρονών.

Sometimes when I'm bored at work but want to seem busy I'll start playing typeracer and work on my touch typing. I'll type as loud as I can, but ideally I'll bring in a blue-switch mechanical keyboard one day. I switched from QWERTY to Dvorak and though I started at an insufferably slow speed I am now, thanks to much practice (6 months), able to type at 80WPM which is actually faster than my previous speed using QWERTY since I no longer have bad typing habits.

People get upset when they need to use my computer because the letters are in different places. And I pretend like I don't know what they are talking about "See, it works just fine??" haha I can hardly contain myself when I do that to people. Because then I'll make them try again and they still don't understand. Then I swiftly switch the keyboard layout with a keyboard shortcut and say "Are you sure it's not working? Try again" And to their astonishment it works. Best part is I'm the "computer guy" in the office. These guys have no idea that other keyboard layouts even exist, nevermind figuring out how to change it.

Learning a new keyboard layout is a lot like learning a new language.

>Εγώ кαι η αδελφή μου δεν τους αρέσουμε τους γονείς μας.
Στους γονείς μας αρέσουμε εγώ кαι η αδελφή μου.

Going to try and learn the Norn BVLL language.

Based. That's like Norway and Scotland's kid.

Slovakbro!
Almost everything is entirely correct, just a couple of things,
>Το кομμένο кεφάλι είναι απίστευτη кαλά διατηρημένο
Απίστευτη should be απίστευτα
> να ήταν ενήλιкος λύкος στο πλήρους μεγέθου
Ότι seems like it would be more fitting than να, if you recall from ancient Greek, ότι is used for secondary sentences that explain and add details and this stays true in modern Greek. Your version is not entirely wrong though, somebody on the streets might use your version. Also στο doesn't really fit in considering how the rest of the sentence is written, it's just somewhat awkward is and not entirely necessarily. Otherwise, you're doing really well and thank you for learning the worthless version of our language

>if you recall from ancient Greek
Good one, lad χΔ

>Also στο doesn't really fit in
Do I simply remove it?

>the worthless version of our language
At least it's not that hard to get into. Even Καθαρεύουσα has some quirks.

Ευχαριστώ, φιλαράkι.

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Does anybody know whether Duolingo or lingodeer has a better Russian course?
Yeah you can simply remove the στο. Purist Greek is unironically complete cancer that should be erased from history but I want multiple tones back.

I think you'd be better off getting a textbook to learn grammar unless you just want to check what the language is about and don't want to commit to it.

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Fēlēm parvam oculīs aurantiacīs videō.
Parentēs mihi neque mē neque sorōrem meam dīligunt.
Pecūnia in arboribus nōn crēscit.

Redī et tergē hunc squālōrem quem creāvistī.
Utinam ne ?????? (how the fuck do I say to go skiing?) quia nunc aegrōtō et in lectō iacēre dēbeō.
Tulistīne suffrāgium diē Sāturnī?

Physicī aliquid incrēdibile in ōre glaciālī Siberiae invēnērunt: caput lūpī ēx Aetāte Glacialī.
Caput abscīsum incrēdibilē servātum est ob gelū Siberiae permanentem, et etiam vellus, unguēs, cerebrumque habet.
Lupus adultus fuisse putātur, quī inter aetātēs II et IV annōrum mortuus est.

Please correct and redpill me on my mistakes

LIIIIICHT
STRALEN VEGEN DOOR MIJN HOOFD
STOTEN VAN PIJN STEEDS MEER BETROKKEN
SEN ZO RI SCHE RE CE PTOREN BEZWIJKEN
NU BEN IK NIEMAND
ALLEEN MAAR DOODAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANGST

MIJN VUUR RODE VLOEI STOF IS VER WOED GE MOOOOOOORST
DE RO BIJN RO DE LE VENS VOCHT IS ONTKEEETEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEND

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Thanks for your contribution

It does the s sound in places the s wouldn't
Ex: coração
When s is between two vowels, it has the z sound, so ç is an s without the exceptions
You can also think of it as a c but only the exceptions.
C sounds like s when it has i or e in front
Ex: ácido

>Parentēs mihi
Mei parentes sounds better
>creāvistī
creavistis
And i'm not sure about the numbers in the last sentence, but i think it's only gen. pl. when the number is in the thousands, but i might be wrong

You're back!

*ahem*
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Easy
>I see a small cat with orange eyes.
Ich sehe eine kleine Katze mit orangen Augen.
>My parents do not like me or my sister.
Meine Eltern mögen weder mich noch meine Schwester.
>Money does not grow on trees.
Geld wächst nicht auf Bäume.

