In Brazil, for a lot of factors (land price, familly, status) we have a growing "market" in verticalized favelas, buildings between 3 to even 20 floors made with no planning forming communities within communities, its either be starting as a normal favela house that growned with time to settle more people or aready build to be a tall building by a richer favela dweller, they are very cheapier to build because they need no license or anything a normal building need to be build, they just go there and do it.
Does this happens elsewhere? I have never heard of such a thing outside Br
How often do these favelas collapse and kill everyone inside?
Jordan Wilson
I don't know, sometimes then it rains during the winter, mostly because some of them are made without or with very weak foundations or next to mud barriers
Then i search about vertical favelas/slums i only receieve pics of those, abandonated buildings what were seetleed and became favelas, but i want to know about actuall verticalized favelas, those to were build to be that they are now
Yes, but since kowloon was demolished i am not aware of this kind of construction anywhere in hong kong or in the world, even colombian favelas that are very similar to brazilian ones seems to keep a limit at the 2 floors high
Thanks user! They seems pretty organized, i could't tell they are made without planning. Do you guys have entire neighboorhoods with those where the gypsies live or they just pop up somewhere like those ones? Nice francoblocks in the back too
>Do you guys have entire neighboorhoods with those where the gypsies live or they just pop up somewhere like those ones? Yes, every city has at least one similar neighborhood like that usually in the outskirts, which is good since the farthest they are, the better for society. Sometimes there are outside the city improvised-built slums like pic-related near the highways where many Romanian/Bulgarian gypsies live.
Not really what i was looking for, but thanks for the contribuition amerinon. For a long time i believed the term "blackblock" came from american habitations for black people.
I didn't knew spain had so many gypsies nowadays, thanks Nvm, The good old brick tactic, gypsies being smater than americans in their cardboard homes
Eli Myers
Brazil, please recreate this
Juan Edwards
If our economy don't get any better i am pretty sure will be basically sucada kowloon in 10 years
Not so much. The biggest problem we have is the government giving away low cost apartments to hood rats. In the end, they don't pay for maintenance and the buildings go to shit.
Still better than actual favelas, though.
Landon Ross
these are the types of places where you get raped in the stairwell and drug deals occur in the hallway and the police are there every night.
Also, this specific design, which was very common, ended up allowing for more crime because of how secluded the interiors of these developments are, the tree shaded paths, etc.
the problem is you paint a wall and the next day it's all tagged I've heard a lot of people who aren't de facto favelados but live around them saying they wished to at least plaster that shit but then what's the point if in the next day it'll get all fucked up again
Josiah Howard
Nyc haven’t been dangerous since the 1990s. It was Detroit-tier in the 1970s-80s, though.
Nicholas Moore
Sounds hardcore, my sister lived alone in a Cohab build during the junta and the biggest problem there were the drunk hobos living in one of the buildings parking lot and how they used to trown bottles at the walls during the night
Brayden Diaz
I've lived there since the 90s, it has gotten a lot more dangerous in the 2010s. Been mugged, held up, randomly assaulted, you name it. Basically third world tier.
Adam Morris
I suggest you visit Detroit or even better, an actual violent third world country like Mexico or Brazil. Then you’ll see what’s actually dangerous. New York just has a large homeless population, that’s all.
Dominic Mitchell
I visited Medellin, I posted a picture I've been to 35 countries, you're just a moron who probably hasn't even visited NYC. Go ahead and walk around the Bronx at night, go into the Marcy Houses in Brooklyn, Amsterdam houses in New York, whatever... report back what happens to you.
Levi Davis
The biggest problem in Cohabs is graffity and loud uneducated people and hobos, but at least most of the ones made after 1985 are still in good shape, never lived in one for real but they are far from the violent hellholes like verticalized favelas or the things the american said, there are at least 6 Cohab blocks from the Junta era in my town, 2 of them are completelly unhabitated and from the 4 that remains only 2 seems livable
Evan Hall
I happen to just have returned from a trip to NYC. Felt very safe during my time there.
Robert Scott
Try living there, had a knife held to me on the subway, been punched in the face on 5th Ave, mugged in hipster heaven, you name it.
Half of the time I wouldn't report anything because like... okay some crazy drug addict punched me, not gonna die.
I dunno why you'd apologize for NYC's violent culture. Try visiting Tokyo, where at 3am you can dance the streets.
Caleb Hernandez
well where did you go like this guy says theres some absolute shitholes but if you are "visiting" you would 100% never have a reason to go there. In fact most people who live in nyc never go to these neighborhoods their entire lives
Sebastian Perry
can confirm. I spent most of my life only ever driving through the Bronx on the highway or going to Yankee Stadium.
But just because crime is segregated doesn't mean it's not a problem. There's also public transport which also acts to migrate crime. One week in and he still should have noticed things that should make any aware person sketched out. Or he got lucky, or visited only the richest and most isolated parts of NYC
Charles Kelly
So what happens when the government visits with police and tells them to demolish it because it was built illegally?
