The same people

Poland and amerika arent friends you faggot

true, it's more like a master-slave relationship

more chink means more rich?

We're bigger, more populated, and more corrupt

>same people
Malaysia is 70% Malays and Singapore is 75% Han Chinese.

Its us, Singapore has Islamic crescent star on their flag

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dumb pole. that's the flag of Indonesia you retard. why would buddhist singapore have crescent star on their flag?
the absolute state of polish education

lmao at first I thought you were asking about the US and Poland

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>british borneo

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nice trips. Why isn't Brunei a Malaysian state
both gained independence from the British. both are ethnically Malay

oil

>We're bigger, more populated,

should be an asset more like a disadvantage desu

>and more corrupt

the question is why

you'd think a country governed by the Dutch should be a paragon of honesty

>you'd think a country governed by the Dutch should be a paragon of honesty
that's a very broad interpretation of "governed"

sounds like a bro-tier country

how was Indonesia less 'governed' by the Dutch than Malaysia by the British?

Malay were ruled by the Anglos and the Indonesians by the Dutch. But I think neither of us bothered to impose our culture or language on them.

What's the average internet speed in Malaysia?
Here, I can only buffer 360p youtube video!
WiFi is too damn expensive. $60/month for a mere 30Mbps for fucks sake.

don't know about malaysia, but the dutch didn't really "govern" indonesia. they just left it to local rulers which paid to the dutch government. separate courts, separate laws, etc.

wow, that's fucking expensive indeed, do you live on a remote island?

it would be better if more Indonesians had converted to Christianity I guess

That was at the beginning when the VOC had local sultans and chieftains to govern their respective territory but by the late 19th century most of the archipelago was under direct control of the crown and government.

>it would be better if more Indonesians had converted to Christianity I guess
don't know what difference it would make.
no. even after direct control of the crown, local affairs were mostly left to local rulers, at least until the 1920s. the dutch actually emboldened the strength of islamic courts. thanks for that, meneer.

IN THE FUCKING CENTRAL CITY

>babby's first "turns out ideology doesn't actually matter, it's all the international politics and trade treaties"
Also could've given NK/SK as a way better example

Really, I thought that was just the case of Atjeh since they were more fierce and religious. In that case you were betrayed by your own leaders for accepting the cultuurstelsel.

this. fuck sukarno.

>don't know what difference it would make.

The Dutch would treat you better and you'd feel compelled to work harder.

You could start learning Dutch, adopt their political and judicial system and attract lots of call centres to operate in the Dutch/Belgian market.

>Also could've given NK/SK as a way better example

this is too obvious - two different political and economic systems

but there are no such stark differences between Malaysia and Indonesia, that's why their case is more interesting

All ties between the Netherlands and Indonesia are shut and all the halfblooded diaspora hate their governments guts since their families got expelled.

One was colonized by white people (Anglos)

One was colonized by niggers (Dutch)

shut the fuck up retard polish plumber

I fucking hope that the new capital city is actually going to be good. Based on the seminar from one of the ministers, It's going to have first world-level infrastructure and urban planning with drinkable water, better water and gas system and also good transportation system etc etc since they're going to build everything scratch instead of expanding shitty slums and villages like every single one of Indonesian big cities.

I just want to live in a clean and comfortable city.

doesn't make sense for aceh because aceh was only conquered in the 20th century.
> In that case you were betrayed by your own leaders
yes. fuck them. they're too afraid of losing their positions. good thing most of them are deposed now.
>You could start learning Dutch
how? natives weren't even allowed to speak dutch

>sultan last in line for the agong title
>oil revenues would go to penisula malaysia
>high interest loan from the malayan federation
>brunei revolt

my friend
I'm going to be in Brunei for 2 days in the beginning of October
any tips on how to fill my day?

Why did Dutch abandon their former colonies so easily? South Africa, Indonesia, Sri Lanka, New Amsterdam, all was lost and got anglo'd.

It's quite funny how the Boers who basically speak Dutch as their native language never consider the Netherlands as a potential destination to leave South Africa for when they're expelled or their lives are at stake in their home country. They always go for an English-speaking country for some reason.

>how? natives weren't even allowed to speak dutch

well, so it saved their throats lmaooo

We didn't abandon all or colonies, it's just that all our white colonies were stolen by the British, we still have huge ties with Suriname and Antilles

Our government doesn't allow us to talk about Boers because they consider them racist slave owners of bad Dutch history

>Thinking Indonesia as a whole is same with Malaysia
Malay is just one of our minorities in here, they just had a chance to build their own country (with the help of chinese, indian, and british).
It's basically different.

>this is too obvious - two different political and economic systems
Its neither obvious nor is it because of the economic systems. It's all in the geopolitics and how successful the nation is at brokering international treaties, and basically avoiding getting excommunicated by the rest of the world which was the unfortunate case for NK. It's not that NK doesn't have the resources or an industry to multiply their GDP per capita by at least 3 times, it's the fact that no one's buying anything off of them except for China who're doing it as a dependent puppet, not as an independent trader. The same can be applied to Ukraine, which sits right on top of one of the most fertile lands on Earth and most of the stuff you eat could've very easily been Ukrainian, however, their very unfortunate position of being the cumsocket of two nuclear powers has reduced them to being the laughing stock of Europe. The same for Iran - that nation has the potential to dominate at least a few industries but does so for none, because it is getting actively excluded from international trade. A similar nation next to them under the same class of religion and basically a similar government but much more unfortunate and infertile land still has 10 times their GDP per capita purely because the USA is actively defending their position in global trade.