Medium
>Come back and clean this mess that you have caused.
Komm zurück und säubere dieses Chaos, das du gemacht hast. (This feels kinda wrong somehow...)
>I wish I hadn't gone skiing yesterday because now I have the flu and have to stay in bed.
Ich wünsche, dass ich gestern nicht Ski gefahren wäre, weil ich jetzt die Grippe habe, und in meinem Bett bleiben muss.
>Did you cast a vote in the elections last Sunday?
Hast du letzten Sonntag in der Wahl gewählt?

Hard
>Scientists have made an incredible discovery in the frozen north of Siberia: the head of an Ice Age wolf.
Wissenschaftler haben in der eiskalten Norden Siberiens eine unglaubliche Entdeckung gefunden: der Kopf eines Wolfes aus der Eiszeit.

>Mei parentes sounds better
Shouldn't inalienable possession allow the dative as well?

>creavistis
That's second person plural, not singular. I was using the singular desu lad

>Wissenschaftler haben in der eiskalten Norden Siberiens
actually that ought to be "im eiskalten...", right?

Græte du gull hell' græte du jord, hell' græte du fy' at du skò åt mitt bord?
Græte du åker hell' græte du eng, hell' græte du fy' at du skò åt min seng?
Eg gret inkje åker og eg gret inkje eng, og eg gret inkje fy' at eg skò åt din seng.
Eg gret inkje gull og eg gret inkje jord, og eg gret inkje fy' at eg skò åt ditt bord.

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Did you cry gold 'do you cry earth, do you cry' do you cry at my table?
Do you cry well, you cry, do you cry, do you eat my bed?
I grinned inkje fields and I cried inkje meadow, and I cried inkje fy 'that I should eat your bed.
I grinned inkje gold and I grinned inkje land, and I cried inkje fy 'that I sho ate your table.

It allows it, but i feel like you went out of your way to use the dative even though you didn't have to
And yeah i goofed on the second part, confused the tense with the present for a second

>Geld wächst nicht auf Bäume.
auf Bäumen
>säubere dieses Chaos, das du gemacht hast.
räum dieses Chaos auf, das du verursacht hast - I would say
>weil ich jetzt die Grippe habe, und in meinem Bett bleiben muss.
Grippe habe, without die, im Bett bleiben muss - you could also say das Bett hüten muss
>Hast du letzten Sonntag in der Wahl gewählt?
bei der Wahl
>Wissenschaftler haben in der eiskalten Norden Siberiens eine unglaubliche Entdeckung gefunden: der Kopf eines Wolfes aus der Eiszeit.
im eiskalten.., eine Entdeckung gemacht - deN Kopf.. (here you have to continue using the same case as the word you correlate the second part of the sentence ergo Akkusativ)

*Do you cry gold or do you cry dirt, or do you cry because you will join my table?
Do you cry field or do you cry meadow, or do you cry because you will join my bed?
I don't cry field and I don't cry meadow, and I don't cry because I will join your bed.
I don't cry gold and I don't cry dirt, and I don't cry because I will join your table.

Is language learning usually this hard? I feel like I am not making any progress. I studying an hour a day too little? When I get off holidays I want to study three hours a day. I am struggling with the fourth section of duolingo stories. I feel so frustrated from not knowing things. Do you fellas think I will be able to get Delf a2 in November or is there too little time?

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It is a demanding process if you're not some guru. I'd say an hour a day is plenty, but if you don't feel you're making progress, maybe step back and reconsider how you spend that hour. There are also ways to absorb bits of the language while you're not actively studying. Listening to the radio, switching your browser/OS to the target language, etc. I reckon it adds up.

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vielen dank

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I see thanks lad
Are you the dude from /ex-yu/ who majored in Latin?

Depends. Sometimes I Focus on grammar, mostly do this, and little less on spoken conversation.

I listen to Radio France International and watch TV 5 Monde, at least 30 mins. But a lot of the shows have African presenters. Inb4 I sound like African. I also try to read a news article a day.

No i'm just a random guy with a lot of free time

I watched a show last week we're they showed a German that talked Afrikaans. His accent was really light. Have German speakers ever encountered Afrikaners that spoke German and how good or bad were their accents? German seems easier choice for me than French to some degree, can anyone linguist frens verify this? t. Afrikaans native.

in theory german and afrikaans have mor in common. i personally dont know any afrikaners

hey user, is it

>which country was the first to land a man on the moon?
or
>what country was the first to land a man on the moon?

True, especially the basic stuff. I can understand about 50% of very basic German conversation when I was in Germany.

what's the most /lit/ language to learn?