Jace Carter
Lol this sounds like a cyberpunk setting
Jacob Martin
yea, if you are on public transport in the hood or past a certain hour. where in the bronx would you regularly drive by, i live in little italy. Its amazing how much nicer it is here than other part of the bronx, and most ppl would think this neighborhood is sketchy after like midnight.
Ayden Flores
If they do that their popularity hits the ground and they don't win the next ellection. They only do it then the land was stolen from some rich speculation lobbyst, so they send the cops, they move the people out, the people come back, rich kids from oposition parties comes, start some riots and after at least one year without any progress the governament gives up in trying to expell the people and tryes to fine them for the land and the building. A fine they will never pay because they are dirty ass poor. T. Have seen it happening dozens of times
Dylan Price
okay well that's a pocket, one of only a few that remain. funny how the whole borough used to be white... my mom is from Washington Heights and my grandmother from Harlem, both of those turned into shitholes, but now are a bit better than they were in the 80s and stuff.
anyway, just going over the Triborough or Throgs Neck to get on the Cross Bronx or whatever to get to Westchester... lol, not much reason to explore the neighborhoods of the Bronx, except for the Zoo or I guess there's Fordham too
Camden Gomez
Even the Bronx has fewer murders, rapes, and property crimes than the US overall
the point is there are parts of the bronx that have way higher than the USA average. its places like riverdale, pelham that keep the bronx statistics down.
Eli Lopez
Never heard of this in the US. Doubt it would be tolerated by the civil authorities.
Actually blacks in America are probably more likely to live in proper domiciles built out of brick or concrete (single-family homes or apartments). It's wh*toids who live in wooden crapshacks that can blow away with a strong breeze.
Robert Lewis
The Bronx is like 10% white. Mathematically impossible
Caleb Barnes
While the projects look better than trailer houses. Areas with trailer houses are much safer desu.
Adrian Scott
Do houses in the "everybody hates chris" series are realistic for the average black american?
Lol i was looking for this one for another post but only found this Imagine living there
>pic did the national news not report on this murder at all? when some kid (not even the right target) was murdered by 12 people with machetes mostly guys from the dominican republic
Where I live the police keeps expulsing them, and no one cares
Lucas Hill
if it was populated with slightly more normal people, i would like to live there.
Gabriel Powell
Brazil has no earthquakes thougg
Colton Ross
Yeah, I know
Zachary Howard
how bad is a favela?
what goes on there that wouldnt in the ghetto in usa
Zachary Price
Se filmou arlim?
We have some geological faults that create small earthquakes, an tall really poor constructed building can be affected and collapse some days after it because of the dammage
Austin Hall
Yes, they do. But they are a recent development pushed by the lefties when they were in power. There's a lot of political interest in making these favelas grow as it allows politicians to extend their power without the need to be in government.
Never lived in one, but some favelas are completelly narco controlled territory, policee don't patrol inside them, they only enter it during drug war operationsm with favela people are aready used to, see: youtube.com/watch?v=mTqdZVBtR0A I don't know if the same happens in an american ghetto, but some narco gangs actually do police job inside their territory, they have their own justice sistem there they have death penalty for rapists and punitions for people robbing inside their community. Not supporting them, they ony do it because they don't want the favela to turn in a total chaos, they generate a lot of violence themselves.
Bentley Diaz
Are you retarded just compare the picture. The projects and suburban ghettos look much better. The projects especially the new ones also look better than most european commie blocks desu
Mason Hughes
Thanks Argentina bro, they look just like brazilian ones, if wans't for the spanish writings i could be sure it was in Brazil maybe i should have made a better research then i was hoping to found it in colombia or in other south american countries. >There's a lot of political interest in making these favelas grow as it allows politicians to extend their power without the need to be in government. We are really brother nations, didn't we? The difference is that some left parties actually do housing policies for poor people there, but they denounce or boycott it then the same is done by oposition parties, they don't care about poor people, they just want their votes
Charles Moore
aside from drug dealing and consumption, nothing. steal from someone in there and you're dead. mess with someone else's wife and you're dead. robberies and shit like that is out of it. I don't live in RJ though, they usually have faction wars which I don't see happening here.
Kevin Thompson
that is way fucking worse than anything here. gangs "control" neighborhoods here but not really, and nobody is getting killed over some petty shit
petty shit is 80% of the crimes in São Paulo and the reason that number is so high is impunity. our prisons are so crowded if someone steals a smartphone at best he's gonna wait 5 hours or so in the police station then get released after a beating those who end up there even need to take turns to sleep
Around here cops don't even take them to the police station anymore, they just take him to an alley to beat the shit out of him, in some cases then they commit worse crimes or were been caught more than 4 times doing it the same area they take them to some wood zone near an favela and shoot him, everyone is going to think it was the narcos because they usually do that.
Nicholas Bailey
whats the punishment for killing someone?
Connor Jackson
Not a huge fan of privatization but it might help you since you can't seem to house all your criminals. Brazil could use some private prisons. ones just for petty criminals and ones just for hardcore ones too. Your government run ones also need to be remodeled and expanded.
