Why is German culture so irrelevant? No one in the world learns German unless he needs it at work...

German literature is universally known. Just not the one from this century.

Because Germany doesn't exist anymore and creating culture is unprofitable for the FR"G" Ltd.

Wim Wenders made some good films

That's the thing. MODERN French or Spanish culture are far more popular worldwide, not only in francophone or hispanophone countries.

The problem is the language, its not for all, but everyone wants german cars, german desing, german standars

Modern german cultural output is limited to central europe and the balkans. To a far lesser extent to russia aswell. But outside of that no one knows anything about modern german culture etc. I think the problem is that we never managed to hold onto any colonies abroad so we never got shitskins to adopt our language and make it relevant by making awful music with it like the spaniards did with latin america

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This,pooland a shit.

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>MODERN French or Spanish culture are far more popular worldwide
Really, what famous modern spanish author can you name on the top of your head, that you would expect other people to know about?

Encore un alsachien qui lèche le cul des boches.

Alarm für Cobra 11 is the most culturally relevant european show of all time

Beurette, les alsaciens sont des boches.

The same could be said about Japan yet Japanese culture is known and popular worldwide.

Economic power of Germany is pretty much equal to Japanese but cultural impact on the world is much much smaller.

lel

Nah, it was Kommissar Rex and it was made in Austria.

Picasso

Picasso was a lot but he sure as hell was neither a author nor a currently living person.

Pikaßo was german though

>reads German books
Goethe and Kafka are among our own school lectures. Now count how many Polish books are among German school lectures.
Also in terms of culture in general, Germs pretty much own classical music.

That was 200 years ago

I'm Bavaryan.

>Now count how many Polish books are among German school lectures

Recommend me some good books by Polish authors, preferrably classics, I'm not really excited about modern literature.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Promised_Land_(novel)

that's my favourite

>Economic power of Germany is pretty much equal to Japanese

Japan's GDP is significantly higher.

Thanks, gonna look it up on Amazon.

not as much as their cultural output and relevance is

Almost all of Kafkas works were published and written in the 20th century.

And I still ask how many famous spanish or french artists you know?

The reality is that almost all countries cultural output is extremly limited in reach with a very few notable exceptions (the english speaking world and Japan).
We're actually doing comparatively well by just having a few relatively successfull and famous artists known in europe.

K.

subhuman and no culture country

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Any polish film recommendations?

>Also in terms of culture in general, Germs pretty much own classical music.
along with Russians
German and Russian composers were the best

nothing happens here ever

Fun fact: Mozart was German, not Austrian.

nytimes.com/1992/01/11/opinion/l-letter-on-mozart-a-german-not-austrian-composer-878092.html

Kafka had nothing to do with Germany. He was an Austrian Jew from Czechia.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Promised_Land_(1975_film)

This masterpiece worth more culturally than all marvel shit combined. youtube.com/watch?v=DxvYqhdZ4Wg

>no one watches German movies,
Das Boot and Good Bye Lenin are pretty well known internationally for a small language area like ours.

>reads German books,
Tons of german authors are internationally famous, Mann, Goethe, Grass etc.
>no one knows German stars
Heidi Klum, Rammstein
>and German traditional customs
Oktoberfest, Stollen etc.

>Kafka had nothing to do with Germany.
And I never said he did.
But you said "that was 200 years ago".

he never identified with his jewish heritage, he had a german name and wrote in german

>This masterpiece worth more culturally than all marvel shit combined.
This is not an achievement

>theme song imidiately started playing in my head
ah, childhood

>he never identified with his jewish heritage

do you think it would be enough to call him German for a man with a funny moustache?

I never watched Kommisar Rex, it looks dated.

If you're looking for a good Austrian show, I recommend Braunschlag. It was fantastic.

most irrelevant after polish

Whereas Polish culture is world renowned and Poland is admired all over the world as a dream country.

>i suffer in germany
cmon bruh

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Mann is so based. And, again, Wenders is probably your best filmmaker. I always forget that Germany actually produced some awesome stuff.
Thanks
He actually did identify with it at certain points in his life, but yeah, ultimately a self-loathing Jew. But kafka is one of those authors that can’t be pinned to a nationality, he escapes ownership. Kind of like Nabokov

>if I discuss German culture it means I must compare it to my own

5-year-old-child-tier arguments

It's barely 900billion higher and their pop. is larger by 50%

Idk about other places, but in Latin America Germany is admired for their diligent work culture and perceived discipline. Germany is also associated with precision engineering and high quality exports. But Poland? They wouldn’t even know it’s a real country if it weren’t for Pope John Paul II (R.I.P.)
That’s it, a dead pope is all your average person in Latin America knows about Poland.

>no one ... reads German books
well say goodbye to world's best literature and philosophy then.

>Mann is so based

Mann and Hesse are the only German authors I like.

Sure, he was german just "entartet".

Kafka himself though never identified with the german community in Prague.

beste leben

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German design thinking literally pervades most modern thought, not really sure what you’re on about.