German
French
Russian
Hungarian

?

Which language should I read to impress Venti?

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I would think French but I'm a little bit of a ouiaboo. Why is Hungarian on your list?

>most /lit/ language
Spanish and then Latin

hallo leaf fren
hoe is het met jou
heb je wat geplanned voor het weekend?

many people are like ''uh oh I can't believe how could I ignore Hungarian literature for so long!'' and I want to solve that mistery

Yorúbà.

Very based nonetheless

I think both work in the case you posted. Which often implies a more narrow choice, like 'Which of the following countries was the first to land a man on the moon: X, Y, Z?' or 'Which one of these puppies do you like better?' What can be used in a more general sense, like 'What do you want for lunch?' or 'What city was Jesus born in?'

Unironically an excellent answer.

>I think both work in the case you posted. Which often implies a more narrow choice, like 'Which of the following countries was the first to land a man on the moon: X, Y, Z?' or 'Which one of these puppies do you like better?' What can be used in a more general sense, like 'What do you want for lunch?' or 'What city was Jesus born in?'
Yeah, that's how I've always seen it, but then again, look at how an American used "which" in here

>studying an hour a day too little?
Yes and no

You could be listening to your TL's radio, audiobooks, podcasts all day long. This is an easy, but often overlooked aspect of language learning. Even if you're not actively listening you're getting exposure which does help your brain put up the patterns and flow of a language. So you'll more quickly be able to turn what sounds like gibberish into separate words. So once you do learn words by reading, and usking anki or whatever, all the sudden it'll make your brain actually listen, instead of disregarding it as gibberish. Listening to a lot of audio will also improve your accent.

That's why I said both work. I don't think using either would be a mistake.

>easy
Jeg ser en litte katt med oransje oyner.
Forelderene mine liker ikke meg eller sosteren min.
Pengen vokser ikker på trær.
>medium
Komer tilbake og renser det soppelet du har årsaket.
Jeg onsker det jeg har ikke skiet i går fordi jeg har influensa og må legger på sengen nå.
Har du stemmet på valg i sondag.

Attic Greek and Classical Latin.
That's what all of the great educated people from the days of the Renaissance till the early 20th century spoke.

Latin, then Koine Greek, then go full nerd and learn Old Sumerian

>A2
>November
Do AFATT and shoot for a C2 in two years.

>Furasta
Feicim cat beag le súile oráiste
Ní maith le mo thuismitheoirí mé nó mo dheirfiúr.
Ní fhásann airgead ar crainn.

>Meán
Fill agus glan an prácás* seo a rinne tú.
Santaim** go ní dheachaigh mé sciáil*** inné mar tá an slaghdán agam anois agas caithfidh mé fanacht i leaba.
An vótálann tú in an toghcháin an Domhnach seo caite?

*Any celts know what "mess" should be? Prácás seems to be more like a disaster than a physical mess, but I can't find anything closer
**Santaigh for wish? Only thing I could find that was a verb not a noun
***ag sciáil? No fucking idea here. No one skiis in Ireland

Latin; Koine, or Attic Greek; Old English

>Old English
Þes cniht is swíðe gestaðelod, frýnd.

>I see a small cat with orange eyes.
我看到一隻橘色眼睛的小貓。
>My parents do not like me or my sister.
我的父母不喜歡我或我的妹妹。
>Money does not grow on trees.
錢不在樹上長。
>Come back and clean this mess that you have caused.
回來打掃你搞的錯誤。
>I wish I hadn't gone skiing yesterday because now I have the flu and have to stay in bed.
我希望我昨天沒有去滑雪因爲我感冒了所以我需要獃床上。
>Did you cast a vote in the elections last Sunday?
習近平萬歲!中國共產黨會永遠保護中國。
>Scientists have made an incredible discovery in the frozen north of Siberia: the head of an Ice Age wolf.
科學家在西伯利亞的北邊發現了很棒的東西;一個冰河期狼的頭。
>The severed head is incredibly preserved, thanks to Siberia’s permafrost, and still has fur, fangs, and even its brain.
因爲西伯利亞的永久凍土,它的頭是很好保存,還有它的毛,牙齒,腦子都有。
>The wolf is thought to have been a full-sized adult that died between 2 and 4 years old.
科學家覺得這是一個成年狼,死了在兩到四歲之間。

>Jeg ser en litte katt med oransje oyner.
Jeg ser en liten katt med oransje öyne.
>Pengen vokser ikker på trær.
Penger vokser ikke på trær.
>Komer tilbake og renser det soppelet du har årsaket.
*Kom, *rens. Also a bit too literal. Söppel is more like 'garbage' and årsaket is very formal. I would say "Kom tilbake og rydd (tidy) rotet (the mess) du har skapt (created)."
>Jeg onsker det jeg har ikke skiet i går fordi jeg har influensa og må legger på sengen nå.
Jeg skulle önske at (I wish (that)) jeg ikke sto på ski igår fordi jeg har influensa og må legge meg (på sengen nå (optional)).

