Has there been a greater fall from grace...

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>Has there been a greater fall from grace? How do you go from being one of the most advanced places on Earth to what they are now?
How come every person that says this shit ignores the gulf countries? those people are literally born rich and have basically the best everything.

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best of the ottomans were form balkans

Greece

we're still one of the most advanced places on earth you dummy, your CPU was probably designed here and we crashed a spaceship into the moon (im pretty sure every country's first lander crashed)
we're pretty bleeding edge in many tech sectors.

Those countries live off foreign dollars their native money is.worth a donkey and a sheep

Wasn't your country made up by Americans 60 years ago?

Best of the Abbasids weren't and they were much more advanced from a scientific discovery standpoint

between 4000BCE and around 1100CE

T. Welfare scientist n shieet

>Those countries live off foreign dollars their native money is.worth a donkey and a sheep
That's not how it works you dumb redneck, I knew I shouldn't waste my breath on an american flag.

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You can say that about pretty much every developed country.

>4000bce
What did they have of science and technology advances over neighbors?

no, it was invented by a serb in 1896
you w0t m8

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Jews are a different race from MENAs

Gulf countries are also governed by Islamic law, have non-democratic governments and cultures which have yet to leave the deserts from which they so recently emerged.

when the oil runs out they will still have low IQs and expensive tastes but won't have the money to buy what they used to
all the wealthy foreigners who live there will just hop ship to the next trendy city for wealthy foreigners (probably somewhere in china by then) and the natives will be left to pick up the pieces
it's a timebomb

yeah, it was persians this time

MENA isnt a race its a geographical region
nah you cant, how many canadian spaceships got to the moon ? all im saying is OPs 'fall from grace' statement is retarded, we're pretty great and only getting better.

wheels, writing, irrigation systems

You don't count, Mosche. Juden are alien to that part of the world.

Didn't China and India have that as well?

What is alien of Jews to middle East?
They just have a tiny amount of white blood
You couldn't tell apart an Arab and a Jew

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>Gulf countries are also governed by Islamic law, have non-democratic governments and cultures which have yet to leave the deserts from which they so recently emerged.
They are free to dictate how they want to run their country, just because they don't follow YOUR example of a perfect governmental system doesn't mean that it's bad, and so far it seems to be working pretty damn well, unlike yours.
>when the oil runs out they will still have low IQs and expensive tastes but won't have the money to buy what they used to
Dumb excuse by uneducated people, I can name other countries that have large quantitys of oil or other resources but are still shitholes, having oil alone isn't a guarantee to success it's how you use it and how you use the money you get out of it.

Not back then. China obtained wheels around 2000 years later.

As fighting continues in the Middle East, a new genetic study shows that many Arabs and Jews are closely related. More than 70% of Jewish men and half of the Arab men whose DNA was studied inherited their Y chromosomes from the same paternal ancestors who lived in the region within the last few thousand years.

>lived there for 3500+ years
>alien
are you retarded ?

That's true. Aside from cherry-picked images of IDF girls Israelis do look like Arabs.

Working pretty damn well if you only consider the lives of local Arabs and affluent, Western expatriates. Perhaps you should gauge the well-being of individuals imported for domestic work and physical labor, thousands of whom have died just in preparation for the upcoming World Cup.

Having "nice things" and a social welfare net for one's own citizens doesn't demarcate just governance, even when such governance is in accordance with religious principle.

>thousands of whom have died just in preparation for the upcoming World Cup.
Ahahahaa holy shit, REMEMBER THE 6 GORILLION WORKERS THAT DIE FOR THE WORLD CUP!! do you honestly believe this shit? and yes there are cases of unfair treatment to workers but guess what, this is universal and I can cite sources for ANY other country that has had a worker get mistreated, but what you don't realize is that saudi arabia is a country like any other but retards like you seem to have some sort of prejudice towards them and like to blame the entire country for anything that goes wrong. There's no perfect country with 0% issues, look at america and their police/gun violence for example.

Stop trying to criticize countries by comparing them to some fictional perfect place in an attempt to sound smart because those don't exist.

>workers die in every country!
>conveniently ignores that rate at which workers die as well as the lack of protections set and enforced by certain host nations

Except that they actually introduced new laws and reforms to address this issue quite recently (2015). and I don't know whatever rates you're talking about but there's no way the retarded numbers you're mentioning are real, they can't just have THOUSANDS die and go unheard of, so I'm gonna have to ask you to cite an actual source for your claims.

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No we're not. In fact our closest relatives are Palestinians

>Estimates
Lol...
I'll agree that qatar's case is bad when it comes to treating foreign workers especially indians but no they don't kill thousands of them.

The estimates are actually higher than what's contained in the report.

But yes, user: shiny skyscraper = good country.

>Gulf Arabs
>ever doing anything of note

It is a good country whether we like it or not, its mistreatment to foreign workers does not negate every other positive thing about it. Also they are estimating that thousands WILL die but that has yet to happen and I very much doubt that it will, especially since they would make sure it won't simply to avoid scandals/political problems for the world cup.

The highest cited physics paper of the 21st century is from a gulfie

Ottomans werent interested in the new world.
Things are changing tho, were back bitches

No theyre not
The conflict is about them having an ethno state not about whether or not theyre indigenous (which they are)