Conscription is a bad thing

>conscription is a bad thing

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Who the fuck would fight for modern Italy

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I definitely get their argument why it's fucked up, but it's a good system for Finland

French army was better when it was made of conscripts than now

Make it 3 years :]

Mandatory military service > conscription

Women aren't obligated to any service. How is this good exactly? I'm not saying they have to serve in the military many men don't

sure am glad I avoided it

>women aren't in the military
And that's a good thing

Unnecessary. I was there 8,5 months and even that has some fat that could be taken away.
What's the difference?
The system (conscription) is good. Doesn't mean I would be against having men and women both doing some sort of national service or something. It's definitely one of the big equality issues in Finland.

There are women who are motivated and physically and mentally more capable than a lot of men who serve. Doesn't make much sense to me to not allow them serve if they want to.

it's not bad but it's useless, civil service is more useful for the community

i didnt know there was a difference, can you explain?

>conscription
>You get killed in a war

>mandatory service
>you go through boot camp, get trained and fuck around

It is tho. Military service lasts one year here (used to be 2 years). It's a waste of time.

it is. the only real defene is to own atomic bombs.

>and fuck around
Or get fucked

No, I meant just mess around doing nothing in particular

There isn't one; conscription is the same as the draft whether at peace or at war

Ah yes drop a few women in the middle of some young horny men this wouldn't cause any tension whatsoever

Cutting off part of your dick is indeed bad, though.

LOL, give it a go. Better bring tanks, bring more than you think you need.

You have a sour image of men

Yadda yadda girl power, more motivated than men. Bullshit. From what I saw during my service women are a nuissance. There are no benefits in having women in the military

>women don't have to do military (and ultimately that's a good thing)
>women are a lifetime net negative in terms of financial contribution
>women overwhelmingly vote left-leaning, meaning more welfare, foreigners, etc.
Why can they vote? And not just to "hate" on women, most "men" shouldn't be allowed to vote either. 18 being the age you can vote is insane considering the absolute state of our society/societies.

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>more motivated than men
It's a very low bar when all women are volunteers and a lot of men don't want to be there. It would make more sense to choose people based on their motivation, physical cababilities than their sex alone.

Men are more physically capable than women

Women give birth, something that's absolutely vital. Though if you want to set some requirements on voting, it would again make more sense to give the right or strip it based on individual merits and not by sex alone
Yeah, on average. And? There's women who are more motivated and more capable than some men, exactly why I said it would make more sense to choose based on invidividual merits and not by sex alone. I didn't imagine this would be a difficult or controversial topic.

>i would never join the Army, It's too dangerous

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>Fighting for my homeland? Dude no way!

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thank me for my service

Conscription is fine, if it's only 2-3 months of training and like 1 month of doing duties and chores.
If the chores last for more than that, then it just sucks.

In Greece for example, training lasts for 2 months, and for the rest 7 months all you do is watches, patrols and cleaning toilets.

How?

Conscription and mandatory service imply that you are property of the state. It implies you exist to defend your government, that you serve your government when it should be the other way around in every liberal democracy.

>shoot guns
>throw explosives and smoke grenades
>play a guerilla fighter with nv-goggles in a dark winter forest
>get to attend the 2nd biggest party hosted by the state
>a feather in your cap

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>Conscription and mandatory service imply that you are property of the state. It implies you exist to defend your government, that you serve your government when it should be the other way around in every liberal democracy.

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Good times

Well it's just a more clear example of how we are all government property, conscription or not
>Have fun on a ship
Best times

Conscription is slavery, no way around it.

It works out more for small countries (or scandinavian ones at least) because you have less dumb fucks. I already have to deal with asshats who volunteered to join, I dont want to be around ones that were forced to.