Can /ex-yugos/ explain to me why yugoslavia torn itself apart and who is mostly to balme for it?

lol that doesn't matter at all, every ethnicity here can be either finnish tier or greek tier
bosniaks are actually less mixed than serbs and croatians even less

I remember her last name was something itch , everytime i ask just tells is yugoslavian

every ethnicity has surnames that end on ić
if it's just ić without ović or ević it's probably croatian

Pic related: peak Yugoslavia

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globalresearch.ca/milosevic-test-your-media/2110

South Slavic unitarism emerges among Renaissance Croats as an idea of Slavs banding together against Venetians, Turks and the likes. It was resurrected in the 19th century under the name of Illyrianism as a movement supporting South Slavic unity so it would be easier to counter German and Magyar interests in the Habsburg Monarchy. Austro-Slavism had the idea of Habsburg Slovenes, Croats and Serbs banding together to gain power within AH, while Yugoslavism had the idea of a new South Slavic only state.

However, post WWI Serbia was a pretty traditional monarchy and Serbian nationalism was imperialistic in nature and primarily interested in Serbian interests and the expansion of Serbia. To the Serbs, the idea of Yugoslavia was a platform from which they would expand their own power. To the Croats, the idea of Yugoslavia was to have a crutch in establishing their own statehood following the collapse of Austria-Hungary. Croats wanted a federation with democratic interests, but Serbs refused to negotiate and essentially they forced Croats into a new monarchical absolutist Yugoslavia by occupying Croatia while Italians began occuping the coast, knowing that Croats alone won't be able to gain international legimitacy. There was also a degree of mutual resentment due to being on opposing sides in WWI.

So these tension and differing opinions of what Yugoslavia should be like are the root of the issue, which resulted in the creation of Ustashe, a paramilitary terrorist Croat group that wanted to dismantle Yugoslavia. Ustashe were eventually sponsored by Italians who hooked them up to fascism. Then you had the mass mutual slaughter in WWII, which also had anti-Croat Chetnik massacres. New Yugoslavia, although seemingly peaceful, still had tons of tensions due to all this, it's just that the secret police, UDBA, would come knocking at your door if you spoke too loudly about independence and hating Serbs.

Socialist Yugoslavia was further fucked by a collapsing economy, by Milošević figuring out a glitch in the political system that gave him control over republic voting blocks, increase of Serbian nationalism regarding "ancient Serbian lands", increase of Croatian nationalism regarding either independence or a move away from centralised federation towards a more confederate-like looser federation.

The mostly Serbian dominated military and federal political elite thought that centralisation would fix everything. Slovenes and Croats wanted democratisation and market liberalisation. Upon realising that the federation will get fucked, Serbs wanted to grab as much as Serb-populated areas of Croatia and Bosnia regardless of what the republic borders. There you have war.

This, I think, is the key starting point:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-bureaucratic_revolution

Ww2 killings were the cause. We hardly forget and forgive.

>Serbian version
USA and Albanians

>Everyone else
Serbs

>Then you had the mass mutual slaughter in WWII, which also had anti-Croat Chetnik massacres
your typical croatian narrative of equating ustashas and chetniks won't pass here, nobody is that naive

Very interesting read ,why didnt the UBDA pat a visit to the likes of Milošević andhis equivalents in the other republics

also i ask you to name one concentration camp held by chetniks and a number of massacred croat civillians by chetniks who also had dalmatian croats among them

because that's not how and why it happened, he's just copying this pasta with a purpose to spread lies, probably written by himself

Then tell me your take on what happend?

The Ustascha is just a branch of nazi ideology tho, it only came to because of that circumstance. Your chetniks, on the other hand, are homegrown.

hrcak.srce.hr/file/151801

>For according to Žerjavić, during the Second World War
Croatia lost approximately 295,000 persons, of whom 137,000 Serbs and
118,000 Croats. Bosnia-Herzegovina lost approximately 328,000 persons, of
whom 170,000 were Serbs, 78,000 were Muslims and 66,000 were Croats.

>Th e Territorial Commission for the Investigation of Crimes of the Occupiers and Th eir Collaborators registered 1,729 civilians in 1945 whose deaths in
Croatia’s territory were caused by the Chetniks/JVuO

>if it's just ić
>it's probably croatian
So most serbians are actually in turn croatians?

serbs are a mix of different ethnicities, so yes

The balkan region itself is a hotbed for mixed ethnicities. The notion that croats are somehow impervious to this doesn't seem to be the case. Most serbs are not low key croats. That legit makes no sense lmao

serbia had 2 great repopulation periods, 1st one was in the 10th century and most people were settled from croatia and bulgaria, this was ofc dictated by the byzantines since serbian population dropped heavily due to wars and starvation
>The balkan region itself is a hotbed for mixed ethnicities
of course, but serbia has almost no native population left that was originally supposedly settled by serbs in the 7th century

>1729 civillians killed by chethniks is the same as death camp jasenovac with the outcome of the hundreds of thousands dead people
right

where are the bodies?

too long to write, maybe someone else who has enough nerves to consume will

cemented in pits

>cemented in pits
sure

Interesting how serbs wanted muh greater Serbia yet allowed themselves to be ruled by one of the greatest anti-serbs of the 20th century

all those dead people didn't wanish out of sudden

this is the most retarded thing i've read so far here, congrats

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my own uncle recalls being a kid and seeing the coast of the Sava blackened by decaying rotting Serb corpses. A cursory search will yield pictures of it. I'm not into "muh tragedy" or the 700,000 figure but flat out denial of it is Japan-tier delusion

Which are you?

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That seems like a really trivial marking. If you want to go back far enough in history, the balkans had celts, italics and other Indo-Europeans mixing with neolithic populations to form the Glasinac culture. And the languages come from slav transplants originating in Eastern Europe. In 5000 years of human history in the balkans, why does the group who mixed in 900 AD get more precedence than the one who mixed in 900 BC?

Doesn't it just seem more likely that hilly/mountainous terrain allows for very shielded and diverse communities, but also one that absorbs large populations from flatter areas? That seems to be the pattern with the balkans throughout all of human history.

It was primarily on Serbian communists who became too greedy and didn't want to accept any compromises that would change Yugoslavia's political and economic system