Predatory Capitalism

>planning on opening a service based business
>somebody calls me a "predatory capitalist" becasue i wasn't planning on paying an employee every dollar of value they bring to the buisness
>apparently profits are theft
>apparently i'm what's wrong with America and this guy wishes he had enough money to move to cuba
>he literally doesn't have $300 in his bank account in one of the richest nations on earth and thinks he'll be successful in fucking Cuba

Can somebody explain Predatory Capitalism? it's like, i pay for the equipment, the rent, the deposit, the insurance is in my name, i built the business and am taking the risks. Are new employees going to pay me half the deposit for the office space? What is my motivation for ever employing anyone if it benefits me in absolutely no way?

I might as well stay as a small one man business, which would not only prevent me from making more money, but would then leave the potential employee with less opportunity.

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>expecting retard commie lefty fags with no business experience, financial knowledge or common sense to understand these things
>expecting the state to either

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>He uses facebook

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He is just some commie that can be safely ignored.

You spelled it out yourself man. These people never think about what actually goes into starting a business. It takes high intelligence, good work ethic, planning, and a lot of risk. Many businesses fail and go bankrupt, that's all you need to say. He has a point but it just comes down to what I said, you put all that effort in and reap your rewards. Sometimes I definitely do feel like middle management is fucking retarded and I could do their jobs, and I don't need them, would be better off working like I do instead of just managing people..

But one thing that is invaluable is having that job day in and day out through thick and thin. Security and you don't have to run the business which is a huge weight, if the business goes out you just get a new job.

No you don't understand you should take all the risks but your employees should reap all the benefits while you sit there barely breaking even so that he can go to Starbucks and leave once he finds a job that pays 10 cents more per hour without even giving you two weeks notice.

To be fair, if you find a good employee that brings a lot of value and all that shit, basically someone that's actually hard to replace, it's in your best interest to keep him around and motivated or he may think about going somewhere else if you're paying everybody as little as possible. If people believe they can be rewarded for putting extra effort shit may work better as long as it doesn't turn into a den of passive aggresive vipers.

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>arguing with employees or ex-employees
>being friends with your employees on facebook
>having any form of social media as an employer

what the fuck OP. Where is your professionalism.
a) You shouldnt even be talking to this faggot. Only reply to him if he emails your secretary or someone in admin. Your secretary passes the message onto you and you tell her, to send him an email back and that he can have a meeting with you discussing what his issues are. Then you say "Okay, thanks for voicing your concerns, how do you think we could improve on this". After he replies you can BTFO him but politely ofc and explain how a business cant run like how he is explaining. When he escelates it, say, "if you are really that unhappy, you can leave". End of meeting.
b) Your employees shouldnt even know or have access to your social media
c) You shouldnt have social media in the first place as an employer.

not my employee, and i'm making connections with other people who run similar businesses

>takes all the risks
>literally a limited liability company you can wind up and walk away from creditors at any moment

Brainlet

>small business
>walk away from creditors

>service based company
>probably has hardly any assets on the balance sheet
>thinking creditors can do anything if brainlet op decides to wind up

or

>business fails
>out of money to keep it going
>nothing of vales to liquidate
>lose everything
>broke

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This.
OP why the fuck are you here? You jnew goddamn well what our opinion was going to be about this.

it was so retarded i have trouble processing it

Youre a piece of shit heartless leach OP.
You only want to fleece the fluff off those lower than you because that's what has been done to you.
You were raised in a system and are not man enough to find a new paradigm that is more productive than the one you were born into.
You've accepted the nature of the reality given to you.
You are not much more than an animal or a slave.
In this way, your greatest aspiration in life is to leave the fields and become a house nigger.
It would be more honorable for you to at least shake the columns of the temple and be a force of creative destruction.
There is no man who is more imprisoned than the one who can't even see the bars of their own cage.

Once you shake the scales from your eyes, and ask yourself some seriously difficult questions, will you begin to be a man, forging your own paradigms and creating the world in your image.

