The EU commission seems like a very half-baked idea. You have to find a portfolio for each country and it doesn't matter if the member countries are 10 or 20 or 30, you just have to make up some shit so that everyone can have a job. You still have the parliament (with representatives from the member states relative to population) and the council (with representatives from each government).
The EU commission seems like a very half-baked idea...
Carter Kelly
Easton Scott
I found this always confusing why we have the commission and council in the first place. Why not just have the parliament? Sounds like you just wanted to give more beaurocrats a fat check and pension.
Hunter Garcia
>You have to find a portfolio for each country and it doesn't matter if the member countries are 10 or 20 or 30, you just have to make up some shit so that everyone can have a job
True. But I find no other way to make it work without the member states seething
The Parliament represents the People
The Council represents the Member States
The Commission represents the Union
Oliver Campbell
The commission organized what the council gets to meet for.
The parlament only vetos decision of the council.
The Parlament is the actual useless part in it.
Because it's power was never extended as planned.
Jeremiah Rodriguez
Fml at those virtue signaling libshit titles.
Julian Hill
>protecting our european way of life
>an economy that works for people
>a stronger europe in the world
>equality
>relations and foresight
>values and transparency
>democracy and demography
>jobs
Jesus Christ, it's like participation medals.
Jaxon Flores
Doesn't really convince me that this isn't overly complicated and confusing, effectively just an Arbeitsbeschaffungsmaßnahme for old establishment politicians who were selected or even kicked out of their nation political process.
Just look at Juncker: made his nation a tax haven for Amazon, got envolved in a spy scandal -> gets promoted away into the EU.
Then Ursula: fucked up as a family minister, TOTALLY fucked up as a defence minister. Fired? No, promoted away to the EU.
It's a scam!
Thomas Williams
It's part of the kalergi plan
Alexander Allen
The executive vice presidents are actually pretty powerful now. Like for example Vestager controls a lot of other Commissioners
Sebastian Long
Only see European Green Deal and equality as "libshit" posts.
Well, it sounds good and what the EU should be. an independent European sphere of influence, independent from the USA, China and not dependent on Russia either
Jackson Johnson
There is no "Kalergi Plan"
Charles Evans
VdL is actually being criticized by the libs a lot for the "European way of life" thing
Jaxon Rivera
>Arbeitsbeschaffungsmaßnahme
Someone has to put the things the council wants to do into action.
Someone needs to get the council to meet up.
Someone needs to structure the topics.
Our statesmen work at home and if they want to meet up in the council the call the commission tell their topic and the commission judges over the relevance and says fuck off or ok on that date it will be included.
Remove them and their job will be done by the secreteries of each single countries gov endlessly calling each other and don't get a shit done.
Isaiah Wood
I am saying this system is too complicated. The parliament should organize and vote on these things. But either way doesn't change the fact that the politicians are crony apparatschiks like Ursula, Juncker and AKK
Samuel Bell
You need some kind of government to decide for a direction to take. Every country has one
Jonathan Miller
That's what the EU parliament is for. A council of all European heads of states could structure the topics to meet and decide on.
And that "protection of way of life" position may sound good, but it's just red meant to counter the rising right wing populism and its contents are just liberalism, secularism and equality.
Aiden Gomez
As you say is what was planned.
But having the Parlament with such a power means that we are already a federelized state with a centre legaslative organ above all member states.
This was not accepted by most of the EU leaders. The result is this what is now.
And if you want to kow why and how things get complicated follow decision processes in the EU.
Lucas Gonzalez
>Why not just have the parliament?
Commission: executive
Parliament: legislative
Carter Collins
the people, the members, the union: they are all the same thing.
Hunter Torres
No the Parliament is another thing. Like Germany has the Bundestag but also an executive government
Jordan Evans
They have different interests. Together they balance the EU, just like the US have the House of Representatives, the Senate and the President
Connor Rodriguez
Well, the centre legasslative organ wouldn't be above all member states because it woul decide on EU matters and laws, not national ones. And what's now is just effectively the same as you said, but more concealed.
Jose Richardson
The commission is the best branch of the EU because it is the most technocratic and apolitical. People are there because they've been assigned specific goals with set resources. Lots of commissions are disbanded as soon as they get their job done. The people employed by the commissions don't concern themselves with electoralism.
While I'd be OK with transfering some power from the council (eu states, national elections) to the parliament (eu citizens, european elections), I very much prefer to keep the Commission above electoral politics, party politics, celebrity politicians, rhetoric, etc.
I'd like our country to be more like Belgium where the state can run without government for months straight because the bureaucracy is so fine-tuned and the finnances are so secure.
Grayson Parker
It's now effectivly the leader of the state that decide.
That's the difference. The power is by the Nations not by the EU.
Brody Cooper
fuck the EU, fuck the euro and fuck g*rmany
Bentley Sullivan
>the centre legasslative organ wouldn't be above all member states because it woul decide on EU matters and laws, not national ones
EU law takes precedence over national law. Where national law contradicts european law, european law is enforced.
The reason EU states are OK with this is that they have the power to veto EU laws and that necessarily implies that the states are above the central legislature.