Thomas Sanders
12 to 30 years if it has vestiges of cruelty but they end up being released earlier due to good behaviour or whatever
Isaac Lewis
6 to 20 years for common homicide 12 to 30 years for qualified homicide 1 to 3 years for manslaughter in the case of manslaughter the prision time can be extended if you didn't helped the victim, if the victim had less than 14 years or if you was under the effects of drugs/alcohool. In case of all others above the prision time can be extended if the accused tryed to scape, leave the national borders, did any kind of cosmetic surgery to evade arrest, etc. All above can be extended if you were aready arrested for killing someone before. it depends on the judge too.
Joseph White
No, we have very strict rules about it. You can extent your house without permit up to 2 meters deep, up to 3 meters tall. The rest needs permits, with drawings and calculations.
Also, if you want to build a house, the city needs to have that place assigned for housing, and that particular type of housing too. So you can't just buy some old industrial compound, tear it down and make a house.
Brandon Miller
Yes, gypsies tend to all live in an apartment block but they're atleast finished
Grayson Morgan
it sounds good in theory but down here it always end in over-invoice/overcharging by whatever politician in charge and that contract usually ends up in the hands of those who bribes higher
Juan Watson
I've lived in NYC my entire life, and I've never even been robbed. And no, I do not live in some kind of super safe Jewish only neighborhood. I've lived in Jamaica Queens, Kingsbridge in The Bronx, Harlem, and now in Tribeca
Evan Reyes
We have construction laws too, but favelas are mostly lawless zones, the one times the governament tries to put the thing in order it happens in small favelas and it ends like this user described: This, plus Brazil is completelly retarded then doing privatizations, e just concede it to an entire company and let them rule the monopoly, they would become more powerfull than the governament and start dealing with arrests for proffit. Like we didn't aready had enough companies controling large monopolies and rulling over our lifes
Chase Allen
>e just concede it to an entire company >e lol i am dumb
John Ramirez
Most Cohabs from the military regime look like pic related now. This or they are completelly encicled with favelas, not aware about any around here that didn't
i thought you had usa-tier of prison time considering the amount of crime you have
Henry Fisher
BR anons, why don't your cops/army just go and kill these people and demolish the dumps they live in? Its not like any other country is gonna care apart from a few whiny lefties, look at Duterte. Surely these people are just a massive net negative on your economy? How are you even meant to try and integrate or educate these people, or fix the situation, it just seems like a lost cause.
Jackson Cooper
Brazilian war on drugs is just for show, they move the army in, move the army out, and nothing is done. In 2010 we had one of the most known drug war operation, the Retaken of Rocinha. Bope, Rio's State police, the brazilian army, the navy fuzilliers, Special forces, Civil and even Feds, every branch possible was there. In the end everyone was celebrating "we did it, we liberated the favela". Nothing was been done about the favela, nothing was been done about the narcos too, the thing many people aways forget, despite the fact it was live on television, it that most of the narcos scaped that day, they scaped and police knew there they were and were they were going, but they let them scape. Why? Because the ones commanding it ordered it, they wanted them to scape so they could fight it again. It was never about the people, favelas or anything, it's about money and propaganda.
After occupying Alemão in 2010 for some months the army simply leave, and the narcos came back and dominated it again in 2014 they did another operation, many in 2014 because of the world cup, more and more every year. Then people talk about the 2010's operation in alemão they forget that the army had aready occupied alemão in 2007 (and they only did it because of the 2007's Pan american games), and every single time then let them scape, and every single time they come back to take it again. it's an joke, an huge lie.
Austin Watson
But why? Wouldn't it be better political capital to actually show you're fixing the problem? Then you can shill BR's rising economy or some bullshit instead. Does the average BR not care about results? Do no BR politicians actually care about their country?
Leo Bennett
>Do no BR politicians actually care about their country? Nah, they only care about their salaries, which they themselves vote to get a raise, then buy some land and raise cattle to export
That's sad man. I'm surprised noone has done anything about it, but I guess the lure of money sways them.
Luke Clark
Drug war operations looks cool for people watching it on it, many people shill for it and don't realise that's really happening. The brazilian governament don't care about people in general, the governament form their own elite focused in feeding lobbysts and raising their own priviledges, Then Temer's governament was near it's end they passed an raise to all governament employees just because, while nothing is being invested in actually helping the people with housing, education, healthcare or anything. I forget to say that in Brazil voting is mandatory, in the end everyone will have to vote for someone, so you just have to look like you are actually helping people out and you win, in favelas most people are really uneducated and fall for any trick or promise, outside of it people fall for the drug war lie or media bullshit in general. Nothing will ever be done. There are actually favelas that are fully occupied and have their own police branch for dealing with it "polícia pacificadora" or pacification police, they just build some police stations in the favela, the governament does nothing of that an governament is suposed to do. And pacification police proved to be worse than narcos then dealing with crime inside the favela, so that the actuall point in them being there?
That guy used the unfinished viaduct pillar as support for his house, lmao based