Witness here a leftist prattle on with his meaningless fluff words and manage to say nothing and not address a single factual point made.

How typical.

>he doesn't believe in the tenants of vulture capitalism
>he must be a leftist
yeah try again retard

>meaningless fluff
>if i say it's meaningless it must be so
nice refutation faggot

>not address a single factual point
>which is about as good as I can manage
try again poofter

Capitalism is a process that turns everything into a form of capital. If that's what you want for your life, so be it, but you've been duped.

if i expand

and i employ a person for $2500 a month
and he makes me $5000 a month
then i'm better off
and they are better off
and my customers are better off
and i can spend more into expanding more

What did you address about overhead, risk taking or running a business? Nothing. You accused someone of wanting to start a business and run it of wanting to "fleece" the little man. You're the typical little Marxist flea hiding behind your little fluff words to try and mask the lack of substance.

your fucking retarded. this is the problem with you commies. you think people just start businesses so that they can exploit employees and spite them. you think everyone is against you; theyre not.

businesses exist to provide a service to society. if it is a good service, then society will pay for the business and the creator of the service/business gets to take the profits.
in turn, he pays for the inventory, tax to the state for public goods like roads, hospitals etc., and his employees.
the business owner can now expand with said profits so that the service can be provided to even more people and benefit society further. the employees that receives the wages, can then spend their money on other services in the economy and help support other businesses.

nobody is """exploiting"""" you and if they are, you can just quit and work somewhere else, then the business that does the exploiting will fail. if the employee is still working for that wage, then it means he is worth that wage...

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typical capitalist mindset, endless expansion, no matter the costs.
more typical yet, you'll only discover that costs after they've been paid and they'll be worse than expected.

better question, why is your value added in this situation worth twice what your laborer's is?
If an imbalance of information and power wasn't fundamental to capitalism, you'd practice transparency with your employee and likely start a co-op.

y'all capitalists think you're so smart for being able to play the game, but you don't know the rules of the game you're playing. This is the darkest trick of Capitalism as memetic virus.

your own diatribe is full of exotic words you want to throw around.
You are demanding I play on the terms of someone stuck with in the paradigm you choose to stay in. What is the value of discussing overhead or risk taking or running a business when the vitality of humanity is at risk? You will throw out the term "marxist flea" with out providing any critique on what marx actually wrote and said.

If you think it's so important to address the specifics of an economic system, please let me know what marx said, and what's so wrong about.

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you are free to not work for me, or to start your own buisness

A Co-Op would involve them putting in the investment as well, but if it's all my money invested why should i share my investment with them?

>pic related

That's your argument? Holy shit that's about right, that's about the depth I expected from you. Dumbshit.

Let's just ignore your precious communism has had those incidents in your pics except multiplied by about a million or 10.

>pinochet killed between 400 and 3000 people
woah how awful!

I went to Cambodia last month, Communists killed 40% of their population

>the capitalism is a benevolent benefactor trope
there is nothing within the structure of capitalism that intrinsically guides business towards products and services that are beneficial to society as a whole.

in fact, it tends to encourage behavior that is exploitative and damaging.

you've fallen for the egoism meme.


I'd really appreciate it if you goons would take a minute and learn about all the systems of economic of organizations, instead of insisting that I'm a communist.

there you go again, stuck within the frame set of your upbringing.
Considering your monetary investment to be the end all be all. Ignoring other folks time, effort, and intellectual capabilities, and their respective "investments."
Capitalism depends on return on investments until everything is consumed. You only want to play the game because you realize you will soon be consumed. Kick the can down the road.

If you changed your perspective, you'd instead consider if your monetary payment is worth the privilege of being a manager. Do you really want to be a manager or do you want to extract the value of your employees for yourself?

he just described what his value add is, by organizing and running this whole thing, he's providing people with jobs you fucking brainlet so they can in turn spend their money how they like... they can even start a business of their own if they're fed up being an employee.

what is wrong with expanding his business and employing more people if there are customers (=people with needs) paying for his products/services (=satisfying people's needs)

fucking brainlet.

and no, we don't need to argue with what marx said in theory, we're talking real world fucking experience, something you dumb shit commies have almost none of.