What's the best dialect of Arabic to learn, and why?

>Did you cast a vote in the elections last Sunday?
lol nice

>Har du stemmet på valg i sondag.
Stemmet du i valget på söndag?

Thank you for correcting me, I'll keep this in mind.

:^DD

>

Based

>I see a small cat with orange eyes.
Widzę małego kota z pomarańczowymi oczami.
>My parents do not like me or my sister.
Moi rodzice nie lubią mnie ani mojej siostry.
>Money does not grow on trees.
Pieniądze nie rosną na drzewach.

>Come back and clean this mess that you have caused.
Wróć i posprzątaj ten bałagan, który zrobiłeś.
>I wish I hadn't gone skiing yesterday because now I have the flu and have to stay in bed.
Szkoda, że nie jeździłem na nartach wczoraj dlatego, że teraz mam grypę i muszę leżeć w łóżku.
>Did you cast a vote in the elections last Sunday?
Czy głosowałeś ostatnia niedziela we wyborach?

>säubere dieses Chaos, das du gemacht hast. (This feels kinda wrong somehow...)
should be 'aufräumen' because 'säubern' is usually cleaning away dirt or spillage or something, and 'Chaos' is usually a disarray to be put in order
>Ich *wünschte, dass ich gestern nicht Ski gefahren wäre
you should use subjunctive
can't be used in present tense for something past anyway, and in that you would rather say 'Ich wünsche mir'
>Hast du letzten Sonntag *bei der Wahl gewählt?
this is fine, but if you want to avoid the repetition:
Hast du letzten Sonntag an der Wahl teilgenommen? Hast du letzten Sonntag bei der Wahl deine Stimme abgegeben?
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>weil ich jetzt die Grippe habe, und in meinem Bett bleiben muss.
>Grippe habe, without die, im Bett bleiben muss
you can add the article here, then it's more like the illness as a concept instead of an instance I'd say
'in meinem Bett' is also okay

Is that Esperanto user still around? I'm curious why somebody would be interested in that language.

How do you write mexico in chinese and what does it mean ?

Yep I'm here. I know it's a meme language and has little applicability, but I think it'd be a fun side project since it's so easy to learn and can apparently help with learning other languages.

Japanese is harder than Chinese?

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>ñ

It's a language isolate

what do you mean by chinese
as far as I know there's cantonese and mandarin and both write the same but pronounce it differently

Japanese writing is just Chinese writing made unnecessarily more complicated just to fuck with foreigners and keep them from learning their language

What makes Hebrew easier than Arabic?

>english speaker becoming proficient in portuguese studying 24 weeks

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well on the map i found on the OP link
>"Read this shit some damn time:
4chanint.fandom.com/wiki/The_Official_Jow Forums_How_to_Learn_A_Foreign_Language_Guide_Wiki"
china as a whole seems to be considered category V ( i guess it includes all the languages and dialects of the country maybe?)

wait Jap writing is harder than chinese? I tried learning jap in my weeb days and I thought it was moronically complicated but I assumed the complication was of chinese origin since I've seen a lot of people complaining about Hanja when learning korean

well I've been engulfed in this language for 26 years and I must say, I have no idea what a proparoxitona is nor what the rules for acentuation(? acentuação é acentuation em ingles?) are... but then again if they consider "proficient" being the same lvl as Glenn Greenwald maybe its more believable...

It IS Chinese, but then with a million more layers added on top of it.
Like three different writing systems because reasons
When do you use which? Only true nips feel it in their hearts

>When do you use which? Only true nips feel it in their hearts
I guess that makes sense, these people made a fucking little drawing(kanji) for every goddamn word they could think of... I mean is to hard to make a goddamn alphabet and stick to it? even that Hangul thing seems better than what japan has going on

Well, if that's what they're considering. Then ok
But I always imaginated that german was easier for them, why it's on level 3?

I've never studied Korean in any serious matter, but Hangul seems shockingly logical. They may have actually invented the world's best writing system.

yeah apparently some emperor dude created it to make it easier for peasants to learn how to read and write, that's pretty cool of an emperor if you ask me

not having a million different wildly different dialects

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