Ideology has zero to do with anything.

you make it sound like the communist economy in NK has nothing to do with their poverty, it's all about being sanctioned by the US

lol I paid like $20 per mo fo 30Mbps and it's unlimited

you tell us

sad

at least the Dutch built roads and railways for you.

Well half those colonies were lost because Napoleon curbstomped our nation for a while and the eternal Anglo became a hegemonic power after his defeat. So, the Anglos decided to keep half our colonies for their "balance of powers" game. Rather than the UK, our industrialization happened late and the nation was completely broke by the early 19th century. But regarding the Boers, there were still strong ties with them untill the midway the 20th century, we sent them young men as volunteers to fight the anglos and had many streets and buildings named after the Boer leaders, like De La Rey or Kruger. However, things soured from the 1960s when leftists faggots were turning the country staunchly anti south african and participated in boycotting them due to the Apartheid they had. Luckily the leftists boomers are dying out and right wing zoomers like South Africans as distant cousins but the reverse can't be said.

>Javanese Catholic
based. This is why Central Java, Magelang, and Yogyakarta are top comf

all those regions are majority muslim

Not in the city ;^)

yes, in the city too.

t. jawa barat ahmad

You know nothing dumbfuck
t. born and live in Semarang

reverse the colors on your flag and you'd pay $10 for 100 Mb/s (unlimited obviously)

bro just look up actual statistics. those are all majority muslim.
yogyakarta? 80% muslim
magelang? 80% muslim

Home cable fiber?
Some jew premium apartment like the one that I'm living in right now only provide their ISP business partner's overpriced exclusive shitty packages: 10Mbps for 30$/month and 30Mbps for $60/month. There isn't even 50 and 100 for fucks sake.
I'm forced to use mobile data Telkomshit with quota now. The network quality for the last 2 days has been disastrous.

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I meant in the sense that I thought Atjeh was the only region in the Dutch Indies that had a strong self rule as compared to the others, but I suppose that's incorrect.

That's nice. How's the internet in rural area? Tbh, in here it's unironically better than in cities
stop living in shithole city

in my opinion, aceh was just conquered last. although I guess what you said is also true.

>How's the internet in rural area?

most of villages have fiber nowadays but if they don't, there's 4G mobile network pretty much everywhere

For work?

tourism

Unlimited 4G? 4G is very expensive compared to fiber and even POTS line

maybe communism has some internal effect on the efficiency of a few high-end industries, but there's zero affect of communism over the inability of NK to export its raw materials and basic produce to the rest of the world which is the reason why they're the shithole they're right now while the literal same people who shared the exact same history for more than 1000 years and are located exactly on the same spot turn out richer than most of Europe

Are you illiterate?
I said living in a premium apartment (central jakarta), but they only provide me shit deals that I'm forced to use mobile 4G now.

>jakarta
shithole

>Unlimited 4G?

There's usually a cap for full speed

play.pl/oferta/przejdz-do-play/play-internet/?main_menu=Oferta&submenu1=Internet&submenu2=Abonament

like here - you have 100/200/300 GB with full speed and when you exceed the limit - the speed is lowered (but it's still usable and 'no limit' then)

1 USD = 4 PLN so just divide the price by 4

download speed for 4G is usually 20-30 Mb/s

It's the least shithole city.

>NK to export its raw materials

what could they export, coal? they don't have many resources

still a shithole and it's sinking
that's fucking cheap

NK is the mountainous region of Korea and pretty much everything around the peninsula, which means that it is highly-abundant in metals in contrast of neighboring areas
However the entire raw materials sector of NK got blacklisted by the US and therefor the world, so they only buyer remains China and obviously at a huge discount.

this picture enough to make any Malaysian feel autistic

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>that's fucking cheap

Eastern Europe has very cheap internet. It compensates our horribly low wages ($1000/month average net wage here)

Not really knowledgeable about it but on the top of my head
>river cruise
There's a river cruise on the capital to tour Kg. Ayer and/or cruise to see proboscis monki
>eco-park
An eco-corridor park besides the SOAS mosque to walk around (kek)
>ulu temburong park
There's some packaged tour to see some jungle

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Far better than $300/month average net wage here.
FUCK HOW CAN I LEAVE THIS FUCKING SHITHOLE!? I HATE THIS COUNTRY SO FUCKING MUCH! I HAVE GOOD EDUCATION! I NEED A WAY OUT!

thnx so much

>I HAVE GOOD EDUCATION!

so you should make decent money in Indonesia, educated people are scarce there

being top 5 in your shithole high school doesn't mean you have "good education", tono.

Do Malaysian really?

I graduated from a top university in a first world country.

people in Miri and Limbang prefer to live under Brunei rules

Affirmative action don't count

this