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I liked Babylon Berlin a lot

Other than fixing toilets and stealing cars and providing prostitutes what does Poland even do today on the world stage?

>barely 900billion
>barely

I cringed.

>no one watches German movies
I have been asking german posters here about german films/tv shows but majority of times they tell me they are utter shit or just copy/paste of what is made here in the usa.

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>Germany is admired for their diligent work culture and perceived discipline. Germany is also associated with precision engineering and high quality exports.

It has nothing to do with their culture, that's just economy.

Buy our stuff and make good video games.

>Sure, he was german just "entartet".

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottla_Kafka

>Like many other Jews from Prague, Ottla and her sisters were deported during World War II by the Nazis. Elli and Valli were sent with their families to the Łódź Ghetto, where they perished. Ottla was sent to the concentration camp at Theresienstadt. On 5 October 1943, Ottla accompanied a group of children as a voluntary assistant. When the transport reached Auschwitz concentration camp two days later, all were murdered

you think the Nazis had any idea about what is german and what isn't? Killing germanized jews was not only a crime against humanity, but a crime against germans.
And yes, Kafka would have been killed, his 3 sisters died in the holocaust.

Is stealing cars part of Polish culture or is it just their economy?

Diligent work culture and discipline are seen as German characteristics. It’s not just about economy. If it were, Americans would be seen as disciplined too because they have a bigger economy, but they’re not. If anything they’re seen as dumb and lazy in general.

What else would you call it when it's gwtting increasingly smaller while, again, their population is largwr by 50%? They'd have to be at 6trillion at least for it to be proportionate to us

Because the famous/internationally recognized german movies aren't the kind people that visit a mongolian tapestry stitching forum would care about.
Just because they are successful german movies doesn't mean we have to like them.

None of them are good. The only German movie I ever enjoyed was Rossini. It was co-authored by the guy who wrote "The Perfume".

not him but considering their higher population it's not so much.

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Yes? You're just proving my point.
What, did you think only non-germans got shipped off into the concentration camps? Where do you think all the socialists and homosexuals got send?

This. Specially in Mexico because of the Volkswagen factory in Puebla. VWs are the quintessential “Mexican” car in the country because they’re produced domestically. They’re reliable as hell too, so it helps with the “German engineering” image.

Germans make good children stories though. Practically everyone knows Snow White, Hansel and Gretel, etc

>the Nazis had any idea about what is german and what isn't?

Of course they had their own idea. That's something they strictly followed during their rule.

>Killing germanized jews was not only a crime against humanity, but a crime against germans.

And according to the nazis themselves and their voters (most of German citizens) it wasn't.

economy obviously, as Poles are getting richer the number of car thefts gradually decreases

but homosexuals or socialists were killed for being homosexual or socialist, while Kafka's family was killed for being Jewish, no matter what they considered themselves to be

>but homosexuals or socialists were killed for being homosexual or socialist, while Kafka's family was killed for being Jewish, no matter what they considered themselves to be

That still doesn't prove that they weren't german.
I think you fundamentally misunderstand how NS racial hygiene worked.
More importantly I fail to see how what the Nazis thought has anything to do with how german someone was or wasn't.

personal traits are not 'culture' in this sense

I meant things like books and movies, not stereotypes about the people

>and their voters (most of German citizens)
in the last somewhat democratic election NSDAP got 44%, and their political opponents were already persecuted by then.

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Oh OK. In that case, no, most people in Latin America do not consume German culture (Besides the descendants of Germans in Latin America). At least nothing I can think of off the top of my head.

>That still doesn't prove that they weren't german.

only in your opinion, nazis and most (or at least a very big number) of Germans in the 1930s had a different opinion

german movies are good, mostly about cold war and nazis

Not to mention a huge number of their voters (including a lot of jewish germans) didn't think they were serious about the race stuff.

>he thinks the general german population wanted the holocaust
no. You'd know better if you actually knew germans who lived then. Denying the holocaust is a crime here because it was quite common to do it. I personally knew one man who denied it as long as he lived.
Germans aren't barbarians you know. No group of people is

>didn't think they were serious about the race stuff.

>we will kill all Jews
>haha good joke m8, you got my vote bro

>nazis and most (or at least a very big number) of Germans in the 1930s had a different opinion
Okay, and lots of germans before and after had my opinion.
Turns out the Nazis believing something doesn't make it fact.

>no one watches German movies, reads German books, no one knows German stars
Then every country except USA is irrelevant.

>>we will kill all Jews
they didn't say this.

"Fuck the jews" was hardly a novel concept in europe at the time.
Ghettos and anti-jewish riots happened plenty in interbellum poland too, inc ase you need a local variety for context.

but Ümüt, everyone watches turkish dramas

you must be mistaken, Pikaaso was a dutch plumper.

what is the American equivalent of Die Welle, Der Untergang, Good Bye Lenin or The Lives of Others?

the general German population wanted Jews to 'disappear' from Germany

they might have not supported mass murders, but 'relocation' of Jews somewhere outside Germany, that was actually the very first nazi concept of the 'final solution', was generally endorsed