Easton Stewart
Jackson Turner
Carter Barnes
How else do you disguise that 3 countries are running the show?
Josiah Lopez
>The commission is the best branch of the EU because it is the most technocratic and apolitical.
>Headed by a cunt who has a track record of absolutely abysmal political failures throughout her entire political career
I am unimpressed.
Jose Hughes
Well, it's all just an encroaching transformation of Europe into one federal state.
Cameron Ward
>the eu commission is an uncontrollable demonic entity
it does what the parliament and governments of every eu country tell it to do
Lucas Butler
If the local law is better than the one provided by the EU then the local can take precedence. If there’s no law on the topic the EU law is applied provided that it was voted by the parliament of the country in question. If it’s never adopted the EU can launch an infringement process in some cases but if any of the other countries vetos it, it fails. It’s a fucking waste of tax money.
Isaiah Anderson
Are you critisizing my spelling errors?
Fuck it. I live with it.
Hunter Young
>protecting our european way of life
Dominic Richardson
Yes. Liberalism, secularism, equality, feminism, tolerance and the right for divorce and abortions. :^)
Bentley Campbell
Sylvie Goulard from France was very briefly Minister of Armies in Macron/Philippe government (one month). She resigned before being fired like other gov members from her party, Modem, the new political center that never managed to do what Macron did (topple both center right and center left parties).
Modem is still allied with Macron, but they have problems with justice, for possible corruption (fake MEPs assistants)
I may reply later on the main topic.
Jace Wood
This move alone just made the Von der Leyen commission 100% more based
We are off to a great start
Benjamin White
killing unborn babies is based and linkolapilled
Luke Murphy
The people in the council earn around 25k euros a month btw
Literal former commie party aparatchicks or 90s ultranationalists from eastern europe are getting a monthly salary equal to what their coyntrymen earn in 3 or 4 years
Nicholas Ramirez
Jaxon Jenkins
sounds based
Evan Anderson
Aaron Jones
>90s ultranationalists from eastern europe
Who would that be?
And the salary may seem very high, but compare it to private company CEOs and...
Bentley Lee
Robert Allen
Too early to tell, but VdL may be a redpilled mommy
Camden Butler
On salary here the total amount of tax is 55%. A small business which is defined as a company that has less than 1 million of euros of turnover in a given fiscal year and/or less than 50 employees pays just 3% on the income and another 5% on dividends if applicable. Well guess which one I am choosing right now.
Gabriel Clark
The CDU has been saying the exact same thing since the 2000s. They are forced to say this, because of the success of Lega, AfD, Le Pen, Brexit and so on. Don't expect much to come from it. And "dignity and equality for all" is the same socialist, left message that contradicts all inherently right-wing values. Needless to say they don't live that themselves.
Asher Cook
Eastern Europe actually seems to have a good environment for middle class entrepeneuers. Hungary I know. Too bad I can't start one myself.
Nathaniel Gray
The EU literally paid MENA countries to put refugees in concentration camps so who knows
Joseph Foster
>Headed by a cunt who has a track record of absolutely abysmal political failures throughout her entire political career
She's german and pro-french, that's all that matters. She's here to obey Macron (and not Merkel since she is leaving soon). She was chosen because Lagarde was at the ECB so he couldn't push a French person for the commission, and he had to convince Merkel.
Ryder Price
>If the local law is better than the one provided by the EU then the local can take precedence.
"Better" there just means that it is more precise or has more clauses but doesn't contradict the european law.
Confederational, at best. That is when states' overrule the central government.
Jonathan Moore
>"concentration camps"
I actually don't vote fore the AfD, because leaving the EU and now just abandoning the Euro seems retarded. But after the Merkel government's track record, including her own lies on how multi-culti has failed in 2010 and how the CDU needs to cut down all immigration, before not everyone already here is fully integrated in 2003, nothing they say is to be trusted. There's also nothing to be integrated here. They get state subsidized to produce children while on welfare and just have to wait to take over the majority and then the country. 60% of Turks have not finished formal education and are on welfare, 90% of Somalis and 70% of Arabs. Most of the Syrians are illiterate in their own language and so forth.
>I don't care how incompetent or corrupt she is, as long as she is Rothschild-Macron's puppet.
Sounds like a case for "An Economy that Works for People" and "Values and Transparency" :^)
Liam Kelly
Don't put too much weight on the elected politicians. They aren't the ones that write the policies, thankfully.
Camden Jones
Yet they are the ones who get 25k a month. Remind me: For what again then?
Henry Foster
Kek they're basically camps. Our left did the same
Adam Kelly
>liberalism
CHINA SAVE US
Henry Hill
>Camp of the Kebabs
Joshua Russell
>chyna
Isaiah James
do you honestly never throw yourself into front of trains?
Wyatt Watson
It's naive to count on CHYNA. They are illiberal and authoritarian, effective and done a lot for their people. BUT they are still communists, more than ever, and have no real warm feelings for Europe, let alone kinship loyalty. So no based liberator from Baizuo; just good economics and don't get scammed and bought up.