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>when you spend years sacrificing and working really really hard and commies expect you to give them free shit instead of providing for your own family

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>and no, we don't need to argue with what marx said in theory, we're talking real world fucking experience, something you dumb shit commies have almost none of.

wow, the useful idiot strikes again.
Willfully maintaining ignorance to vehemently believe in a system that will have no loyalty to you. Insisting the caricature that communism is the only other option besides capitalism

how's it feel being a pawn shilling for those above you?

when has communism ever had loyalty to people and not to an elite?

do you seriously think if you just throw money at people they'll magically do what they're supposed to do, get equipment, learn how to use it on their own, produce valuable goods and services?

that your average worker is capable of anything but following instructions? (and not even that)

then why the fuck do we have to be REALLY SPECIFIC with everything we tell these low iq niggers who will eventually mess something up anyway?

when was the last time you worked on something with a group of people and they decided to contribute more than the bare minimum of what's necessary? or went out of their way to solve an issue on their own and actually succeeded?

HOW THE FUCK would these people run a functioning society if they can't even run their own lives and finances?

you're delusional, spitting academic bullshit with 0 experience of working with people

and again, you're not saying anything even remotely practical just clinging to your ideology like it's the only thing you know, because it is.

OP needs validation, which I sort of get because these leftists are all over the place and even the most based of us need a safe space once in a while. That said, OP is also a faggot for even entertaining this commie fuck and then coming over here to cry about getting bullied.

the capitalist system doesn't need loyalty to me, but it allows me to be loyal to myself and my own family.

communism on the other hand needs 100% loyalty to it and from it. or else people get gulaged. all it takes is a single disloyal elite and the whole system collapses.

> if it is a good service, then society will pay for the business
This is a bit too far for me. It costs you the same to sell product A or product B, but product A causes addiction so... basically because something generates profit doesn't mean that it has to be doing society a good. But of course this doesn't mean that finding profits is immoral.

> The lumpenproletariat, this scum of the depraved elements of all classes, which established headquarters in the big cities, is the worst of all possible allies. This rabble is absolutely venal and absolutely brazen. If the French workers, in every revolution, inscribed on the houses: Mort aux voleurs! Death to thieves! and even shot some, they did it, not out of enthusiasm for property, but because they rightly considered it necessary above all to keep that gang at a distance,, Every leader of the workers who uses these scoundrels as guards or relies on them for support proves himself by this action alone a traitor to the movement

> On the pretext of founding a benevolent society, the lumpen proletariat of Paris had been organized into secret sections, each section led by Bonapartist agents, with a Bonapartist general at the head of the whole. Alongside decayed roués with dubious means of subsistence and of dubious origin, alongside ruined and adventurous offshoots of the bourgeoisie, were vagabonds, discharged soldiers, discharged jailbirds, escaped galley slaves, swindlers, mountebanks, lazzaroni, pickpockets, tricksters, gamblers, maquereaux, brothel keepers, porters, literati, organ grinders, ragpickers, knife grinders, tinkers, beggars — in short, the whole indefinite, disintegrated mass, thrown hither and thither, which the French call la bohème; from this kindred element Bonaparte formed the core of the Society of December 10.

That's Marx. And I don't think current mainstream marxists see them as anything but allies, unironically interested on if I'm misunderstanding this.

did I say anything like that?
I can say the fundamental problem with starting a communist society is when the elite are expected to step down from power after establishing the communist system.

There you go again, stuck within your own paradigm.
"People only work for money"
"If we don't give them money, people won't work"
yeah, that's logically sound, if you're narrowminded enough to accept the premise.
Youre in admittedly making the argument against your own position. Capitalism reduces everything down to bean counting. If someone is not good at bean counting, they are fodder for capitalism. At the end of the day, the only one's thriving under capitalism are the bean counters. If you don't see a problem with this, god bless you.

>communists in action

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Communists don't work for money

they work becasue if they don't they get thrown into a gulag

that's not even what I said. I said just throwing money at people doesn't make shit happen. you need someone to organize the whole shitfest, you need to keep people motivated, you need someone in command to respond to emergencies or unusual situations.

and btw, money is just a currency that people get for their time and effort that they can trade for things they enjoy in return for their time and effort.

you can replace it with anything, the same mechanism will still exist just like they always did ever since society exists.

yeah, and capitalism doesn't have their own gulags.
Let's just pretend America's prison strikes aren't happening right now as we speak.

>Can you imagine being this cucked by the american education system? It's like he's been fed liquid cold war propoganda since birth.

What have you done in your life?

Years of experience, projects completed, insignificant/significant changes to society you've pushed through?

I'm not even American, just a small biz owner in EU speaking from actual experience, which you obviously lack since you still haven't said anything about my points raised. I'm not disappointed though, commies do this all the time.

>communists
>ever doing anything

why do anything? just be a card carrying member of the communist party!

dear faggot - go back to redd!t or cuckbook

commies think everybody is American, becasue if they ever travelled they'd probably go to an ex commie country and learn how shit it was

what the fuck kind of ad hom baiting is this?

ah, what the hell.
You're in the fiscally dysfunctional highly regulated EU and you wish you were living in a place with less regulation? Really? Are you not seeing what's happening in US, UK, Russia, or Hongkong? You don't see that at some point Capital always colludes with government and creates a ruling class with levels of corruption on par with the Soviets?

>on par with the Soviets?
>best example of corruption is communism
huh

I just wish to keep commies at bay because I remember what it was like when they were in power.

You speak like you know what's up more than anyone here. Surely, you can back it up with real results?

ever notice that commies never actually answer direct questions... hmmm

>the only other option we have besides capitalism is communism

bravo, bravo.

Are you that socialist irish nigger that keeps popping up on here?

>communist
>lives in a capitalist nation

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> muh innocents
you know high ranking nazis all fled berlin running to the western front to be caught by americans instead of soviets
really wonder why
learn something about commie purges and gulags
you know shit about communism dumb fuck

It's normal. They see all the wealth that could be distributed to themselves and they start drooling.

commies always try to mishmash their ideologies to make it seem less threatening but we see through this bullshit. you can call it whatever you want, you have no real life skills and want to get ahead by manipulating people with ideologies "for the common good"

and yes. if they were as good at an actual skill as they are evading questions and pulling nonsense academic BS, they'd have a nice life and could shut the hell up. but then again, that requires work. a big no no in these circles.

This.

You don't argue with low IQ dunning-kruger fools like that. You are not going to magically take way his entitlement and pretention and change his brain into high IQ.

>I can't understand academic reasoning
>it must be mishmash

>I can see through this bullshit
>My paradigm is the truest possible image of reality
>My cage has been so well constructed, I can't even see it.

>no real life skills
>bean counting is the only life skill that matters

>manipulating people with ideologies "for the common good"
>capitalist propaganda is always moral and honest, being upfront about screwing over everyone and everything


good luck buddy.

There's a big difference between not understanding academic reasoning and realizing it has 0 practical value.

But now I see you're a lost cause. Enjoy your shitty cockroach-tier life.

I hope one day you'll end up in an actual communist/socialist country and get to experience its lovely atmosphere first hand... and just hope it won't be the US or one of the functioning nations you degenerates threaten with your existence.

Oh and one last thing, calling every skill bean counting doesn't make you seem too smart or grounded in reality and yet I hear this from commies all the time.

I'd say get back to work, but I know you have none.

It's not so much that but that complaining the system's fucked can only go so far. There's some power we just don't have, maybe it's mass hypnosis but when it's time to implement solutions it's harder when it's your own livelihood on the line. You've talked about assimetries in information but it doesn't make sense to me why a coop would improve that unless the members agreed to share on the risks as well and it's a problem to find people that want to embark on that for something that doesn't even exist yet.

>calling political ideology "academic reasoning"

Lmao.